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HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« on: October 29, 2007, 02:36:41 PM »
Which hi def dvd player to buy with a display that doesn't support 1080p? I see Toshiba has an inexpensive HD DVD player that does up tp 1080i. My 42 in. Hitachi is only a couple years old and not ready to buy a new display yet.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 04:52:59 PM »
its ill in which movies you think are the best.  there are quite a few that are coming out on only blu-ray or only hd-dvd.  you may want to hold off on getting something just yet....the multi format players will be dropping in price for Christmas.  i like blu-ray as lionsgate puts out almost all their new stuff on blu-ray.   picture wise I don't see any difference. 
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 05:51:27 PM »
They're basically the same thing when it comes to how the movies look and sound.  I prefer HD DVD due to my views on Sony, and so far I haven't had a movie come out on Blu-Ray to make me regret that decision. 

But Sears is going to have the Toshiba HD-A3 on sale for $169.99 on Black Friday, if that sways your decision at all (and it comes with Bourne Identity and 300 in the box).
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2007, 06:03:28 PM »
I understand the differences between the 2 formats. My problem is my TV. I don't have a 1080p set. 720p is all I have for now and the big box retailers keep telling me a purchase of a hi def DVD player, either format, is a waste.

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2007, 08:22:56 PM »
Big box retailers are dead wrong.  They just want to sell you an expensive TV with their loss-leading HD player. ;)
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2007, 09:15:28 AM »
Big box retailers are dead wrong.  They just want to sell you an expensive TV with their loss-leading HD player. ;)

I tend to agree with you on that. However a salesperson at Crutchfield put it this way, "Why spend 25-30 bucks on the movies when you can set your current DVD player (Denon 2910) to upconvert (proper term?) your SD DVD's to 720p". Or something like that. And he didn't try to sell me a 1080p display.

So the way I see it is, Blu Ray is out until I get a 1080p display and HD DVD is questionable based on the above statement. Yea or nay ??? Which leads me to my next question. Is 720p better than 1080i?

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2007, 09:48:15 AM »
But Sears is going to have the Toshiba HD-A3 on sale for $169.99 on Black Friday, if that sways your decision at all (and it comes with Bourne Identity and 300 in the box).

I have had my eye on this unit, $299 at Best Buy when not on sale.  Do you think Best Buy will honor Sears Black Friday price?  I have a $125 in gift card money from BB and $0 from Sears.

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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2007, 09:51:39 AM »
I am in on the Blu-Ray side as the capacity of Blu-Ray is better

Blu-Ray supports 25GB per layer with a maximum of 8 layers for 200GB (only disc's with upto 2 layers are currently avail - I have no idea if you will need a new player when the number of layers go above 2)

HD-DVD supports only 15GB per layer with a maximum of 2 layers for 30 GB (a new addition to the format is currently being developed to push to 3 layers at around 45GB)

This doesn'y mean that Blu-Ray has better picture than HD-DVD, but to me it means that the technology at least from a storage perspective would potentially have a longer lifecycle.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2007, 09:56:16 AM »
for me bluray has more movies that i would like including concerts
but at the store (as i don't own one yet) i can not see a difference between blu or hd

imo if you have a upconvert player that does a nice job, as i do there is no need to pay big bucks for a new player
i would hold off and wait for a sale like black friday or longer for price drops

speaking of black friday, i don't know about where you guys are but around me you need to get there at least by midnight to get anything decent and thats hoping you get out of the store alive and also not jumped in the parking lot
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2007, 10:27:37 AM »
speaking of black friday, i don't know about where you guys are but around me you need to get there at least by midnight to get anything decent and thats hoping you get out of the store alive and also not jumped in the parking lot

The top 2 stores for Black Friday are Wal-Mart and Best Buy.  Best Buy does vouchers, or at least mine did, at about 5:00 AM or so.  Employees walk down the line and you get a voucher for the item you need to buy and then can come back later in the day to pick it up. (like a same day rain check with no $ down).  The only problem is that if you want the $300 laptop or whatever the "top" item will be, the store quantity is limited, so people have to camp out for those items.  My store allows you to set up a tent next to the building. 

Wal-Mart was a piece of cake. 24 hour shop, so they put all the ad items out in the freight aisles with poly-wap around the skids of products, then at 5:00 AM employees removed the poly-wrap and everyone dives in for what they need.

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2007, 10:30:14 AM »
I picked up the Toshiba HD-A30 last night at Best Buy...they have this promotion going right now:

Their promo: 9 free movies

2 in Box (300 + Bourne Identity) + 2 Your choice in Store + 5 Mail In Movies




At $20-25 a movie thats $180-$225 worth of HD-HVDs.

The player was 399.99....figure in about 225.00 worth of free movies and it turns into a nice deal.

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2007, 11:55:37 AM »
I picked up the Toshiba HD-A30 last night at Best Buy...they have this promotion going right now:

Their promo: 9 free movies

2 in Box (300 + Bourne Identity) + 2 Your choice in Store + 5 Mail In Movies




At $20-25 a movie thats $180-$225 worth of HD-HVDs.

The player was 399.99....figure in about 225.00 worth of free movies and it turns into a nice deal.

  Tommy

That is a good deal.  I was thinking about buying an xbox hddvd drive cause you get heroes + 2 free instore movies + 5 free by mail.  heroes on HD is $100 just by itself.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2007, 07:43:11 PM »
I am in on the Blu-Ray side as the capacity of Blu-Ray is better

Blu-Ray supports 25GB per layer with a maximum of 8 layers for 200GB (only disc's with upto 2 layers are currently avail - I have no idea if you will need a new player when the number of layers go above 2)

HD-DVD supports only 15GB per layer with a maximum of 2 layers for 30 GB (a new addition to the format is currently being developed to push to 3 layers at around 45GB)

This doesn'y mean that Blu-Ray has better picture than HD-DVD, but to me it means that the technology at least from a storage perspective would potentially have a longer lifecycle.

That is simply not true.  Blu-Ray doesn't have a single disc outside of the labs bigger than 50gb.  Toshiba's 51gb HD DVD discs have been fully approved by the HD DVD board and should see release soon after consumer testing.  The expectation is that all HD DVD players will be able to play these newer, higher than Blu-Ray capacity discs with a simple firmware update (which is easy on HD DVD, since an ethernet connection is required in the spec).

Both companies are working on multi-layer huge capacity discs, but they're still in R&D labs. 
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2007, 08:11:40 AM »

imo if you have a upconvert player that does a nice job, as i do there is no need to pay big bucks for a new player
i would hold off and wait for a sale like black friday or longer for price drops



That was the point of this thread. Since I do not have a 1080p display but do have an upconvert capable DVD player, why spend the money on hi def DVDs and a new HD player. It seems that Blu Ray definitely needs the 1080p display to make it worth it, but there are some who think that a 720p display with HD DVD will provide a big jump in pic quality over my current setup which is Denon 2910>Hitachi 720p. Would just like some more input here before I go running around spending more money :P


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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2007, 09:21:04 AM »
At my Best Buy, they sat me in front of Batman Returns (non-HD) and then they threw in the HD release and I watched the same scene and there was a vast difference in quality, but I was watching it on either 1080i or more likely 1080p.  If I were you, I would go to a store and have them do a demo for you with something similar to your setup.
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