Topic: mics $400 or less?

[harmon712]

Good choice. I have had mine for a year now and love them. Made some great pulls with them, and they price point versus they quality they deliver is a great value. I am sure you will enjoy them! 

I power mine using a Naiant Tinybox, are you powering them with a preamp or from your recorder?

I was thinking about a Lunatec V3 if I can find one.  Might have to look into something else and maybe start with just the recorder.

[Marshall7]

I don't know why, if you have that kind of money to spend, you would limit yourself to $400 for the mics, yet spend $800+ for a V3.  I love my V3, but you could definitely get more expensive mics and get the Naiant Tinybox (which I also own and love ).

[harmon712]

I have no idea what to get for a preamp.

[harmon712]

ART USB Dual Pre?

[2manyrocks]

The Church Audio and Naiant preamps appear to have a more loyal following on TS. 

[harmon712]

Good choice. I have had mine for a year now and love them. Made some great pulls with them, and they price point versus they quality they deliver is a great value. I am sure you will enjoy them! 

I power mine using a Naiant Tinybox, are you powering them with a preamp or from your recorder?

What kind of cables would I need for Busman BSC1 > Naiant Tinybox > Zoom H4n?

[Phil Zone]

ART USB Dual Pre?

I have one, they are actually very nice for the price. I have some lma recordings with them and I have had great success with it!

[colinw]

Good choice. I have had mine for a year now and love them. Made some great pulls with them, and they price point versus they quality they deliver is a great value. I am sure you will enjoy them! 

I power mine using a Naiant Tinybox, are you powering them with a preamp or from your recorder?

What kind of cables would I need for Busman BSC1 > Naiant Tinybox > Zoom H4n?

When I bought my TinyBox from Naiant, I got two cables - one that has an end with mini XLR to plug into the Tinybox, and left/right regualr XLRs which plug into the Busman bsc1 bodies. This cable allows the Tinybox to provide P48 phantom power to the mics and power them. The second cable is a mini XLR for the Tinybox end and terminated to a 3.5mm stereo miniplug female, which I use to plug in the smaller Church Audio CA14s. This cable lowers the voltage and supplies the CA mics with about 9v to operate.

When you order a Tinybox you can get the cables you need from them as well.

The recorder I use has only 3.5mm inputs, so I use a 3.5 mm output on the TInybox and use a short 3.5 > 3.5 miniplug cable to connect the recorder to line or mic in. For your H4n I think you have miniplug and XLR ins, so you may need a different configuration of tinybox to output XLR? Jon at Naiant can let you know what you need.

[chinariderstl]

There is a sweet Naiant Littlebox in the Yard Sale for ~$300.  I ran a Littlebox for many years and loved it.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=164732.0

There is also a Denecke PS-2 in the YS for $100.

Either should treat you right.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=162742.0

You can also likely find an Edirol UA-5 in the YS or on eBay.  A lot of people used those for a long time.  Busman and the Oade Brothers modded a lot of them.

Here is a UA-5 on eBay for $75.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Edirol-Audio-Capture-UA-5-24bit-96kHz-USB-Audio-Interface-USED-/360751810043

HTH

[cashandkerouac]

Good choice. I have had mine for a year now and love them. Made some great pulls with them, and they price point versus they quality they deliver is a great value. I am sure you will enjoy them! 

I power mine using a Naiant Tinybox, are you powering them with a preamp or from your recorder?

What kind of cables would I need for Busman BSC1 > Naiant Tinybox > Zoom H4n?

When I bought my TinyBox from Naiant, I got two cables - one that has an end with mini XLR to plug into the Tinybox, and left/right regualr XLRs which plug into the Busman bsc1 bodies. This cable allows the Tinybox to provide P48 phantom power to the mics and power them. The second cable is a mini XLR for the Tinybox end and terminated to a 3.5mm stereo miniplug female, which I use to plug in the smaller Church Audio CA14s. This cable lowers the voltage and supplies the CA mics with about 9v to operate.

When you order a Tinybox you can get the cables you need from them as well.

The recorder I use has only 3.5mm inputs, so I use a 3.5 mm output on the TInybox and use a short 3.5 > 3.5 miniplug cable to connect the recorder to line or mic in. For your H4n I think you have miniplug and XLR ins, so you may need a different configuration of tinybox to output XLR? Jon at Naiant can let you know what you need.

if you go the Tinybox route i highly reccomend the P48 dual XLR > 6-pin mini XLR adapter.  it works great.

[SmokinJoe]

Touching base on your OP, I think most people's opinion are AT933 series (aka CMC8) mics offer no improvement over the AT853 mics, and many people prefer the sound of 853's over 933's.  I just wanted to point that out.  Original AT853's with phantom adapters and 25' cables actually sound great, and they are cheap.... I've bought them on ebay for as little as $50 each, and I still run them some times.  If you run them into the 1/8" jack you'll probably want the 4.7k mod which has been explained many times on this board.  If you run them by phantom adapters you don't need that.  you could make them "convertible", running with phantom adapters, or with a 4.7K Y-cable.

Someone asked "why not use mics on the XLR's and feed the board via 1/8?"  We have a local taper who also runs FOH (Davis) and he does that with his H4n.  The 1/8" input won't take a hot signal, he tells me he has to back his feed off by about 50db compared to what he would normally give the rest of us for a feed.  Since he is running the board, he adjusts the feed accordingly and runs mics on his XLR's.  Without that control, you'll want heavy attenuation.

Just my 2 cents worth.  And another vote for the AKG 391's.

[chinariderstl]

Just my 2 cents worth.  And another vote for the AKG 391's.

I have to agree here.  My first "real" set of mics were AKG SE300B / CK91's (aka 391's) and I loved (and still) love them.  I was lucky enough to score a mint set in the Yard Sale for about $400.

[obaaron]

ditto on the akg se300b's I love mine.  If you can squeeze out another $100 you can get a set of 391's with the active cables for $250 each (OBO) on ebay...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AKG-CK91-Cadioid-Mic-with-SE300-B-Power-Supply-and-Extension-Cable-C391-B-/261251590917?pt=US_Pro_Audio_Microphones&hash=item3cd3ceeb05

This is an unreal deal IMO...and you can also grab a set of ck93's (hypers) and ck92's (onmis) down the road as well. 

Also, for the Zoom H4N I would use the 1/4" ins on the device.   Tinybox will have an 1/8" stereo out in which case you would need a 1/8" stereo to dual 1/4" cable for the H4N.  Run this all the time works great.  You also have the option to just go XLR in to the Zoom until you find a great deal on a preamp

[chinariderstl]

That link didn't work, per se.  This should take you there.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261251590917

I would agree, this is *one hell of a deal*!!

If you are not in the know, "actives" make for an easier set up and tear down.  Rather than running full-sized mics, with bodies, you only run the capsules (aka caps) in the air.  I have gone "active" and it makes all the difference.

This is one hell of a deal.  Nothing against the Busman mics, but I would take these any day of the week!

HTH

[harmon712]

I'm going to save the money and get the mics first then figure out the preamp after I get the mics.