Topic: DPA 4061 vs. AT ES943/O (SP-CMC-8 omnis) - a real-world comparison

[echo1434]

As I said in the first Post  O=AT E = DPA

your first post doesn't say anything like that............

Ok here
My Bias is going to DPA better defined top end, wider Stereo image. The AT jumps more in the face and is more hollow, with the DPA `s you can go deeper into the soundstructure, because its not sticking all thogether. 
 O=AT first on the MP3  E = DPA second on the MP3 in the Tread above. Was not clear?

To be honest, it could have been a lot clearer. 

[headroom]

Yes and sorry, but its good to have an exchange...
The DPA 40XX are the finest mics on the planet. But sometimes people loking for a special sound and not for somthing neutral. Thats why Sound Studios use different mics for different sources. Also the placement of the mic is ver very important, outside its much easier with omnis. Our brain/ear is subjective and can filter zoom and blend out a lot, wich mics dont do they are simply objective related on pure physic laws. Measuring you can done only the static parts of the Hologram (Sound) 25 parameters  but our ear/brain can do  over 100 at real time. This is  important to survive. Not be hitten by a falling rock, hit by a car, a huntig tiger .... Music is far from static, its very alive and complex. With Micro and Macrostructures, Texture, Dynamic Attack Rise and Fall. A picture you can edit nearly every part of a picture its very simpe with Photoshop.  With sound its different, we can only edit the whole package.
Decoding Listening has to do with awarness be awake and not sleepy. Training is needed to go deeper. We have done some listening test (4006+ 4060 )where we placed the ears exactly at the some spot whre the mics have been. also the mounting of the mic must b so thin as possible. Even the fat 4003 beside the 4060 is a thing in thye way. But for ther recordibng we do we use this rules wit as less plastic metal in the Signal way. Cotton sleeves over cryogenic silverwire, striped off electrolithics, and as big as possible fat Sonneschein akkus. For a player we use  255 AH Thunder. And for clean powersupply 2 phases out of 380 Volt with a transformator.
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[headroom]

And here on this System Arbelos is my HIFI GURU on his setup we do the lisenting tests.
I dont give my 5 Cent to Audio engenieers, but to the Musicians when they heare themself on this setup . This is the Landmark for me.
But I do read and try to understand from people with ears and not fixed concepts like Barry Diament

http://www.barrydiamentaudio.com/recording1.htm

System of Arbelos
http://db.AudioAsylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=systems&n=3210&highlight=arbelos&r=

Her we do recordings+ and  a steinway wich was picked fro a bunch of 20 pianos

http://wartegg.ch/index.php?do=kultur&ws=9f96f83442ddef0233cc79fc49531475

AUDIO NIRVANA is here but cost a leg and and arm

http://www.audio-consulting.ch/

Recordings

http://www.boenicke-audio.ch/

My nearfiled Speakers

http://www.eclipse-td.com/e03_concept/mov.html

[headroom]

E or A ?  Wich is wich Microphone ?

[headroom]

Mrre resources...

DPA-4060 vs DPA-4006 The Battle, recording made by Onno and Gaston

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/remote-possibilities-acoustic-music-location-recording/185724-dpa-4060-vs-dpa-4006-battle-recording-made-onno-gaston.html

Audio In Close Up - Which Lavalier Should I Use? A Comparison of Sixteen Popular Wired Lavalier Microphones

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/lavs_brockett.html

DPA4060 for ensemble + live sound

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/remote-possibilities-acoustic-music-location-recording/88222-dpa4060-ensemble-live-sound.html

[echo1434]

e: low frequency deeper and warmer (people that don't like that sound might call it slightly muddy), highs seem fairly natural
o: more mid/high clarity, but at the expense of a natural sound....

My guess:
E:DPA
O:943

Well, this was everyone's guess (5 total).

And you may all be surprised to learn that this is wrong!

E = AT
O = DPA

So according to the above post, ATs sound more "natural" than DPAs. 

Anyway, it seems everyone was fairly convinced that "E" was the DPA version — and that DPAs were better with their obviously distinct sound. Well, how about that? 

Alright, I do realize there is *some* difference between the two recordings, but it's really not very significant. And no, I wasn't recording the best-sounding concert ever. But really, how many times is someone in an absolutely perfect situation like that?

I have some other things to say in response to the above comments, but I'll save them for another time. I just thought some people might be hungry for the results.

For me, I really wouldn't care which mics I use for recording a typical rock show. At the moment I'm still using my DPAs as my omni rig, part of the reason simply being because they were my first mics and have more sentimental value to me. But if something went wrong with them, I wouldn't feel the least bit bad for using ATs instead.

[Javier Cinakowski]

Not really a shocker... 

As far as the natural comments go, perhaps the sound at the show really sucked...

[Belexes]

 

I'm glad I have the 943 omni caps.  Thanks for the results.

[audBall]

The 943 omnis were great when I had my set.......fav capsule in the bunch.  It was closely followed by 853 subcards w/ adapter.  I had every cap (except the shotgun) that fit the 943s and the omnis got used more than anything.

[MJ]

AT943 bodies + AT853 Omni caps with adaptors sounds pretty good as well.
I bought adaptors for $15 and AT853 omnis for $50 from other tapers at Yard Sale.  The cheapest but the most noticeable upgrade I’ve ever experienced

[echo1434]

AT943 bodies + AT853 Omni caps with adaptors sounds pretty good as well.
I bought adaptors for $15 and AT853 omnis for $50 from other tapers at Yard Sale.  The cheapest but the most noticeable upgrade I’ve ever experienced

Yep, I imagine that would be a nice setup too. I have the AT853 subcard caps, and they're awesome

The only thing about the 853s is they're kind of big. I really wouldn't want to go any bigger for stealth purposes. But they're manageable...

[Belexes]

The only thing about the 853s is they're kind of big. I really wouldn't want to go any bigger for stealth purposes. But they're manageable...

It's not too bad when you have 943 bodies with the adapters for the larger 853 caps.

I always wondered about something.  Is there a difference, say, between a 943 body/853 cap combination versus the 853 body/cap?  I have both.

[headroom]

Its clear  for me to now.
Everthing exept non Amplified Acustic type the ATs are great great Miks!
Cheap and clever,  Modular good fat rich sound. But still I say its a big difference in the Sound between DPA and AT. Its not day and night, I was to sharp. But its no way nearly the same sound.

MT830R Omnidirectional Condenser Lavalier Microphone
But this have better specs for quieter sounds S/N 70 db and  19mV Output

[illconditioned]

^^^ I don't like the source.  Too much bass.  Maybe that is how it sounded at the venue, but I would cut the bass to make it listenable.  I think we're going to hear the difference in a more balanced signal.

Oh yeah, where's the banjo . Maybe I'm too burnt out for rock and roll.

  Richard

[MJ]

The only thing about the 853s is they're kind of big. I really wouldn't want to go any bigger for stealth purposes. But they're manageable...

It's not too bad when you have 943 bodies with the adapters for the larger 853 caps.

I always wondered about something.  Is there a difference, say, between a 943 body/853 cap combination versus the 853 body/cap?  I have both.

If you have both of AT943s and AT853, you might have an idea how it sounds.
With AT943s you could get a very clean mid high but not much low end while you could get far more low but not much clear mid-high with AT853s.  So you get AT943 bodies & AT853 caps, you can get a very clean mid-high with a lot more low ( not as much as those of AT853 bodies & caps).

Here is samples for you.  I know these are not best recordings but it might give you an idea.

(1)   AT943s bodies + AT853 omni caps > Denecke PS2 > Sony DAT TCD-D100
https://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBRK3BLa0RRR2ZIRGc9PQ
(2)   DPA4061 > Church Audio Pre > Korg Mr-1
https://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBRK3BLa0RrYUNGa1E9PQ

(1)   AT943s bodies + AT853 card caps (XY)> Church Audio Pre > Korg Mr-1
https://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBRK3BLa0RwTVZMWEE9PQ

(2)   Audix M1280 card (XY) > Fostex FR-LE2 Oade HD Mod
https://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBRK3BLa0RWRDkzZUE9PQ

I turned up the volume but did not EQ nor normalize the sound volume of these recordings.  No compression nor no EQ.