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Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2008, 08:34:23 PM »
What have people been using for levels on the deck?  Anyone seeing any issues like with the R09 and having to run the "unity setting of 8"?

I have run mine once, but I had wind issues which makes it a poor test :(


http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100541.msg1400415.html#msg1400415

Hope that helps  ;)


And please keep in mind that my test was only to see what R-09HR level approximated the level 8 setting of the R-09. I did not measure anything more specific to determine "unity gain" or anything like that.

I have kept that in mind, and ran my 1 show based on your results... but with the wind noise, it was a bad run :(

I hope to sneak into a club show this week to test it out

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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2008, 08:45:23 PM »
What have people been using for levels on the deck?  Anyone seeing any issues like with the R09 and having to run the "unity setting of 8"?

I have run mine once, but I had wind issues which makes it a poor test :(


http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100541.msg1400415.html#msg1400415

Hope that helps  ;)


And please keep in mind that my test was only to see what R-09HR level approximated the level 8 setting of the R-09. I did not measure anything more specific to determine "unity gain" or anything like that.

I have kept that in mind, and ran my 1 show based on your results... but with the wind noise, it was a bad run :(

I hope to sneak into a club show this week to test it out

My R09HR will be around in two days :realhappy:
I'll run  a few tests myself.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2008, 09:53:21 PM »
What have people been using for levels on the deck?  Anyone seeing any issues like with the R09 and having to run the "unity setting of 8"?

I have run mine once, but I had wind issues which makes it a poor test :(


http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100541.msg1400415.html#msg1400415

Hope that helps  ;)


And please keep in mind that my test was only to see what R-09HR level approximated the level 8 setting of the R-09. I did not measure anything more specific to determine "unity gain" or anything like that.

I have kept that in mind, and ran my 1 show based on your results... but with the wind noise, it was a bad run :(

I hope to sneak into a club show this week to test it out

Bummer on the wind noise :( I just want to make sure R-09HR owners don't use my level 35 setting as absolute truth, since my test was just to approximate the R-09 @ 8 gain. It's at least a good starting point, though! :)

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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2008, 11:15:58 PM »
Bummer on the wind noise :( I just want to make sure R-09HR owners don't use my level 35 setting as absolute truth, since my test was just to approximate the R-09 @ 8 gain. It's at least a good starting point, though! :)

Yea, the wind did suck... no forecast for wind, and none in the lot... 2 min before show time, out of no where, 10-15 mph winds, it sucked!   Windscreens already in the car :(

And I know it, 34-35 on the volume, was a starting point, but I was OK with that!

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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2008, 09:24:34 AM »
My R09HR arrived last night :realhappy:
Way more solid than the R-09 ;). I'll give it a try tonight.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2008, 04:27:20 PM »
I'll be running mine tonight, too.  :)

A couple of obvious differences between the R-09 and the R-09HR.
The HR is about a half inch longer than the R-09.
The HR's larger screen is much easier on "old-people" eyes. 
I'm not sure I care for the HR's new battery location/door.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2008, 05:40:14 PM »
can anyone explain to this ludite why the HR has a 'Limiter/AGC' manual switch on the back, and on the 'Menu > Input Set Up > Limter/AGC' as well ? Is the manual to overide in the field, on the fly, or what?

Can't figure this.

And I keep getting too much bass on my recordings too.

Set BB at 95 which seems to please most folk, but think I must set over 100 for some of these pub bands I've been taping maybe, as their volume levels are pretty thunderous !

Any help appreciated (as ever).
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2008, 05:59:59 PM »
can anyone explain to this ludite why the HR has a 'Limiter/AGC' manual switch on the back, and on the 'Menu > Input Set Up > Limter/AGC' as well ? Is the manual to overide in the field, on the fly, or what?

Can't figure this.

And I keep getting too much bass on my recordings too.

Set BB at 95 which seems to please most folk, but think I must set over 100 for some of these pub bands I've been taping maybe, as their volume levels are pretty thunderous !

Any help appreciated (as ever).

The R-09 has only the AGC switch on the back. My conclusion: now you have the Limiter feature ( besides AGC) so you can choose in advance which feature you might need in a particular ocasion and use the back switch if necessary to turn it on or off. But trust me: you don´t want these features to tape live music. It's not a good idea. ;)
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2008, 06:09:22 PM »
can anyone explain to this ludite why the HR has a 'Limiter/AGC' manual switch on the back, and on the 'Menu > Input Set Up > Limter/AGC' as well ? Is the manual to overide in the field, on the fly, or what?

Can't figure this.

And I keep getting too much bass on my recordings too.

Set BB at 95 which seems to please most folk, but think I must set over 100 for some of these pub bands I've been taping maybe, as their volume levels are pretty thunderous !

Any help appreciated (as ever).

The R-09 has only the AGC switch on the back. My conclusion: now you have the Limiter feature ( besides AGC) so you can choose in advance which feature you might need in a particular ocasion and use the back switch if necessary to turn it on or off. But trust me: you don´t want these features to tape live music. It's not a good idea. ;)

The internal setting (not the switch on the back) only gives you two options - LIMITER / AGC.  One or the other.    ???

And what about the "Low Cut Frequency"?   How should I have that set?  100?  200?  Or 400?
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2008, 06:20:41 PM »
so which setting should I use for live music, I'm confused.

Presently, my rig is set thus :

Manual (on back) switch set to 'Off' Menu option is set to 'Limiter' - the options being either 'Limiter or AGC' which one should the internal menu option be set to for live music ?

I'm figuring that I got the back set right.

AS for the low cut freq, then yep, wonder what best setting is for that. Recorded 6 shows now at 200, is that the best for loud club gigs ?
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2008, 07:06:04 PM »
Okay . . . so long as the "low freq." switch on the back is set to "off," you don't have to worry about the internal settings.
Same goes for the "limiter/agc" setting. 
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2008, 07:24:55 PM »
Okay . . . so long as the "low freq." switch on the back is set to "off," you don't have to worry about the internal settings.
Same goes for the "limiter/agc" setting. 


Yes, absolutely.
Good luck tonight. That will be my first time with the R09HR too.  ;)
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2008, 10:49:25 PM »
Just checking in.

I'm waiting to hear what the (mic in) noise level on this thing is.  Is it any quieter than the R09.  Oh yeah, I need to know the voltage and source resistor on plug-in-power too.

My application is a superstealth rig running mics (eg., Sennheiser KE4) directly from plug-in-power.

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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 02:33:26 PM »
My first recording with the R09HR, last night.
Crappy band, terrible location, awfull house sound ( I hate this particular sound man, he obviously despises music  >:D). I love the results.
No, the R09HR is not a miracle recorder. But that was the best recording of a bad sound performance ever :yack: I am really impressed with the R09HR warmth and above all things, how it handles the bass. My first impression ( when performing a side by side comparison with the R-09) was that the R09HR had more bass. Period. Well, it's more than that. The new machine has a more pronounced AND controlled bass. Round sounding and not at all big and rumble. Last night I used both my cards (HLSC-1)
and omnis (HLSO-micro). Both gave me a glorious crappy band, terrible location, awfull house sound
recording.
BTW, it was mics>bb>R09HR. No ST-9100 this time. It was a test for the R09HR alone, of course.
I'm looking forward for a good band, great location and great house sound show ( next Saturday I think).
I´m happy  ;D
Mics..........................SP-CMC-8, HLSC-1 and HLSO-MICRO
BB and Preamps........MM Micro bb / MM Custom Elite bb / Church 9100
                              
Recorders...................Tascam DR-100MKIII, Marantz PMD 620 MKII, Edirol R-09

 

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