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Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Updated 8-01-2008
« on: September 13, 2006, 07:37:38 PM »
Please do not ask questions about how to use the R-09 or other types of R-09 commentary in this thread. Please use this thread to provide FAQ answers, new FAQ questions, or FAQ suggestions and I will add all to this first message.  Thanks!

Need answer to question 19 -- Please help! Thanks!  ;D


Pre-FAQ Items:
Latest firmware -- 1.31 is the latest firmware. Be sure you upgrade to this version before asking questions about why something isn't working. download here 

FAQ
1) Do 4gb SD cards work? Yes. Users report the following Transcend 4gb SD card from Newegg works well (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820163159).
The SDHC cards are now on the market and cost the same as the above card, so it makes better sense to get the SDHC 4gb.  Make sure you are using the latest firmware for the R-09 (see pre-faq for latest firmware).

1A) Do 8gb SDHC cards work? -- YES!! 8gb SDHC cards seem to now work thanks to firmware 1.30!!

1B) Do 16gb and 32gb SDHC cards work? -- YES!! Both work thanks to firmware 1.31!!

1C) Invalid header fix: Some users have gotten invalid headers on the 2gb+ sound files (SOME), here is a fix http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=71825.0

2) Does it have a digital input?  No.

3) Does it have a digital output? Yes. Digital out is an optical 1/8" jack  (shared with the analog/headphone out).  The digital/analog out is active during recording when enabled via a menu.

4) What is the quality of the A->D?  Comparison threads to participate in evaulating http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=70838.0 and this continuation http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=70847.0

5) Does Roland plan on making "official" support for 4gb SD cards?  Yes and they have as of 1.10 firmware!

6) Is there a mic input jack problem?  Some users are saying they have their mic input jacks break after just a couple of uses.  Not sure yet if there was just an initial batch issue as it seems these units were mostly purchased in the June-July 2006.  Thread on it is here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=71160.0.

GuySonic has done a further analysis of the input jack problem and seems to have determined the source of the problem and a way to fix it (if you are handy with a sodering gun): http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=71160.msg963038#msg963038

7) What's the quality of the mic input? See http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm for some noise graphs.  Thanks udovdh!

8 ) What's the quality of the line level input?  See http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm for some noise graphs.  Thanks udovdh!

9) Should I record using line-in or mic in? See question 11 response.

10) Should I buy the R-09 or the Microtrack?  Well, since this is a FAQ for the R-09 you can say that we are a little biased.  However, while the microtrack with the latest firmeware seems to have resolved the major issues, users still report the microtrack to have some issues.  Therefore, unless you must have a digital input, recommend the R-09 over the Microtrack.

11) What sort of noise is generated by the R-09? Check this thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=69131.0

12) What line-in level is optimal? According to messages, such as this one, level setting 8: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68518.msg947298#msg947298
This level setting is up for re-discussion http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,91851.0/all.html


13) Do you have any recommended technical/taper oriented reviews to read?  Yes. Try this one:  http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm

14) What bit rate recordings are supported? 16 and 24 bit

15) What sampling rate recordings are supported? 44.1 and 48.

16) What are the power requirements? Two AA batteries. Runs ~7 hours on 2500mah NIMH batteries. Regular Duracells Vs. 2 kinds of 2700 mAh NiMH comparison -- http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=72305.0

17) Phantom power? No. It does have an option to provide plug power at 3.3v volts which is enough to run many mics such as the AT-853. This power is not enough for very loud sound levels with AT-853.  3.3v is what is stated in the manual, but Nuetrino & SunWizard both measured the mic powering at 2.49v.  Not certain if this varies depending on the battery type used.

18) What configuration are the internal microphones? Omni directional mics. The internal mics are 120 degress from each other. This can be referenced here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68518.msg939366#msg939366
Stereo separation & imaging of the internal mics can be greatly improved with a simple folding Jecklin-like baffle http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=70134.msg939775#msg939775

19) What is the quality of recordings using the internal microphones? Need help from the techys

20) Are there any internal pictures of the R-09?  Yes.  Right here thanks to neutrino http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=65175.msg906758#msg906758

21) Can you fast forward & rewind with sound? Yes. http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=70756.0

22) What's a good price for the R-09? $339 http://www.bpmmusic.com/ with free shipping. However, email them for a quote or call them and buy it on the phone. It's not listed on their web page.

23) Why get the R-09 over a MD/HIMD recorder? Discussion in this thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=71130.0

24) What can I do about the BIG RED recording light?  Big red light now can be turned off in the power save settings as of firmware 1.20!

25) Can the display brightness be adjusted? Display brightness can be adjusted from bright to dim & will return to the dimmest setting (but not completely off) after a specified time via menu setting.  It is not especially dim in a dark room (where darker or off would be nice), nor is the bright setting very readable in direct sunlight (needs shading to view).

26) Any case alternatives to the Edirol? BodyGlove cellphone case fits well and is much less expensive than the Edirol case.  Body Glove neoprene mesh Cell Suit case recomended by Eskin HERE
Modifications to the case for side button, hold & headphone jack access http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68518.msg939736#msg939736

27) 1.10 Firmware Questions -- 1.20 now released. As of the 1.10 firmware, unit will create seamless splits in the recording file at the 2gb point of a recording. If you don't want this split, do not use 1.10 or higher firmware and stay at 1.03.  Additionally the firmware 1.10 or higher enables SDHC support and many other changes.  Full discussion here

28) 1.20 Firmware Questions  -- Discussion thread here

29) Recording Times -- http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/images/oreilly/digitalmedia/2006/08/09-record-time.jpg

30) What size are the inputs? -- All inputs are 1/8 size - mic-in, line-in, and headphone/digital-out

31) 1.30 Firmware Questions -- Discussion thread
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=90656.0

32) 1.31 Firmware Questions -- Adds support for 16 and 32gb SDHC cards.  Discussion thread
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105007.0.html

33) What is a R09HR? -- Upgraded R09 from Edirol, came out about 2 months ago.  Variety of pluses and minuses to it versus the older R09. More info that you could possibly ever want http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105893.0.html
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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Started. Please help to contribute!
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2006, 08:02:57 PM »
FWIW, "Some users report that it gives the V3 a run for its money" doesn't belong in a FAQ. This should be reported facts, not a very small percentage of owners' opinion.
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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Started. Please help to contribute!
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 08:05:02 PM »
FWIW, "Some users report that it gives the V3 a run for its money" doesn't belong in a FAQ. This should be reported facts, not a very small percentage of owners' opinion.

I read in a thread comparing them that users were reporting it was either indistinguishable or better.  Would it better to just reference the thread here?

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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Started. Please help to contribute!
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2006, 08:23:21 PM »
FWIW, "Some users report that it gives the V3 a run for its money" doesn't belong in a FAQ. This should be reported facts, not a very small percentage of owners' opinion.

I read in a thread comparing them that users were reporting it was either indistinguishable or better.  Would it better to just reference the thread here?

How about both? The summary opinion, and the thread link for the blind test.

I know it's hard for some to believe that if you don't spend $1,000's on equipment that you can't get great results, but SOMETIMES, it's true :D
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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Started. Please help to contribute!
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2006, 08:25:02 PM »
FWIW, "Some users report that it gives the V3 a run for its money" doesn't belong in a FAQ. This should be reported facts, not a very small percentage of owners' opinion.

I read in a thread comparing them that users were reporting it was either indistinguishable or better.  Would it better to just reference the thread here?

How about both? The summary opinion, and the thread link for the blind test.



I know it's hard for some to believe that if you don't spend $1,000's on equipment that you can't get great results, but SOMETIMES, it's true :D

Agreed.  Done.

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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2006, 09:00:48 PM »
I would still like the definitive word on the gain levels though. Has anyone contacted Roland about this?
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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2006, 10:16:23 PM »
I would still like the definitive word on the gain levels though. Has anyone contacted Roland about this?

Please keep this sort of question out of this thread as it is off-topic :).
Once you get the answer please let me know and I will add it to the FAQ.

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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2006, 05:50:57 AM »
You should also have

What is the quality of recordings using the internal microphones.

What configuration are the internal microphones

- What's this knob do?

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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2006, 09:12:27 AM »
You should also have

What is the quality of recordings using the internal microphones.

What configuration are the internal microphones



Sounds great. Do you have answers? :d

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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2006, 03:27:22 PM »
Big +T for a worthwhile project!

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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2006, 03:32:06 PM »
What configuration are the internal microphones

The internal mics are 120 degress from each other. This can be referenced in an image about half way down the page at the link below. Thanks to Gutbucket for capturing that one.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68518.195

It would also nice to reference a file size table similar to this one... http://24bit.turtleside.com/pcm.wav.file.sizes.pdf

Also, some internal pictures I took which may be of some use can be found in this thread.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=65175.255

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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2006, 06:00:43 PM »
What configuration are the internal microphones

The internal mics are 120 degress from each other. This can be referenced in an image about half way down the page at the link below. Thanks to Gutbucket for capturing that one.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68518.195

It would also nice to reference a file size table similar to this one... http://24bit.turtleside.com/pcm.wav.file.sizes.pdf

Also, some internal pictures I took which may be of some use can be found in this thread.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=65175.255



Thanks! Added to the FAQ! :)

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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2006, 09:43:26 PM »
17. Phantom power, no.  It does have an option to provide plug power at 3.3v volts which is enough to run many mics such as the AT-853. This power is not enough for very loud sound levels with AT-853.

Maybe add to #16, How long will it record?  Around 7 hours on a pair of 2500 mah NiMh rechargable batteries.
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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2006, 10:25:45 PM »
17. Phantom power, no.  It does have an option to provide plug power at 3.3v volts which is enough to run many mics such as the AT-853. This power is not enough for very loud sound levels with AT-853.

Maybe add to #16, How long will it record?  Around 7 hours on a pair of 2500 mah NiMh rechargable batteries.

Great additions.  Added! :) Thanks!

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Re: Edirol R-09 FAQ -- Please Help and Contribute!
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2006, 11:22:19 AM »
17. Phantom power, no.  It does have an option to provide plug power at 3.3v volts which is enough to run many mics such as the AT-853. This power is not enough for very loud sound levels with AT-853.

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3.3v is what is stated in the manual, but Nuetrino & SunWizard both measured the mic powering at 2.49v.  I'm not certain if this varies depending on the battery type used.

~Digital out is an optical 1/8" jack (shared with the analog/headphone out)
~The digital/analog out is active for during recording when enabled via a menu.
~4GB cards can be formated by connecting the recorder to the computer via the USB cable, no external reader is required to format.
~BodyGlove cellphone case fits well and is much less expensive than the Edirol case.
~Big red recording light and ways to dim it: tape/nail polish on the LED (requires disassembly), tape on the button, tape on the clear cover of the case.
~Display brightness can be adjusted from bright to dim & will return to the dimmest setting (but not completely off) after a specified time via menu setting.
   It is not especially dim in a dark room (where darker or off would be nice), nor is the bright setting very readable in direct sunlight (needs shading to view).

I'm sure there's plenty more but that just comes to mind..

vibrations > voltages > numeric values.. & back again.

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