Topic: Schoeps CCM2S > V3 > MT vs. MR-1

[BC]

I'll shit if A is the Korg.

Why? Every digital signal starts its life as DSD and ends up as whatever you convert it to.
Noam

  Are you sure about this? Even high-res PCM starts as DSD? Seems strange to me.

[SClassical]

do you use an attenuator between the V3 and Korg?

Yes I did ... because the signal is so high it is a must.

[SClassical]

Interesting listening.  Thanks for posting!  I've not made up my mind yet - need to listen more to familiarize myself with the content as my ears/brain are not accustomed to lisetning critically to recordings of acoustic instruments.

FYI, your V3's digital outputs are inverted relative to your analog outputs (or vice versa).  This is a known issue and Grace will fix under warranty.

But the strange thing is when I format my CF and reboot my MT, the channels are okay. So I'm thinking it might be my MT which is the problem.

[BC]

Interesting listening.  Thanks for posting!  I've not made up my mind yet - need to listen more to familiarize myself with the content as my ears/brain are not accustomed to lisetning critically to recordings of acoustic instruments.

FYI, your V3's digital outputs are inverted relative to your analog outputs (or vice versa).  This is a known issue and Grace will fix under warranty.

But the strange thing is when I format my CF and reboot my MT, the channels are okay. So I'm thinking it might be my MT which is the problem.

Dunno if this is related, but I noticed getting inverted polarity after dithering my 24/44.1 files down in SF6 using waves L2. Unfortunately I have been lazy and didn't do any troubleshooting on this issue.

[Brian Skalinder]

FYI, your V3's digital outputs are inverted relative to your analog outputs (or vice versa).  This is a known issue and Grace will fix under warranty.

But the strange thing is when I format my CF and reboot my MT, the channels are okay. So I'm thinking it might be my MT which is the problem.

Not sure I was clear.  I've seen an occasional L/R channel swap with my old MT, but always identified it easy enough.  In this case, it isn't that the channels are swapped L and R, but the polarity of the digital outputs (both L and R) relative to the analog outputs (both L and R).  See attached pics and circled "peaks" as a reference:  in testing1 the left (top) channel "bunch" of peaks point up, right (bottom) channel peak points down;  in testing2, the opposite:  the left (top) channel "bunch" of peaks point down, right (bottom) channel peak points up.  Not really an issue unless you try to mix the V3's digital output with its analog output routed through another ADC.

[Nick's Picks]

B 3 - 1
BINGO!!!
PM me the answer, i'm dyin.  I wont blow it.

[noam]

At the risk of making a total fool of myself, I heard no difference on the speakers. I saved the files and burned a CD. On headphones (digi out>Benchmark DAC1> Sennheiser HD600) I thought there was a tiny-tiny-tiny difference initially, that B was muddier on SOME notes. But after switching back and forth a dozen times I lost any ability to hear any difference. I compare recordings all the time and if there is a difference here it is less than subtle. I would have liked to hear this at the original resolution.

Noam

[WiFiJeff]

One thing to note, we are not really comparing the V3 > MT with just the V3 (analogue) > MR-1, but with V3 (analogue) > MR-1 > Audiogate conversion to pcm.  Are the files from the MR-1 (in any of the DSD formats) playable and convertable on the Tascam DSD machine, and what sort of a job does that machine do on the pcm conversions?  Has anyone been able to run them through a high-end DSD editor?

Jeff

[SClassical]

Tonight I will post the results of this poll so if you haven't listened to the tracks/posted a vote by today, you will not be able to vote after tonight. Hope you can vote because the more vote the better even though you cannot hear the diference between the 2 tracks. Thanks everyone for your time. 

[sygdwm]

i prefer b. i, too, would like to hear the original files, but i understand thats not really possible. i guess a=mr1 and b=mt but i have no basis for this.

[SClassical]

So here is the results:
 
Before the time of posting the results there were 20 votes all together.

15 people liked B (2 of which also liked A and cannot tell the difference) vs. 6 people liked A (2 of which also liked B and cannot tell the difference)

13 people prefered B vs. 4 people prefered A

AND:
1 person did not like the sound of Schoeps>V3 !!!


A is V3>MR-1 (V3 preamp only)
B is MT (direct digital feed from V3)

[Nick's Picks]

and that kills me to think I heard such a great difference between the two.  I liked B for all the reasons listed, and knew that I'd be looking at the PCM copy for some reason.  Just my luck.

I still like my DSD recorder though.
go figure !

these tests just prove that we should all be using any' ol thing we want to record with and that reaching for the gold ring...., well...you know how that ends.  something about it just slips away when I try.

[WiFiJeff]

and that kills me to think I heard such a great difference between the two.  I liked B for all the reasons listed, and knew that I'd be looking at the PCM copy for some reason.  Just my luck.

I still like my DSD recorder though.
go figure !

these tests just prove that we should all be using any' ol thing we want to record with and that reaching for the gold ring...., well...you know how that ends.  something about it just slips away when I try.

It's a nifty little machine, feels great, and MAYBE it'll be as good as the V3 if they fix AudioGate (or one of us buys the $$multi$K DSD editing software that makes it sound as good as the V3) (ps and just tell me that there is such software and I'll spend my gold ring fund on it).

Jeff

[mmedley.]

Thanks again for the comp.

[noahbickart]

The fact that so many of us who prefered B (I was one) noted that it was, ideed, very close, says a great deal aboutt he quality of the MR-1.

-Noah