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Offline Nick Graham

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MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« on: May 26, 2005, 10:57:49 AM »
Got my first chance to run the MK21s last night, and have absolutely fallen in love...

It was in a less than ideal setting for subcards - a small chatty bar with horrible acoustics. I kept thinking the whole time "what am I doing? this is a horrible setting for these caps". I was clamped to the balcony, which is actually only about 5 feet from the stage and about 10 feet up. When you clamp to the part of the rail just above the floor the mics are pretty much straight on with the PA.

Got home, threw the tape in expecting the worst...I was floored! The sound is so full, so natural, like it's engulfing you for lack of a better description. Not brittle like hypers can tend to be, and not flat sounding like a lot of straight card tapes, just phenomenal.

Yeah the PA was shitty, the crowd was a bunch of morons, etc. - but what a wonderful reproduction of said shitty PA and moronic audience. Throw these in front of a real sound system...holy shit.

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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2005, 11:02:15 AM »
cool, i will be runing mine for the first time this weekend

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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2005, 11:15:39 AM »
hmmm...maybe i should pick up a set of those mbho wide cards... :hmmm:

and a figure of 8, maybe some omnis, shit they make those ld's too...  :-X better stop now before i get myself in trouble.
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2005, 11:31:30 AM »
i only have 1 mk21fob tape from the centrum in Worcester...unreal soundstage!  i definitely like those from the little bit i have heard!
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2005, 12:16:24 PM »
while i LOVE the mk21 sound.  I dont like NOS.
no image.
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2005, 03:11:07 PM »
Quote from: Nick's Picks on May 26, 2005, 12:16:24 PM
while i LOVE the mk21 sound. I dont like NOS.
no image.

That was one of the things I liked, seemed to have plenty of image/space...different ears I guess.

What were your experiences running the MK21s? Would you recommend DIN? DINa? ORTF?

I'm willing to try everything to see what sounds best.
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2005, 03:23:22 PM »
how many times did you run subcards NOS and it what enviroinment?  i only ran it 3 times and thought the results were fabulous.  the acoustic set from panic 10-5-03 is one of the best tapes i pulled in my short but illustrious taping career.
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2005, 03:50:43 PM »
Quote from: Nick Graham on May 26, 2005, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Nick's Picks on May 26, 2005, 12:16:24 PM
while i LOVE the mk21 sound. I dont like NOS.
no image.

That was one of the things I liked, seemed to have plenty of image/space...different ears I guess.

What were your experiences running the MK21s? Would you recommend DIN? DINa? ORTF?

I'm willing to try everything to see what sounds best.

try the nos bar,
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2005, 03:54:36 PM »
NOS hands down IMO 8)
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2005, 04:06:53 PM »
Quote from: sonicsoundiii on May 26, 2005, 03:54:36 PM
NOS hands down IMO 8)

i will be running them this weekend for the first time.  i will let you know how i made out.  sam congrats on the tubes. 
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2005, 04:18:25 PM »
Quote from: jmerin on May 26, 2005, 03:50:43 PM
try the nos bar,

I did...hence the response from Nick's Picks.

I'm just curious what config he felt gave better imaging, as I definitely wanna try it out after being so impressed with the MK21s in NOS.
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2005, 04:44:56 PM »
one of the best MK21 tapes I have ever heard, drums sound unfuckinbelievable on this one!!!  :D

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=1363

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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2005, 04:55:10 PM »
Quote from: BC on May 26, 2005, 04:44:56 PM
one of the best MK21 tapes I have ever heard, drums sound unfuckinbelievable on this one!!! :D

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=1363



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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2005, 04:56:30 PM »
Quote from: sonicsoundiii on May 26, 2005, 03:54:36 PM
NOS hands down IMO 8)

Depends on band, location and room. I've had good results with nos, ortf (onstage) and split.
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Re: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2005, 05:05:41 PM »
I've only run them once, and it was in a perfect environment.  I just didn't like the way things wer laid out. 
Namely WSP 4-12-05.  I like the soundstange characteristics of the baffled 4060s I ran on the same stand much better.  The tone and balance of the mk21 NOS source is superb.  I just dont like the presentation.

I've run sub-cards on various stereo mics...all coincident, gazillions of times.
Thats the way I like it.  Instead of running a wide XY w/cards, I prefer the 90deg w/subs.  I dont know how the schoeps would sound this way.  I've always heard that they are harsh XY.  That is how I wanted to run them originaly, but I had the KWON bar at my disposal so I gave it a shot.  Wish I would have just ran the full bodies and went XY, jus to see.

I'm contemplating the Peluso sub-cards XY tonight for Charlie Hunter.  But I wanted to try the mics out ORTF and will probably stick w/the cards.  We'll see.  :)

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