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KORG MR-1 pt.II
« on: November 02, 2007, 08:18:59 AM »
to surmise what we covered in 16 pages of the first section of MR1 discussion...

- it sounds really good
- tricky to power (needs a lot of current)
- some units have bugs, or better put, some people have had some issues w/theirs... but the majority seem to be solid rocks (mine is).

am I missing anything ?

Edit by BSkalinder:  Pt I:  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,80529.0.html
« Last Edit: November 16, 2007, 09:35:31 AM by Brian Skalinder »
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 08:21:15 AM »
I asked a question in the last one that went unanswered - anyone run a SBD > MR-1 yet? Just wondering if there is a need for attenuation based on the input level of the MR-1.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 08:46:51 AM »
*future of playback systems seems also to be hot topic.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 09:09:19 AM »
what is an SBR sound board feed?
yes, you'll want to attenuate.  either at or before the korg's input.

future of playback?
hopefully, we'll be mastering our own SACDs at some point.  otherwise, we just have to settle for what *we think is superior* mastering yielding kick ass PCM recordings.
I"m still very happy with redbook.  so DSD>PCM (redbook) is A-OK w/me.


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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 09:13:55 AM »
what is an SBR sound board feed?
yes, you'll want to attenuate.  either at or before the korg's input.





Woops, meant SBD. Thanks Nick.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 08:40:23 PM »
re - dsd only do not convert to pcm.

they do not read, show no respect, dont listen.dont care.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2007, 03:36:47 PM »
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2007, 04:50:22 PM »

Too late...
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2007, 02:56:29 PM »
I just finalized charging of external batteries and connected from USB out on battery to power input on the MR-1 and was able to record 7+ hours nonstop in DSD format.  "Boy, I love this country..."  and it wasn't so long ago I was flippin cassettes every 45 to hour to record live.  I wonder what 25 more years will bring.  Hope I'm still here... Joe Ray

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2007, 04:55:29 PM »
nice !
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2007, 08:23:55 PM »
I think I want one of these.
Suppose I should start paying attention to this thread.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2007, 09:08:05 PM »
i just joined the mr-1000 family.
maiden voyage tonight.
If it's worth getting off the couch, it's worth taping!

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2007, 07:59:35 AM »
nice Ed.
you'll never look back.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2007, 11:55:03 AM »

Checking in...
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2007, 08:56:47 AM »
i just joined the mr-1000 family.
maiden voyage tonight.

I remember you looking at mine at Red Rocks thinking about it.

Way to go Ed!
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2007, 09:01:27 AM »
so tell us Ed...
how was the maiden voyage, and what do you think of DSD recording ?
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2007, 02:52:12 PM »
i do like dsd.  i've listened to my mcfadden trio + bernie worrell a few times now.
same room, same pa, same mics and cables and same hanging location in the room. with a bonus of a fairly well behaved audience.
there is definately something to dsd, my first impression was there seemed to be extra clarity.  i don't know how else to describe it other the sound of the recording was cleaner and more clear.
i have used the same rig for 3 years now mk-41 > vms 5 >v-3 and same rig 24 bit for 2 years.  i am very familiar with how things sound.  the new rig mk-41 > vms 5 > mr-1000 line in @ 1 bit 2.8MHz is a whole new world.
probably going to let busman do his magic in the very near future.

OK DSD PEOPLE

lets start trading dsd recordings.  i'm assuming snail mail dvds will be the way to go to get started.

anyone want my mcfadden trio + bernie worrell recording let me know.

besides mountain biking and skiing is there a cooler hobby than live music archiving?  i don't think so.

i love all you boys and girls!

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2007, 04:49:21 PM »
you gots it!
I dont know if its all in my head or not, but I like it.
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i've got a years worth of DSD masters.  lots of panic, ratdog, phil...and various jazz / funk shit.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2007, 07:55:03 PM »

I've got quite a few myself.  By happy to send them on.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2007, 08:06:22 PM »
thanks guys!
i would love to get some trading going.
to get started i would like to hear some mule, phil or allmans.
all i have so far is the mcfadden trio w/ bernie worrell to trade.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2007, 08:26:56 PM »
I've got Phil from...10-10 this year.
abb from 8-3 / 8-8
Mule from 9-11

all 2007
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2007, 08:46:14 PM »
Just saw this.  So are they selling the new Korg units as their playback system?

http://www.tweakaudio.com/EVS-2/Whats_New.html


SUPER DUPER ANNOUNCEMENT :   We are very excited to offer a new audio format for the two channel enthusiast (the last and best 2 channel format?!?).  We will be doing live two channel recordings using a custom modded battery powered double speed DSD recorder (5.6Mhz sampling frequency....twice that of SACD).  We will be selling battery powered playback systems and will be distributing our recordings for playback on these modified machines.....these machines will be identical to the original recorder and the digital information will not be altered in any way......there will be no optical/laser digital path for purest sound.  Imagine double speed DSD master tapes played on a battery powered modified player directly into your amps.....this will be better than any $100,000 turntable system.....The mics will be custom modified and hardwired directly into the recorder (no connectors).  We will have more information as we go.  I expect release of the modded recorder/playback system with software sometime in October.  Music will be varied.....all types except symphonies.....which will be too expensive to record (at least for now).  The fully modded playback system is targeted around $1500 and the software around $25 per release....absolutely no limiting, roll-off filters, copy protection, etc....you will get the pure raw double speed DSD data that was originally recorded....... We are talking super transparency and super dynamics.....This has never happened in the history of recorded music.  No one besides the original recordists and a few friends have even had access to original master tapes.  If you have ever heard even a copy of an analog master tape or have heard some DSD demos (like Ray Kimber's) then you have an idea of how incredible this will be. 

Since this machine can also play all PCM formats up to 24/192 then the hard drive on the machine can also be loaded with up to 60 hours of CD quality music....or 24/96 DADs or DVD-A material....whatever......and having it played back on a hard drive based battery powered super modded machine may actually sound better than most any CD playback system.....And also you can record your own music on it and transfer records to double speed DSD or 24/192 for archiving and preserving your old vinyl and......even has a headphone amp.....salivating yet?!?   stay tuned!!!

We are also going to make one off CDs, DVDs (at 24/96) and DVDAs (24/192) available of all the recordings.  Some people will not want to buy the hard drive master player but will still want to hear these incredible recordings on their players.  We will be distributing a few hundred free samplers of the first recordings on CDR and DVD in a few months.  Email me if you want one.  You can also make copies of this initial sampler for your friends and people in your audio clubs, etc


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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2007, 02:12:53 AM »
With much thanks for nearly a month MR-1 deck loan from TS member gmm6797 the Technical MR-1 Review 'rough cut' edition is ready for first viewing. 

PLEASE BE KIND as not everything is finished after nearly 6 days working on it, all links on the page are not yet correct, and I have some useful stuff still to add.  But hope to get most of this done next day or two so maybe give it a look and check back in a few days for more finished version with corrections (some from TS member suggestions?).

MR-1 TECH REVIEW AT: www.sonicstudios.com/mr-1revw.htm

What you should find most interesting is full disclosure of MR-1 input gain settings in chart form, how MR-1 gain set works, MIC/LINE input signal limits, and balanced/unbalanced input noise plots with/without external preamplifiers.

As always, corrections and suggestions welcome.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2007, 02:37:54 AM »
awsome data guysonic.

many thanks

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2007, 10:01:22 PM »
How difficult is it to see and adjust the levels in stealth conditions?
My eyes are not what they used to be . .  I have difficulty with my R-09.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2007, 10:03:23 PM »
How difficult is it to see and adjust the levels in stealth conditions?
My eyes are not what they used to be . .  I have difficulty with my R-09.

IMHO, easy, especially if you lock both channels to change at the same time

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2007, 12:57:38 AM »
meters on m1 are awsome with good options on metering
-individual L/R gain while rec
-fully adjustable back light to nice and bright or slick dim
-meters are very easy in the dark,
-press hold button up while on hold and meter lights come on while rec for amount of time you have set to.
-mine comes on for 5 sec then off.

metering is just awsome on this unit, big and adjustable lighting.

it would be great to see you in the dsd realm master jedi jo
its where you belong.

good luck

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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2007, 01:20:32 AM »
2.5 hours internal battery life will not cut it.
What are people using as a stealth solution?
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2007, 07:22:24 AM »
any 5v 1amp source.
lots of those "USB packs" seem to work.  wouldn't be difficult.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2007, 05:11:10 PM »
any 5v 1amp source.
lots of those "USB packs" seem to work.  wouldn't be difficult.

I have just done some measurements.  MR-1 is said to draw ~1/2 ampere at 5 volts = 2.5 (running) watts,  measured ~.25 amps charge when off, NOT running. 

Connected to charger draw turned on running goes to .45 amps so charging/running together seems the maximum; near KORG's spec power.

Charger drops out to then run on the internal battery at ~4.6 volts external applied charger voltage, but ICON on LCD shows still charging until external voltage drops down to 4.1 volt.  At 4.1 input volts the BATT ICON shows the battery bars.

This means MR-1 hard connected to 4 NiMH cells will NOT work well to fully use NiMH cell's full capacity (to ~4.2 volts) before deck disconnects charging/running 4.6 volts and depending make/condition of NiMH cell, leaving as much as 50% external cell capacity untapped

Now I'm waiting for the battery to fully charge so just deck running power is measured to know external battery power budget for just running the deck.

BATTERY SIZING 101:
If looking for a battery pack for running so many hours, and know the external pack internal battery size, do the math with battery voltage x ampere capacity = ~watt capacity of the external pack maximum. 

Sometimes the selling retailer does not list the pack's internal battery voltage and ampere capacity, but try to find this going to the pack maker's web page technical description for best chance of finding this.  Most of these external rechargeable packs use just ONE 3.7 volt lithium battery at some ampere capacity.

Actual available watts at 5 volts pack output will be (10%-25%) less than that, but you'll know at least ideal run time by dividing external pack watts by 2.5 deck watts.  So be conservative in estimated running time from any pack until fully 'rundown' tested.

TIP: New packs need 2-3 use to ~60% remaining, recharges to fully wake up to maximum capacity, and then will last up to 2 years before losing 20% or more capacity/runtime ability. 

So SUGGEST best to BUY NEW having 50% MORE capacity than expected to actually need.

PERSONAL EXAMPLE: My own BC-MT4 for Microtrack deck with USB output plug can be instead fitted with 4 x 1.7 mm locking barrel connector required by MR-1 power jack.  I planned to do this if there's time. This external pack has ~40 watt capacity using 4 C alkaline cells that when divided by 2.5 watts needed by MR-1 = ~16 hours 'ideal' runtime.  This pack 'recharges' in seconds anywhere with fresh cells inserted.

16 hours runtime is far more than most recordists need for doing an evening concert or session, and then returning home, but exactly what's very needed for those doing days of recording in remote locations where recharging external packs is not so practical, or simply wanting recording runtime reliability as moot issue.

AND, however convenient, reliable, and powerful, disposable flashlight cell type packs seem not environmentally kind! 

This is less an issue with packs using much larger capacity D cells having 35-50 Hr recording time, and needing 'refreshing' every year or two(!) if used every month for recording one or two events. 

What's interesting is most lithium rechargeable pack batteries fully work same 1-2 Yr. length of time, and have lost enough reliability/capacity for owners to be disposed for cheaply getting another!  So in some situations, about the same burden on the environment using either battery type, or so I am thinking.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2007, 05:16:37 PM »
i use a power runner pr2e for mine.
works like butta.  will even charge the internal.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2007, 05:55:18 PM »
I have found that the MR-1 pulls about 0.5 A on average but since it has an internal battery if the Charger kicks in it will start pulling more current.

So you need to make sure your power source can handle higher currents (I would say 1-1.5 A).

Also make sure the internal MR-1 battery is fully charged when ever you run an external battery.

I currently run a Tekkeon myPower 3400 and it works very well.  I could probably get about 20 hours of use out of this setup but it is a bigger battery.

I was thinking about getting a Tekkeon myPower go and loading it up with 4 2500mA Rechargables.  I would think you would get about 4-5 hours with this setup. http://www.tekkeon.com/site/products-mypowergo.php

I don't know if the myPower go would will work, as Tekkeon does not list the output voltage (only saying it should power most 5V devices) but it looks like it is very small and you can get them on eBay very cheap at around $20 (with no batteries).  You also may need to get a USB to Sony PSP power cable to connect it to the MR-1 - but it does look like it may come with the right adapter plug and cable (albiet it looks like it may be polarity reversable so you would need to be careful with it).
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2007, 07:24:46 AM »
I have just done some measurements.  MR-1 is said to draw ~1/2 ampere at 5 volts = 2.5 (running) watts,  measured ~.25 amps charge when off, NOT running.  

Connected to charger draw turned on running goes to .45 amps so charging/running together seems the maximum; near KORG's spec power.

Charger drops out to then run on the internal battery at ~4.6 volts external applied charger voltage, but ICON on LCD shows still charging until external voltage drops down to 4.1 volt.  At 4.1 input volts the BATT ICON shows the battery bars.

This means MR-1 hard connected to 4 NiMH cells will NOT work well to fully use NiMH cell's full capacity (to ~4.2 volts) before deck disconnects charging/running 4.6 volts and depending make/condition of NiMH cell, leaving as much as 50% external cell capacity untapped.  

Now I'm waiting for the battery to fully charge so just deck running power is measured to know external battery power budget for just running the deck.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2007, 07:39:00 AM »
I've found this deck to be finicky w/its power requirements.  Sounds like you are having the same discovery.
it likes a strong current...., that is for sure.

I tried doing all sorts of VR devices to run 7.2v or 6v sources w/a 5v, 1amp output.  still wouldn't work.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2007, 09:39:14 AM »
I've found this deck to be finicky w/its power requirements.  Sounds like you are having the same discovery.
it likes a strong current...., that is for sure.

I tried doing all sorts of VR devices to run 7.2v or 6v sources w/a 5v, 1amp output.  still wouldn't work.

I did see momentary power spike to at least 0.7 amps when first connecting external power with deck on, but his quickly settled to <.45 amps. Using 1 amp external regulator should work OK.

Suggest putting  a large +330 mfd 'low impedance' type electrolytic capacitor maybe with +0.1 mfd ceramic/chip in parallel on the output of your regulator to soften momentary 'deck startup' current surges that might spike-drop the output voltage too low shutting down a deck having exhausted internal battery.  Also if using long battery cable to the regulator, or low capacity batteries, consider shorter or larger cable, and using batteries large enough to better handle the current surges; maybe a large capacitor at the input of the regulator is also a good idea if still having problems.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2007, 06:44:59 PM »
Before I got the Tekkeon battery I ran it with 3A Max VR and it has worked most of the time, but on one occasion the internal battery drained all the way down (with a fully charged external battery), and it would only turn on again when connected to the AC Adapter.  It would try and turn on with the external battery but get stuck turning itself on and off repeatedly.

I tried turing the voltage up to about 5.5V and it still behaved the same way.

Also I have noticed theat with either the Tekkeon or the custom power source I built the Charging icon goes away after about 5 minutes and the battery bars appear, but they never go down even after 4-5 hours of use.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2007, 03:58:05 AM »
MR-1 review is being updated new battery charge/use power draw that now takes the mystery out of what the MR-1 is doing.  Basically the deck TURNS OFF charging during recording, using the external 5 volts for running the deck.  See the below chart to be included in the revised page. 



Also realize the external supply is DISCONNECTED AT ~4.65 volts, even though the battery gage shows charging, it will not tell the truth until the external voltage further drops to 4.1 volts where internal battery then shows in the gage.  If your external supply momentarily drops with MR-1 power surges (accessing the disc), then the deck will disconnect temporarily, or for good if still below 4.75 volts, but maybe the battery ICON doesn't let you know the bad news.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2007, 09:46:44 AM »

Version #3 of the review with better detail/discussion on MR-1's powering issues now at: www.sonicstudios.com/mr-1revw.htm#power
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2007, 11:15:54 AM »
I`d love to get this unit for powering my new Korg..

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180177120573&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008

Does anyone know if the Korg has that USB type A plug or does it have a different USB plug??

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2007, 11:22:08 AM »
I`d love to get this unit for powering my new Korg..

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180177120573&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008

Does anyone know if the Korg has that USB type A plug or does it have a different USB plug??

Best,

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2007, 11:27:04 AM »

Uses 4.0x1.7 mm 'locking' barrel (coaxial) type power plug, same as sony DAT decks.

So you mean you have to go with the power plug, no chance to power the unit over USB??

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2007, 11:34:26 AM »

Uses 4.0x1.7 mm 'locking' barrel (coaxial) type power plug, same as sony DAT decks.

So you mean you have to go with the power plug, no chance to power the unit over USB??

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2007, 09:28:27 AM »
Revised MR-1 review version now 4 posted and likely nearly finished.   :alert:

Found version 3 too technically obscure to be mostly unreadable (very sorry about that).   :crazy:

 :hmmm: So maybe time to give this a read to see if understandable, and now no need to be kind about feedback/suggestions.  :flack:

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2007, 10:44:54 AM »
Nice write-up Guysonic!  One thing I've noticed, and it may be a problem with my deck, is if the internal battery gets low, I start losing volume on one channel (I think the right channel?).  I noticed in your write-up that the two channels have different self-noise levels - any theories as to why the channels should behave differently?

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2007, 03:58:55 PM »
Nice write-up Guysonic!  One thing I've noticed, and it may be a problem with my deck, is if the internal battery gets low, I start losing volume on one channel (I think the right channel?).  I noticed in your write-up that the two channels have different self-noise levels - any theories as to why the channels should behave differently?

Thanks!

Mike



Hard to tell cause without circuit schematic diagram to know how analog output (gain) is being handled.  From working the deck, forgot to mention LINE and PHONES output BOTH controlled by same volume up/down buttons simultaneously. 

So we commence pure speculation on what could be happening.

Volume control of these two linked outputs may determined by dual channel varying voltage, or more likely just one single mono channel voltage working into two or four voltage controlled LINE/PHONES amplifiers. 

While same voltage seems to control both line/phones output, phones voltage output is almost half that of line output if I remember correctly, so maybe line and phones do have their own amplifier (two stereo amps) controlled by the same control voltage. 

If this is the case, interesting to see if your LINE output also experiences unbalance with low battery voltage suggesting dual control voltages where one channel loses voltage regulation with low battery.  If both line/phones affected then problem is likely with component(s) generating control voltage losing function.   If just phones is losing balance, then likely problem with amplifier driving that output.

In any case, this should not be happening if deck continues to otherwise run OK (not shut down) at that lower battery level suggesting there is problem with sub-standard part, or less likely a design error.

It may be that MR-1 is not so different than R-09 in using just one master CODEC IC generating all or most analog input/output functions.  If this the case, then quality control tests on this IC may be lacking low voltage regulation tests affecting critical performance.

However, all supply voltages inside MR-1 should be regulated to work until the deck shuts itself down, and in this case also likely the problem with a voltage regulator powering certain circuits is dropping regulation too soon, before the deck is designed to know shut down point.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2007, 06:23:07 PM »
One question, as my first post here.

Does anybody know how the MR-1000's ( I know it is the MR-1 topic) XLR output is organized? Which is the purer: the RCA or XLR? I feel the XLR output is worse than the RCA, so is the internal structure is generally symmetrical and RCA output is generated by an opamp, or the XLR output is generated by an opamp from the internally asymmetrical construction?

Thanks for the help.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2007, 06:49:25 PM »
One question, as my first post here.

Does anybody know how the MR-1000's ( I know it is the MR-1 topic) XLR output is organized? Which is the purer: the RCA or XLR? I feel the XLR output is worse than the RCA, so is the internal structure is generally symmetrical and RCA output is generated by an opamp, or the XLR output is generated by an opamp from the internally asymmetrical construction?

Thanks for the help.

Balanced output (XLR) is usually best if running long cables for having best chance of external noise immunity, and better condition of signal for maybe cancelling the effects of wire inductance/capacitance after traveling more than a few meters extension cord distance.  

For shorter cable runs, unbalanced output actually has chance of lower distortion characteristic than balanced (one less amplifier handling the output signal) and is preferred by some purists for this reason.

If the balanced output is handled by a transformer, then usually one amplifier is driving the output, and the characteristics of the output transformer has most effect on signal quality, and usually not as 'Hi-Fidelity' as direct connected unbalanced output.

For these reasons I personally choose to design a special stereo preamplifier output using an older technique once used exclusively by an audiophile equipment company also doing live performance recording and having to run mic signals a hundred or more feet.  They developed a special mic preamplifier located a few feet from the mics that drove unbalanced 50 or 75 ohm load-terminated video cable.

The output in this case is much higher power (overrides by several orders of magnitude all lower power radio/AC power noise signals), the cable is also 100% shielded adding even more noise immunity, AND terminated in its characteristic impedance so there is no chance of signal reflections (phase timing corruption) usual with all long lengths of signals traveling over unterminated cable, including commonly used unterminated balanced cable.  

While it's easy to find 100% shielded, precision impedance video cable these days. The engineering design challenge with this is the audio performance of the video output amplifier, and is not so easy to make as this one company realized, but eventually succeeded as did I using a special class A amplifier design developed over 20 years ago for this purpose.

This an older photo, now available with miniXLR connector upgrade

This allows EXACTLY the same quality LINE level signal outputted from the preamplifier to arrive at the terminated end thousands of feet away unchanged or interfered with by noise; not even balanced or any other extension cable method can do this feat.

So best seems single amplifier output and ultimate is also driving unbalanced, but very low impedance terminated video/RF type cable.

While required by very few caring recordists working very long distance mic positions, those interested or just curious in knowing more about a very unique S-VHS video cable output preamp capable of driving over a thousand foot length of cable, and while running on ~20 hour life internal battery power go to:  www.sonicstudios.com/access.htm#24njv
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2007, 10:43:25 AM »
Guysonic,

thanks for the detailed answer, this  solution is very interesting, I will dig deeper in it nd learnt a lot. However, did not answer my question, which is the purer output of the MR-1000: the XLR or the RCA?

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2007, 10:55:13 AM »
did not answer my question

guysonic is just trying to get you to drop cash into his business.  he offers sound advice but it's usually linked to a product on his website so just be careful.

i'm not familiar with the mr1000 but i always opt for an xlr output(+4dbv) over an rca out (-10dbv) if whatever i'm connecting it to can accept a +4 line level without being overloaded.  people equate xlr to "pro" and rca to "consumer" but there's more to it, technically.

if whatever you are connecting it to only accepts rca, then that's fine.  i'm not sure what you are looking for in terms of "purity" so my apologies if i have not answered your question sufficiently.  a google search can get you informed on +4 line level  outputs vs. -10 line level outputs with all the technical information.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2007, 12:07:14 PM »
Guysonic,

thanks for the detailed answer, this  solution is very interesting, I will dig deeper in it nd learnt a lot. However, did not answer my question, which is the purer output of the MR-1000: the XLR or the RCA?

In most cases, the unbalanced RCA output is purer less 'processed' output, with the balanced output handled with a 'following' amplifier stage that adds its own low distortion characteristics.

So if running <1.5 meter output cable, the RCA might be best one to use for lowest distortion effects.

Most cases the difference between the two outputs will NOT be audible, but easily measured with specialized test gear.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2007, 06:53:40 AM »
Hi guys,
I´m just wondering if someone has replaced the harddrive with a bigger one?
Thanks

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2007, 03:49:00 PM »
Hi guys,
I´m just wondering if someone has replaced the harddrive with a bigger one?
Thanks

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I think people are most interested in replacing the HDD with a SSD. I'm waiting
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levels before attempting this mod.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2007, 03:49:37 AM »
Hi guys,
I´m just wondering if someone has replaced the harddrive with a bigger one?
Thanks

F :)

I think people are most interested in replacing the HDD with a SSD. I'm waiting
for my warranty to expire and the price of 64Gb SSD's to come down in price to sane
levels before attempting this mod.

A thread on SSD got started to discuss these devices into SD 700 series decks, but really applies to all portables with HD inside: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,93076.msg1240252.html

Got a chance to carry the MR-1 around last Sunday recording ambient and acoustic (mostly) harp, dulc., mandolin, guitar stringed, and concertina instruments with some vocal.  Upon returning to start an editing session with the results, I found many instances where the MR-1 produced 'glitch' sounds with slightest motion, and seemed to start entirely new (seamless) files inside the folder if movement was severe enough.  And I thought minidisc was sensitive to motions! 

Obviously, the MR-1 is NOT for field recordists who need to be walking around while recording.  I heard recorded glitches even when having the deck in my lap, and moved it ever so slightly.

I'm sure a different make of HD inside might be less sensitive to such movements, but the real cure for this is SSD replacement inside.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2007, 09:01:42 PM »
Don't know but
http://www.audiogear.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?key=AdptFxMsm&preadd=action
looks like would work

I'm lookin to go from 3.5mm stereo (MMA-6000) to dual 3.5mm mono.
Just looking at my options.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2007, 09:53:58 PM »

I'm lookin to go from 3.5mm stereo (MMA-6000) to dual 3.5mm mono.
Just looking at my options.

Sound Professionals has these. It is "SP-KORG-ADAPTER-CABLE"

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2007, 05:05:50 AM »
What are the chances that this will fit the MR-1 input jacks?

http://www.audiogear.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?key=Adpt-2MmmMsf&preadd=action




imho chances are very high. I have one of these adapters (I got it directly in a plane) and it works perfectly.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2007, 08:18:55 AM »
What are the chances that this will fit the MR-1 input jacks?

http://www.audiogear.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?key=Adpt-2MmmMsf&preadd=action




imho chances are very high. I have one of these adapters (I got it directly in a plane) and it works perfectly.

Thanks for the info.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2008, 12:34:58 PM »
I would like to record outdoor & indoor concerts, and ambient nature.  My concerns are the ability to burn cd's that showcase the recording capability of the MR1, and the short battery life.  I have been leaning toward the Sony PCM-D50, but am drawn to the ability to make 1-bit recordings.  Does anyone have both machines?  If so, which do you prefer and why?  Thanks for your guidance.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2008, 12:47:27 PM »
I would like to record outdoor & indoor concerts, and ambient nature.  My concerns are the ability to burn cd's that showcase the recording capability of the MR1, and the short battery life.  I have been leaning toward the Sony PCM-D50, but am drawn to the ability to make 1-bit recordings.  Does anyone have both machines?  If so, which do you prefer and why?  Thanks for your guidance.

I've had chance to try both machines and would suggest the D50 as most compatible for your interests with easy powering, lower noise/more conventional minijack mic input, and immunity to physical movements that cause skips in MR-1. 

Most all the recording quality is with your choice and usage of external mics, not much if anything is audibly superior with 1-bit recording ability, and 1-bit format has to be converted to normal PCM anyway.  At least, this is my opinion at this time.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2008, 02:16:18 PM »
Thanks guysonic,  I was also looking at the DS 702 but figured for what I want to do something a bit smaller is better, and the 702 is a bit costly.  Yet, I am always wanting the best sound quality so who knows...

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2008, 03:32:04 PM »
Ok here's the scoop, I still have not made it to an authorized repair shop to have my MR-1 fixed.
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So I will be going to Langerado next week and the unit is functional except for the LCD, and I want to bring it as backup. What I need is an accurate flowchart on the menu structure. I remember some sightless member asking about the way the menu was layed out and whether it wrapped around, luckily it does not and I have been able to do some things, But what I would like to be able to do is set the record mode without hunting around for right settings. The manual does not provide a good detailed flowchart especially in this section. TIA
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2008, 05:47:03 PM »
Who wants to sell me there MR-1 ?  ;)
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2008, 06:38:06 PM »
Who wants to sell me there MR-1 ?  ;)

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2008, 09:13:13 AM »
Hi guys,
Can someone say something about the boot time of the KORG MR 1? This is very important for me and if this behaves like the M-Audio microtrack, a absolutely no go for me.
Thanks in advance

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2008, 01:04:10 PM »
Hi guys,
Can someone say something about the boot time of the KORG MR 1? This is very important for me and if this behaves like the M-Audio microtrack, a absolutely no go for me.
Thanks in advance

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Takes about 5 seconds to go from off to record-ready.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2008, 04:31:45 AM »
Thanks Jeff,
And hows the real world battery life?
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« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2008, 02:50:20 PM »
Thanks Jeff,
And hows the real world battery life?
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Not great.  For anything over 1 1/2 hours I'd use external power.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #69 on: June 27, 2008, 06:26:46 PM »
It looks like its gettin quiet around the MR1.
Any reports after heavy using for month? How is your (all) opinion about the unit?
Thanks

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #70 on: June 27, 2008, 06:28:30 PM »
I own my 2nd one now.  never a single problem.  wonderful recordings.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2008, 08:36:46 AM »
I own my 2nd one now.  never a single problem.  wonderful recordings.


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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2008, 11:41:38 AM »
I'm really happy with Mr. MR-1. You can make excellent recordings, it's small, flexible in terms of recording formats and I never had a single problem. The battery issue is not a big problem if you add an external one to your rig.
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« Reply #73 on: June 29, 2008, 12:12:35 PM »
Love my MR-1! Made 50 recordings with mine so far.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #74 on: August 07, 2008, 11:25:25 PM »
Has anyone tried sticking a solid state drive in one of these yet?  That should improve the run time on the stock battery and reduce heat quite a bit.  I remember some talk of doing that last year.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #75 on: October 30, 2008, 06:43:16 PM »
Has anyone tried sticking a solid state drive in one of these yet?  That should improve the run time on the stock battery and reduce heat quite a bit.  I remember some talk of doing that last year.

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i´m interested still in this too.;-)

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #76 on: October 31, 2008, 05:38:40 PM »
It may be the current batch of SSD devices are too slow for recording DSD data streams.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2008, 11:34:41 AM »
I tried putting a CF card into the MR-1 last night.

Didn't work. I turned it on, and it locked up at the start up screen. I couldn't turn it off, so I had to disassemble it and hot plug back in the hard drive. From there, it booted up normally.

The details:

The hard drive in the MR-1 is a Hitachi ZIF drive in a plastic case for shock protection. There is a small hole for the ZIF connector, so you can easily detach it.

I ordered a ZIF > CF card adapter from eBay, and used a cheap pqi 2 GB card. I copied over the files from the MR-1 onto the CF card.

Taking apart the MR-1 is pretty easy. It is held together by 4 screws. The sides come off and then the back panel comes off easily. If you are going to attempt this, I suggest to tape the switches on the top to the back panel. These are not secured in, and will fall on the floor. They are easy to place back, but taping it is simpler.

The battery on mine isn't bolted in, unless the connector is soldered. The connector is plugged into one of the logic boards and a gentle tug didn't unplug it. I would have to unscrew the logic boards to see if the connector is permanently soldered on.

I'm open to suggestions! If someone knows of an easy way to shut down the MR-1, let me know.

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update: 1. Found the reset switch! It is a small hole on the side, and powers down when you insert a push-pin.

2. I cloned the MR-1 hard drive using Acronis True-Image. The CF card now looks and acts like an HD when you mount it on a PC or Mac, but still no luck when I install it in the MR-1. Will keep trying!



Has anyone tried sticking a solid state drive in one of these yet?  That should improve the run time on the stock battery and reduce heat quite a bit.  I remember some talk of doing that last year.

Later,
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2008, 08:12:50 AM »
+T for effort.
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I've been wanting to do the same to mine, and have all the equipment.  looks as though the deck "knows" the drive, and wont work w/o.
hmmm.....
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2008, 01:10:47 PM »
cool, thanks for the effort guys. Would try it too, but mine is still on waranty :wink2:
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2008, 12:05:26 AM »
I can think of no reason this shouldn't be doable. I was interested in it for a while, but I think it won't be too long before there's a CF or SD MR-2 announced, so I'm just holding on everything.

In the past I've had issues with cheap adapters of this sort. can't really find out without spending some $$ on a pricey one. same goes for the CF card.

is there more than one zif connector standard? I seem to remember something like this...the connector is physically the same but communication happens a little differently. I may be completely off.




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« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2008, 08:38:53 AM »
There were originally problems with CF modding a Rockboxed iRiver H120, and it was dependent on the brand of CF card you used. Rockbox has been updated to fix this problem I believe, and is supposed to be compatible with more brands of CF cards. Apparently some do not adhere to the IDE standard.

I'm supposed to be getting a Lexar 16 GB CF card ($70 - $70 rebate = $0 from Beach Camera deal), so I will try that if it ever comes -- my order has been "In Process" for the last week or so.

If someone can loan me another name brand, like SanDisk or Ridata, I'll be happy to try it out.

With the adapter, there are Toshiba and Hitachi ZIF connectors. I'm not sure if they are incompatible. The adapter shipped with two types of cables. One was flexible, had pins on one side. The other was stiff, and had pins on both sides. The connector in the MR-1 matched the first, so I went with that. I'll try to look up more info on that...

I can think of no reason this shouldn't be doable. I was interested in it for a while, but I think it won't be too long before there's a CF or SD MR-2 announced, so I'm just holding on everything.

In the past I've had issues with cheap adapters of this sort. can't really find out without spending some $$ on a pricey one. same goes for the CF card.

is there more than one zif connector standard? I seem to remember something like this...the connector is physically the same but communication happens a little differently. I may be completely off.






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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2008, 09:19:09 AM »
I used the a-data speedy 16GB card when I had a 702 at 24/96 w/o issues and they are pretty cheap at about $30. 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211170  - 16GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211244  - 32GB

I know it's a stretch but these cards work well and are cheap.  Unfortunately do not have one any more.


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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2008, 12:24:36 PM »
I actually went a bought a 16 GB Adata from Fry's because it was reported to be one of the few that worked with the H120 in the beginning, but after the 4 GB Lexar deal, I returned it, unopened. At Fry's, the card is $70 and that seemed like a lot for an experiment (I could have returned it opened, but I hate doing that).

The Lexar is "Shipped" so it should be here next week. I will let you guys know.

If anyone can dig up info on the differences between the Toshiba and Hitachi ZIF connectors, that may help too.


I used the a-data speedy 16GB card when I had a 702 at 24/96 w/o issues and they are pretty cheap at about $30. 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211170  - 16GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211244  - 32GB

I know it's a stretch but these cards work well and are cheap.  Unfortunately do not have one any more.




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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2008, 08:08:24 PM »
what was the make/model # of the HD you took out? googling that should get you info on the connector interface.
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« Reply #85 on: November 15, 2008, 01:34:58 AM »
It was definitely a Hitachi. I don't recall the model off hand, but I googled it at the time to get install info.

what was the make/model # of the HD you took out? googling that should get you info on the connector interface.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #86 on: November 15, 2008, 02:14:09 PM »
I can think of no reason this shouldn't be doable. I was interested in it for a while, but I think it won't be too long before there's a CF or SD MR-2 announced, so I'm just holding on everything.






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« Reply #87 on: November 15, 2008, 03:05:28 PM »
Yeah, I hope it is soon that a some manner of solid state HD or removable media is introduced. I'd really like to buy one of these and all my objections to the design would be solved by doing this. If it's introduced for this Xmas season I will,.. but if not, I'll probably go for a D-50 or R09hd.

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« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2008, 11:15:33 PM »
Any updates on the CF mod? I'm very curious. :)

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #89 on: December 19, 2008, 04:34:58 PM »
No luck so far. I tried the "name-brand" CF (Lexar Professional UDMA 4 GB), but still could get past the splash screen.

Probably have to wait for the 1.8" SSD drives to become cheap before I make my next attempt....



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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #90 on: December 19, 2008, 05:42:59 PM »
Well SSD's are starting to get cheaper - 2.5" 32GB SSD is at Fry's for $70 and it was down to $60 a few weeks back - I would bet in the next year costs will drop drastically!

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« Reply #91 on: January 25, 2009, 11:04:51 PM »
Tagging this thread for interest.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #92 on: January 26, 2009, 06:53:31 AM »
I'm still a fan.
:)

- not one recording error w/the deck in a year of use
- not a single battery failure (when knowing im' using it for less than 2 hours)
- still sounds really good to my ears.
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« Reply #93 on: January 26, 2009, 12:35:17 PM »
DSD Rocks!!!!!!
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« Reply #94 on: January 26, 2009, 03:19:02 PM »
- not one recording error w/the deck in a year of use
- not a single battery failure (when knowing im' using it for less than 2 hours)
- still sounds really good to my ears.

My experience is also very positive. Though my internal battery is now only good for around 100 minutes, I get around 6 hours by using the included 4 AA battery case (using Sanyo 2000 mAh Eneloops).
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« Reply #95 on: January 26, 2009, 03:47:48 PM »
Well SSD's are starting to get cheaper - 2.5" 32GB SSD is at Fry's for $70 and it was down to $60 a few weeks back - I would bet in the next year costs will drop drastically!

Why not just drop in a 32GB CF card instead?
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« Reply #96 on: January 28, 2009, 11:18:08 PM »
I'm still a fan.
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- not one recording error w/the deck in a year of use
- not a single battery failure (when knowing im' using it for less than 2 hours)
- still sounds really good to my ears.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2009, 06:45:06 AM »
using a preamp
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« Reply #98 on: January 29, 2009, 07:07:32 AM »
I've always used an external preamp as well. Guysonic has tested the deck & reported that if you need to set mic or line in record level below -10 dB in order to keep meters from hitting 0 db, your recording will clip anyway. Also edtyre has posted here that when you need to set the record level above +6 or +7 dB, the internal preamp starts to get noisy. I've always gone line in (with record level at -6, which I read somewhere is supposed to be unity gain, but don't ask me why it isn't 0 dB) with an external pre (usually a ST-9100) and gotten excellent results.  

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« Reply #99 on: January 29, 2009, 07:11:05 AM »
I run somewhere between 0db and -7db.  Usually around -5db.  but its moot as my Apogee MMP has an output attenuator.  Nice feature...as I can push the preamp for added flavor, but not smoke the decks inputs.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #100 on: January 29, 2009, 10:48:22 AM »
Well SSD's are starting to get cheaper - 2.5" 32GB SSD is at Fry's for $70 and it was down to $60 a few weeks back - I would bet in the next year costs will drop drastically!

Why not just drop in a 32GB CF card instead?

I am just bringning this up as SSD's are almost getting to the same price point as CF.  Meaning at some point it may cost less to get an SSD then to get a CF and adapter.  Also an SSD may have a greater chance of compatibility.  As someone pointed earlier in the thread they could not get a CF card to work.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #101 on: January 29, 2009, 10:53:27 AM »
As someone pointed earlier in the thread they could not get a CF card to work.

I see, I must have missed that.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #102 on: February 10, 2009, 05:17:55 AM »
So any daredevils got it working with a SSD??

Well SSD's are starting to get cheaper - 2.5" 32GB SSD is at Fry's for $70 and it was down to $60 a few weeks back - I would bet in the next year costs will drop drastically!

Why not just drop in a 32GB CF card instead?

I am just bringning this up as SSD's are almost getting to the same price point as CF.  Meaning at some point it may cost less to get an SSD then to get a CF and adapter.  Also an SSD may have a greater chance of compatibility.  As someone pointed earlier in the thread they could not get a CF card to work.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #103 on: February 13, 2009, 12:42:16 AM »
Well after recording my first concert with the MR-1, I ran into battery problems, despite being amply forewarned from these threads.

I read the threads on plugging in an external battery. I have the free battery pack that Korg gives for it, but I also have a Li-Ion USB battery pack that I bought as a backup power for my iPod. I have the APC UPB10 (http://www.amazon.com/APC-UPB10-Universal-Battery-10WH/dp/B000GBN42E), but any USB battery pack should work.

From the info in this thread, I reasoned that a usb charging cable for the Sony PSP would connect the battery pack to the MR-1:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,87354.0/all.html

but I didn't think it would be cost effective to get all the parts from Radio Shack or Fry's to make a USB -> Power plug cable.

Searching on eBay, the cables were cheap, but the shipping was outrageous.

I found this Y-cable from DealExtreme that does exactly what I want, for a grand total of $2.40 (free shipping).
http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8693

Not only that, but you can plug in both the USB and power on the MR-1, then to the USB on your computer, and both charge the battery and mount the drive.

Plugging it into the battery pack, it gives the "charging" icon, so I assume it is working.

The only problem with DealExtreme is that it takes forever for them to ship the item. I ordered it on Jan 23, and only received it today (Feb. 12). They are based in China, but I have had no problems with them. I've ordered 3-4 things from them without a problem, only long wait times.

Anyway, hope that helps anyone looking to power the MR-1 with an external USB battery pack, or wanting to charge+mount the device with just one cable.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2009, 11:54:02 AM »
You cannot charge the Korg MR-1 via USB.

The stock external battery pack will give you 4+ hours
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« Reply #105 on: February 15, 2009, 12:44:24 AM »
You cannot charge the Korg MR-1 via USB.

You are absolutely correct. However, that wasn't the purpose of my post! From the thread on using an external battery with the MR-1, the unit requires power that turns out to be compatible with USB power (5V, 800-500mA). The main problem is that you need some way to connect the USB source to the DC-in jack.

While it is possible to hack together a USB cable and a plug, the cable that I linked is a low-cost solution that doesn't require any cutting and soldering. In addition, it is a Y-cable, with the other end terminating in a mini-usb - this carries the data.

So the main benefit of this cable is that you can plug one end into your computer, and then the other two plugs into your MR-1. Now you can mount the drive and charge the unit -- no AC adapter required (which is almost the size of the MR-1).

The second benefit is that you can plug the MR-1 to an external Li-Ion battery pack. I just happened to have one, and I find it more convenient than the Korg external battery pack. I will still pack along both.

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« Reply #106 on: February 15, 2009, 02:52:20 AM »
Hmm, I sent in my form for the free external battery pack from Korg, but never got it.
Is there another way?


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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #107 on: February 15, 2009, 07:59:42 AM »
any 5v source.  Ipod external batteries work well.
I've got a tiny little one that has 5v/6v/7.2v output seletable via a switch.  Its about 1/2 the size of a deck of cards and at 5v outputs 2850mAh.
In a pinch, I can use it to power my Apogee MMP on the 6v setting (2500mAh).  Even has a flashlight built in.
I'm searching for it, but it has no brand name.  If I can find it, i'll post it.  its the best battery I've ever had, bar none.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #108 on: February 15, 2009, 08:05:47 AM »
I can't find it..., but this would work (w/a slight modification to the USB cable, replacing w/an M tip)
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Battery-Pack-Lithium-ion-Rechargeable/dp/B000N63AC6
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« Reply #109 on: March 05, 2009, 10:14:45 AM »
went through all of the pages in this thread (and for pt 1) and didn't see any mention of it, so guessing not. But here it goes anyway, does the MR-1 play flac files (like my iRiver does) ?

This does loook like a nifty little unit though, def keeping my eyes open for one of these......
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #110 on: March 05, 2009, 12:04:48 PM »
You cannot charge the Korg MR-1 via USB.


Is this really right?  How come the charge icon comes on when I plug in a USB battery?
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« Reply #111 on: March 13, 2009, 12:38:20 PM »
Back to the SSD project for the MR1.

http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~bigsmile/rail/mr1-swap.htm
Looks that someone had done it successfully
Maybe someone can translate this a bit.
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« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2009, 02:09:53 PM »
went through all of the pages in this thread (and for pt 1) and didn't see any mention of it, so guessing not. But here it goes anyway, does the MR-1 play flac files (like my iRiver does) ?

This does loook like a nifty little unit though, def keeping my eyes open for one of these......


Unfortunately not at this time

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #114 on: March 20, 2009, 02:32:47 PM »
 I bought my MR-1 in 2007, so I didn't qualify for the free battery pack offer from Korg.  But you can order it online from B&H Photo at
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/543019-REG/Korg_BATPACKMR1_4_AA_External_Battery_Pack.html
$15 plus shipping.  There is a 3 week wait though as B&H doesn't carry them in stock.  It's strange that you can buy the battery pack from B&H but not directly from Korg.

I just received my external battery pack from B&H yesterday and have been running a test recording this morning with the MR-1 using the battery pack and 4 fully-charged UniRoss Hybrio NiMH 2100 mAh hybrid AA rechargeable batteries.  It's been recording for 4 hours now and still drawing power from the battery pack.  Impressive!  More juice than I'll probably ever need.  I had been using a small external Lithium-Ion rechargeable battery pack and not too happy with it.  The MR-1 would frequently cut off the external Li-ion pack and start drawing power from the internal battery less than an hour into the recording even though the battery pack was fully charged.  I missed the entire encore of a Cure concert last year because the MR-1 had cut off power from the battery pack and drained all the power from its internal battery.

 
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #115 on: March 20, 2009, 02:46:24 PM »
  The MR-1 would frequently cut off the external Li-ion pack and start drawing power from the internal battery less than an hour into the recording even though the battery pack was fully charged.  I missed the entire encore of a Cure concert last year because the MR-1 had cut off power from the battery pack and drained all the power from its internal battery.

This is EXACTLY why i got rid of mine, lost parts of three shows and called it quits.
Used the Korg 4 AA external battery pack for the last show i recorded (MR-1) and it worked fine.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #116 on: March 20, 2009, 08:25:19 PM »
what tip where you guys using?  I have the radioshack adaptaplug B, and have not had one problem yet.  Im running a VR(7-18V in - 9v out and 5v out)  i am running two DVD batteries (9v 5400mah) in parallel in. 5v out of the vr box with adaptaplug B into the korg.  This is in my gear bag, so not a stealth situation, not a lot of movement in there either.

im just wondering if it could have been your li bat and tip?
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« Reply #117 on: March 21, 2009, 09:23:57 PM »
Hi BJ,

The other thing with Li-Ion batteries, if this is one of those USB packs, I think you need a high current out of the pack. In guysonic's tests, he showed that the draw is normally under 500 mA, but can sometimes spike to 800 mA. If I understood correctly what he wrote, if the battery doesn't output enough current, the MR-1 will switch to the internal battery.

desertsky, I tried using rechargables but they didn't work. I thought that because the total voltage of rechargables is < 5V (ie., 4 x 1.2V = 4.8V), that it won't properly power the MR-1? Am I off, or is there something about these "hybrid" batteries that you are using?

Ted

what tip where you guys using?  I have the radioshack adaptaplug B, and have not had one problem yet.  Im running a VR(7-18V in - 9v out and 5v out)  i am running two DVD batteries (9v 5400mah) in parallel in. 5v out of the vr box with adaptaplug B into the korg.  This is in my gear bag, so not a stealth situation, not a lot of movement in there either.

im just wondering if it could have been your li bat and tip?

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« Reply #118 on: March 22, 2009, 10:06:57 AM »

desertsky, I tried using rechargables but they didn't work. I thought that because the total voltage of rechargables is < 5V (ie., 4 x 1.2V = 4.8V), that it won't properly power the MR-1? Am I off, or is there something about these "hybrid" batteries that you are using?

If you go to fmaderjr's post in this thread back on January 26th, he says he was also able to get about 6 hours total recording time using the external AA pack w/ Sanyo Eneloop 2000 mAh AA batteries.  The Sanyo Eneloops are the same hybrid low self-discharge NiMH type rechargeables as the Hybrio's I tested.   So there must be something about these newer batteries.

Found some info about the hybrid batteries on Wikipedia.  The article say voltage with the hybrids is more stable than other traditional NiMH rechargeables.  That could explain why they seem to work well with the MR-1.  There certainly doesn't seem to be an issue with the total voltage being 4.8V.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery

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It is generally claimed that low self-discharge NiMH batteries retain 90% of their charge after six months, 85% after a year and 70% after two years, when stored at 20 °C (68 °F).

Low self-discharge NiMH batteries typically have a significantly lower internal resistance than traditional NiMH batteries. This has a number of desirable effects especially for high-drain applications:

  • Voltage is more stable (less load- and capacity-dependent). This can have a beneficial effect on runtime in electronic devices, which typically have a cut-off voltage per battery that is not much lower than NiMH's nominal voltage. (However, this can also cause some devices with battery status indicators to overestimate the remaining capacity of a nearly drained cell.)
  • Reduced heat buildup when the battery is quickly charged or discharged
  • Higher efficiency
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #119 on: April 06, 2009, 10:44:27 PM »
Sorry if this was discussed previously but I couldn't really find a clear answer.

What are people doing as far as setting levels on the MR-1 in low profile situations?  It seems like accessing the gain through the menu function could be difficult.  Is it? 

I would be running line in.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #120 on: April 07, 2009, 10:30:33 AM »
Anyone here ever get the "hard drive busy" error message?  I got this the other night.  Had to reset and reboot, then it went away. 
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #121 on: April 07, 2009, 07:52:42 PM »
Sorry if this was discussed previously but I couldn't really find a clear answer.

What are people doing as far as setting levels on the MR-1 in low profile situations?  It seems like accessing the gain through the menu function could be difficult.  Is it? 

I would be running line in.

Thanks for the help!


Make sure the firmware is up to date.  Been so long a time from handling a loaned MR-1 I cannot recall enough to suggest settings.

However, technical review of MR-1 on my site may prove helpful with knowing deck adjustment details and this found at: www.sonicstudios.com/mr-1revw.htm
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #122 on: June 17, 2009, 06:10:15 PM »
OK, I know this isn't supposed to work, but it does....

So I was using my MR-1 as a hard drive, transporting some files from my home computer to my work computer this morning. I plugged in the MR-1 via USB, and started the transfer, then had to run off to a meeting. Before I get back to my office, I start socializing and go for lunch.

I get back, and my MR-1 is still on. I forgot about it, and I was surprised that the battery had lasted so long.

So I unmount it, and unplug the USB cable, and it automatically shuts down.

I turn it on again, and then I get a "Battery Empty! Shut Down..."

I plug back the USB cable, and it fires up just fine, and mounts onto the computer as a hard drive.

With the MR-1 plugged via the USB cable, I unmount, exit USB mode, and return to the recording screen, and the battery charge icon is on!!

So far, the battery hasn't been charged via the USB cable (it's been plugged for hours and it still can't turn on if I disconnect the USB), but as long as it is connected with a USB cable, it powers just fine.

My question is: Is the DC power jack only to charge the battery, and can the unit be powered (but not charged) via USB?

Very strange....

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« Reply #123 on: June 18, 2009, 11:12:23 AM »
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #124 on: June 18, 2009, 03:01:16 PM »
I'm waiting for an updated MR1, MR2??? Something with longer battery life and maybe SD memory instead of a hard drive that is vulnerable to shock/handling.

Has anybody heard rumors of a new unit yet?

I love my R-09HR, but the possibility of DSD or double-DSD in my pocket is so aluring!

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #125 on: July 26, 2009, 03:54:23 AM »
http://www.powerstream.com/

Dude go to the above linked site buy that pack and NEVER worry about battery again!!!!
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #126 on: August 02, 2009, 11:19:24 AM »
Several people reporting success with CF in the MR-1:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/korg-mr-1-can-used-portable-player-425849/index10.html

They are using different CF's than I did, so maybe that is the secret for success. I'll try to get a 133x Transcend and report back.

That would be nice if it does work, because capacities are pretty high and affordable for CFs these days.



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« Reply #127 on: August 02, 2009, 08:49:11 PM »
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« Reply #128 on: August 04, 2009, 02:14:33 PM »
OK, so after doing some hunting around and PM'ing people who have had success with the CF mod, the issues with my attempts could be either the adapter and or card I am using.

1. The CF card is supposed to support "Fixed Disk Mode" but I can't find any info on the cards that I used on whether they do support it or not. The Transcend I ordered supports it, so I will find out then.

2. The adapter I used was a cheapo one, and some users have reported that it doesn't work when they try to use it to replace their iPod HDD. I ordered a new one that others have reported success, and hopefully that will come in the next couple of weeks.

Will report back on my results! I'm hopeful that this will work!



Several people reporting success with CF in the MR-1:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/korg-mr-1-can-used-portable-player-425849/index10.html

They are using different CF's than I did, so maybe that is the secret for success. I'll try to get a 133x Transcend and report back.

That would be nice if it does work, because capacities are pretty high and affordable for CFs these days.



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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #129 on: August 10, 2009, 07:36:36 PM »
Well after others had success using an SSD, I tried out the RunCore 32 GB SSD.

I had limited success. It hung at various points when trying to access the drive:

1. It will not format; it will attempt to do so, but it takes forever.

2. It hangs on Shutdown.

3. It hangs on Recording.

The SSD drive was blank when I bought it, and I couldn't format it by using the MR-1 (see problem #1). I was able to use the MR-1/SSD as a USB drive, so I could format it as a FAT32 drive by hooking it up to my computer. I then cloned my MR-1 drive using Acronis True Image, then restored the image onto the SSD. It was able boot up, then go to the recording screen.

Most functions were normal, such as browsing through the library and playback, however, pushing the Record button would hang the unit, and I had to push reset.

The other thing is that the SSD got quite warm during operation. It wasn't too hot to touch, but definitely warm.

Since I mainly use it to record concerts, so I guess I won't be using the SSD  :'(
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« Reply #130 on: August 13, 2009, 03:01:41 PM »
Success!!!

I tried Mtron 16 GB SSD, as this fellow used in his post:

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The main difference that I could see is that the R/W speeds for the Mtron are on par with the MR-1's Hitachi HDD (100 MB/s), whereas the RunCore is slower, at 60 MB/s. I didn't think it would make a difference because the PATA interface caps the bandwidth, but I was completely out of ideas.

I just installed it, formatted it in the MR-1 and it is absolutely seamless. I can record, playback, etc...

Edit: The SSD doesn't improve the battery life. I charged the battery all day, then last night, I set it to record line-in from my computer where I looped a concert. I recorded a DFF file, and it lasted 2.5 h!
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« Reply #131 on: August 14, 2009, 12:26:23 PM »
Why not use a CF card instead of a SSD drive?
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« Reply #132 on: August 14, 2009, 12:33:15 PM »
I'll be trying that. I have an ZIF > CF adapter that doesn't work with the MR-1. Others are using a different adapter, which I have ordered from DealExtreme, and should be here in the next week or so.

Will report back!

Why not use a CF card instead of a SSD drive?

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« Reply #133 on: August 14, 2009, 01:36:41 PM »
Several people reporting success with CF in the MR-1:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/korg-mr-1-can-used-portable-player-425849/index10.html

They are using different CF's than I did, so maybe that is the secret for success. I'll try to get a 133x Transcend and report back.

That would be nice if it does work, because capacities are pretty high and affordable for CFs these days.

Thanks for the link - sounds promising - also nice to see people are having success with 80GB HDD's in the MR-1 as well - That would allow you to record DSD for Festivals - with about a 28 hour record time!


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« Reply #134 on: August 27, 2009, 11:56:31 AM »
Success with the CF-mod!!

It turns out that the ZIF > CF adapter I used previously was crap! After success reported on head-fi.org, I tracked down the correct adapter and installed it. The price is about $20 on eBay, but if you are patient, you can get it from DealExtreme in Hong Kong for $6.30. It takes about 2-3 weeks:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11814

I tested it with a 133x 16 GB Transcend, and also an old PQI 2 GB card. Both worked!

Will do a battery test.

I'll be trying that. I have an ZIF > CF adapter that doesn't work with the MR-1. Others are using a different adapter, which I have ordered from DealExtreme, and should be here in the next week or so.

Will report back!

Why not use a CF card instead of a SSD drive?
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« Reply #135 on: August 28, 2009, 04:34:56 AM »
The good news is that the CF mod almost doubles the battery life. I managed to record nearly 5 hr.

The bad news is that during the extended recording, there is a problem writing the DSD files. When recording a DFF file, the recording is subdivided into multiple files of approximately 1 GB each (approx 25 min), accompanied by a PROJ file which Audiogate uses to merge the files.

To test the runtime of the battery, I set it to record audio from my computer, and let it go till the battery ran out. On this 4+ hr recording, about half of the files were corrupted, and the PROJ file was not usable.

I repeated a long recording, this time with the unit plugged into an AC adapter, and let it go for 3 hr, which is a reasonable time for a fairly long concert. When I stopped the recording, it gave me a "Disk Error" and again, half the files were corrupted, and the PROJ file couldn't be loaded by Audiogate.

 :(

I suspect the problem is that the CF card doesn't write the DSD stream fast enough. The 133x Transcend card I am using is rated at 21.5MB/sec whereas the HDD and SSD write at 100 MB/sec.

So the conclusion is that as a 1-bit recorder, the CF card doesn't pass the test, so I probably won't use it in the field.


Success with the CF-mod!!

It turns out that the ZIF > CF adapter I used previously was crap! After success reported on head-fi.org, I tracked down the correct adapter and installed it. The price is about $20 on eBay, but if you are patient, you can get it from DealExtreme in Hong Kong for $6.30. It takes about 2-3 weeks:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11814

I tested it with a 133x 16 GB Transcend, and also an old PQI 2 GB card. Both worked!

Will do a battery test.


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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #136 on: August 28, 2009, 09:03:35 AM »
No sweat, just get a 650X CF card.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #137 on: August 28, 2009, 09:19:41 AM »

I suspect the problem is that the CF card doesn't write the DSD stream fast enough. The 133x Transcend card I am using is rated at 21.5MB/sec whereas the HDD and SSD write at 100 MB/sec.

So the conclusion is that as a 1-bit recorder, the CF card doesn't pass the test, so I probably won't use it in the field.


Bummer....but I was thinking that a CF card wouldn't be able to write fast enough.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #138 on: August 28, 2009, 09:53:40 AM »
I suspect the problem is that the CF card doesn't write the DSD stream fast enough. The 133x Transcend card I am using is rated at 21.5MB/sec whereas the HDD and SSD write at 100 MB/sec.

Did you format the CF card in the MR-1 before you ran the test?  Random write performance of CF cards is usually very poor (much lower than the 21.5MB/sec quoted for sequental writes) - formating should defragment the volume and keep the writes sequental.  You can never just erase files or the volume will get fragmented.

I ran into these problems with CF fragmentation on a Sound Devices 702.  As long as a I formated the CF card at the beginning of each recording session I never had speed problems (even at 24/96Khz on a much slower card (rated at about 6.5 MB/sec write speed)).

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« Reply #139 on: August 28, 2009, 11:16:29 AM »
my understanding is that cf cards cannot write the data fast enough for dsd.  that is why korg used hard drives instead.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #140 on: August 28, 2009, 11:38:31 AM »
H2O --

Yep -- before each test, I cleared the CF card by formatting it within the MR-1.

I was thinking of testing whether the CF card is fast enough to reliably record at 24-bit/192Hz, 24/96, etc., or to test just how long of a recording the CF card can make. But at this point it's just out of curiosity. I bought the MR-1 to make 1-bit recordings.

Colin and deadheaded --

I kind of suspected that the CF card was too slow (guysonic brought that up in this thread), but after the success of using the CF-mod for playback (see the head-fi.org thread), my curiosity was driving me crazy to find out for myself.

At least I found out the answer. I am going to do the same tests with the SSD drive. I believe the 2.5 h recording I previously made was intact, but I don't think I tried reloading it into Audiogate. I will probably stick with the SSD, even though the battery life was not dramatically improved. Because other people have had problems with the HDD and possible write errors when moving around, the SSD will at least safeguard against that reported problem.


I suspect the problem is that the CF card doesn't write the DSD stream fast enough. The 133x Transcend card I am using is rated at 21.5MB/sec whereas the HDD and SSD write at 100 MB/sec.

Did you format the CF card in the MR-1 before you ran the test?  Random write performance of CF cards is usually very poor (much lower than the 21.5MB/sec quoted for sequental writes) - formating should defragment the volume and keep the writes sequental.  You can never just erase files or the volume will get fragmented.

I ran into these problems with CF fragmentation on a Sound Devices 702.  As long as a I formated the CF card at the beginning of each recording session I never had speed problems (even at 24/96Khz on a much slower card (rated at about 6.5 MB/sec write speed)).



my understanding is that cf cards cannot write the data fast enough for dsd.  that is why korg used hard drives instead.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #141 on: August 28, 2009, 04:33:32 PM »
Thanks for testing.  Keep up the good work!
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #142 on: August 28, 2009, 05:29:46 PM »
hmmm, wouldn´t have a Sandisk Extreme 4 enough speed to handle DSD steams? I mean it promises more than 40 MB/s...

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« Reply #143 on: August 28, 2009, 06:01:15 PM »
I think these new fast cards use UDMA technology, which I have no idea what that means, but you need devices that are UDMA compatible in order to achieve those read/write speeds, and I'm not sure if these ZIF > CF adapters handle that.

I do have a 4 GB 300x UDMA Lexar card (http://store.lexar.com/?productid=CF4GB-300-381) that I can try, but it is a bit small to do the extended test. I think it will only record under 2 hr. I'll try it and if the files are corrupted, it will mean that these fast cards won't work for whatever reason. If everything goes fine, that will open the possibility that these fast cards could work, but I will have to get my hands on a 8 or even 16 GB CF.

Edit: My adapter apparently supports UDMA. It is the same one as in this pic:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Compact-Flash-CF-To-Toshiba-CE-1-8-ZIF-Adapter_W0QQitemZ220468721260QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Components?hash=item3354f5b66c&_trksid=p4999.c0.m14

I'll test it out now and report back (in < 2 h!)  ;D

hmmm, wouldn´t have a Sandisk Extreme 4 enough speed to handle DSD steams? I mean it promises more than 40 MB/s...
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #144 on: August 28, 2009, 06:05:00 PM »
I would think modern CF cards would be fast enough, but you never know.

I know 1bit 2.8Mhz DSD file sizes are about 2.4GB per hour where as 24/96 files are about 2GB per hour and a 24/192 is about 4GB per hour.  I would think a CF card that runs over 10MBps would be more than enough to handle DSD streams. 

I would think a 1bit 2.8Mhz DSD 2 channel DSD stream would be around 0.68 MBps (or about 3Mbps)
 
Right as you say maybe the bottle neck is elsewhere.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #145 on: August 29, 2009, 12:16:07 AM »
My 300x UDMA card doesn't work. I recorded 1.5 h, and it had the same problem.

At this point, it could be the adapter, or it can just be that CF cards aren't compatible. I agree with H2O that it should be fast enough, so I'm not a techie to figure out what else could be going on.

Just from doing all these tests, my failed attempts, ie., the RunCore SSD and the CF-mod shared the common feature that they have slower write speeds than the Mtron SSD or Hitachi drive. I guess the other common feature is that they are cheap parts sourced in Asia too, so I'm not sure what kind of standards they are adhering to, or what kind of QC is going on.


I would think modern CF cards would be fast enough, but you never know.

I know 1bit 2.8Mhz DSD file sizes are about 2.4GB per hour where as 24/96 files are about 2GB per hour and a 24/192 is about 4GB per hour.  I would think a CF card that runs over 10MBps would be more than enough to handle DSD streams. 

I would think a 1bit 2.8Mhz DSD 2 channel DSD stream would be around 0.68 MBps (or about 3Mbps)
 
Right as you say maybe the bottle neck is elsewhere.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #146 on: August 29, 2009, 03:44:33 AM »
hmmm...Thanks for the info. I would like to get rid of the "noisy"drive.  :'(

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #147 on: September 20, 2009, 04:31:33 AM »
Dunno if someone has mentioned: firmware 1.6 is available.  :)

http://www.korg.co.uk/products/digital_recording/mr/dr_mr1.asp
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #148 on: July 07, 2010, 08:07:22 PM »
Has anyone tried the following SSD in the MR-1?


http://www.kingspec.com/solid-state-disk-products/ssd-18zif-mlcs.htm

http://www.memoryc.com/storage/solidstatedisk/32gbkingspeczif40pin.html

Looking at the wattage it looks like it may pull slightly more power then the HDD currently installed.


They are starting to get cheap enough to look at as a viable replacement for the stock HDD.


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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #149 on: July 07, 2010, 08:56:10 PM »
Dunno if someone has mentioned: firmware 1.6 is available.  :)

http://www.korg.co.uk/products/digital_recording/mr/dr_mr1.asp

Updated Audiogate software too.  Includes FLAC support
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #150 on: July 08, 2010, 07:39:46 AM »
doesn't the new Korg recorder dump files to HDSD ? 
are CF speeds slower ?   
Just wondering if doing a MOD to the MR1 and utilizing a different chip will work.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #151 on: July 08, 2010, 08:46:12 AM »
Updated Audiogate software too.  Includes FLAC support


The FLAC support is nice as I convert down to 24/88.2 and the files are just at 2GB for the past few shows I have done.  I then just pull them straight into CD-Wave slice and save as FLAC as well.


No FLAC frontend, etc - just Audiogate and CD-WAVE is all you need now.

 

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