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Microtech Gefell M20's> Nbob KCY> Naiant PFA(60V)> Sound Devices Mixpre-6

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2016, 09:08:12 PM »
http://naiant.com/studio-electronics-products/inline-devices/ipa-flexible-power-inline-amplifier/

Thanks buddy 8)

EDIT: I cant tell through browsing, but this can be powered with Phantom Power of my 70d XLR Inputs ??? Or do I need an external powering option? I was going to get a 2nd PFA soon, but these look pretty cool! Very cool option for small setup & powering/gain! I just really don't need the gain of these! I guess a PFA is more what I'm looking for at the moment! BUT, I like that Jon is still expanding things and making new, very neat/cool products ;D 8)

So you can run caps>IPA>M10 easily! So badass IMO! Or I could run caps>IPA>70d, just not sure about the powering for the IPA ??? I know I'm overlooking it on Jon's webpage :(
« Last Edit: May 05, 2016, 09:15:52 PM by F.O.Bean »
Recording Rigs:
Schoeps MK4's & MK41's ->
Schoeps | NBob 250/05 KCY's ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

Portable Playback Rigs:
Sony NW-A35 Walkman & Shanling M0 DAP's ->
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2016, 08:10:40 AM »
Bean, read the above webpage:

POWER OPTIONS

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:

+9V to +52V phantom power
an internal A23 battery (optional; not included)
external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)

You could use Capsules> KCY> IPA> Recorder. The IPA's internal battery would provide the 60v to the caps, and the IPA could provide basic gain. As Jon's said in the thread, this is a replacement for the tinybox.
Recording:
Capsules: Schoeps mk41v (x2), mk4v (x2), mk22 (x2), mk3 (x2), mk21 & mk8
Cables: 2x nbob KCY, 1 pair nbob actives, Darktrain 2 and 4 channel KCY extensions:
Preamps:    Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Naiant PFA, Sound Devices Mixpre6
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre6, Sony PCM m10

Home Playback: Mytek DSD 192> McIntosh MC162> Eminent Tech LFT-16; Musical Fidelity xCan v2> Hifiman HE-4XX / Beyerdynamic DT880

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2016, 09:12:52 AM »
I would love to see some pics  ;D



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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2016, 11:04:15 AM »
I would love to see some pics  ;D

Just add caps and a M10.

A lot of people run a race to see who is the fastest. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2016, 11:56:39 AM »
^ Thanks!

That's a nice small piece of gear


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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2016, 07:49:21 PM »
I'm going to have to grab one of these!!  Slick setup, Is that a 5pin XLR on the IPA?? 

I would love to see some pics  ;D

Just add caps and a M10.


« Last Edit: May 06, 2016, 08:12:01 PM by jbell »
Microtech Gefell M20's> Nbob KCY> Naiant PFA(60V)> Sound Devices Mixpre-6

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2016, 05:30:38 AM »
I would love to see some pics  ;D

Just add caps and a M10.



Very nice ;D You could've also gotten the IPA with a mini 1/8" output as well, correct? Just trying to figure out why you didn't just get the mini 1/8" output on your IPA ??? Cant you get an IPA with the 1/8" Mini output AND the 5-pin XLR output, with an extended IPA case ??? That way you could have the Mini output AND the 5-pin XLR output, without the need for the 5-pin XLR>1/8" Mini cable? Sorry for ALL of the questions, but I just started doing research on these, and this is the first one Ive seen with some Schoeps ;D Did you do that just so you can run into a Preamp/Recorder with Balanced XLR Inputs/Phantom Power, as well as the 5-pin XLR>Mini cable that you have pictured ???

And Im with JBell, I need to grab one of those eventually!

Bean, read the above webpage:

POWER OPTIONS

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:

+9V to +52V phantom power
an internal A23 battery (optional; not included)
external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)

You could use Capsules> KCY> IPA> Recorder. The IPA's internal battery would provide the 60v to the caps, and the IPA could provide basic gain. As Jon's said in the thread, this is a replacement for the tinybox.


Thanks Noah 8) I saw that, but just wanted someone to confirm that the IPA could be powered solely with my 70d's Phantom Power ;D Seems like its def possible! Since I no longer run a small handheld deck[M10/R9/DR2D/etc], a PFA would be better suited towards my current needs! But for someone running a small active setup, with a small deck, this would be a GREAT option for some compact gain ;D Especially for you stea&lthers out there ;)
Recording Rigs:
Schoeps MK4's & MK41's ->
Schoeps | NBob 250/05 KCY's ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

Portable Playback Rigs:
Sony NW-A35 Walkman & Shanling M0 DAP's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax | CA Litz | Westone Bluetooth MMCX Cables ->
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado | Westone UM Pro 30 (G2) IEM's ->
Comply Isolation+ & Sport+ Memory Foam Tips

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2016, 09:06:42 AM »
Jon,

I almost always wish that I had taken a few electronics courses early on in my life before asking any questions that will have obvious answers to you.   Anyway, here goes.

Let's say that I would occasionally want the ability to run a balanced output originating from:  my Nbox ---> Line In --->multi channel XLR recorder.  I do not have a KCY Nbox, I have the Nbob version.  You already supplied me with a PFA for this Gefell/Schoeps rig but I wouldn't be using that option in this case.  My Nbox has a male, 3pin, mini XLR out.

What IPA config would you recommend to me to accomplish what I want to accomplish here?  Would I need two IPA's?

thank you,

David
« Last Edit: May 07, 2016, 09:32:35 AM by dactylus »
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2016, 10:33:59 AM »
You don't need an IPA, you need a Y cable, ideally with a resistor to match the output impedance of the Nbox (which I don't know).

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2016, 11:54:00 AM »
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2016, 07:05:03 AM »
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.


Just wondered buddy 8) I just saw the option to have the extended case for the ability to have an XLR AND Mini output, and was curious why you went with one over the other! Since you're the first person I've seen with one of these, I'm obviously very curious about it, so sorry for all of the questions Gormenghast ;) I think its a beautiful design overall and I really want one now ;D I love that its a stereo PFA/Amp, yet housed in such a TINY package! I can't wait to hear your first shows with it! I'm very glad that Jon is still providing HQ products tailored to OUR needs, and at amazing prices too IMO! Like I said, I can't wait to hear some shows this these ;D
Recording Rigs:
Schoeps MK4's & MK41's ->
Schoeps | NBob 250/05 KCY's ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

Portable Playback Rigs:
Sony NW-A35 Walkman & Shanling M0 DAP's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax | CA Litz | Westone Bluetooth MMCX Cables ->
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado | Westone UM Pro 30 (G2) IEM's ->
Comply Isolation+ & Sport+ Memory Foam Tips

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2016, 02:02:07 PM »
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.


Just wondered buddy 8) I just saw the option to have the extended case for the ability to have an XLR AND Mini output, and was curious why you went with one over the other! Since you're the first person I've seen with one of these, I'm obviously very curious about it, so sorry for all of the questions Gormenghast ;) I think its a beautiful design overall and I really want one now ;D I love that its a stereo PFA/Amp, yet housed in such a TINY package! I can't wait to hear your first shows with it! I'm very glad that Jon is still providing HQ products tailored to OUR needs, and at amazing prices too IMO! Like I said, I can't wait to hear some shows this these ;D

All's good bean  :D

Ask any question you like and I'll do the best to answer. 

As for recordings--it'll be a while until I can get away for something to tape.  My kids keep me busy with sports and when it's not sports, it's always something else.  But we have a big run with SCI.  Journey, Doobie Bro's, Foreigner, and a few bluegrass stuff planned this summer.  We'll see what happens.  I took my son and daughter to SCI last January and ditched the rig and hung out with them for their first big concert experience.  Such a  great hit with my son that he wants to do more but this time around I might roll tape and see if he's interested in that sort of thing. 
A lot of people run a race to see who is the fastest. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2016, 03:47:47 PM »
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.


Just wondered buddy 8) I just saw the option to have the extended case for the ability to have an XLR AND Mini output, and was curious why you went with one over the other! Since you're the first person I've seen with one of these, I'm obviously very curious about it, so sorry for all of the questions Gormenghast ;) I think its a beautiful design overall and I really want one now ;D I love that its a stereo PFA/Amp, yet housed in such a TINY package! I can't wait to hear your first shows with it! I'm very glad that Jon is still providing HQ products tailored to OUR needs, and at amazing prices too IMO! Like I said, I can't wait to hear some shows this these ;D

All's good bean  :D

Ask any question you like and I'll do the best to answer. 

As for recordings--it'll be a while until I can get away for something to tape.  My kids keep me busy with sports and when it's not sports, it's always something else.  But we have a big run with SCI.  Journey, Doobie Bro's, Foreigner, and a few bluegrass stuff planned this summer.  We'll see what happens.  I took my son and daughter to SCI last January and ditched the rig and hung out with them for their first big concert experience.  Such a  great hit with my son that he wants to do more but this time around I might roll tape and see if he's interested in that sort of thing. 

Sounds like a good summer to me! You never know, you're son could be a tapir waiting to blossom lol ;D But its really cool that he was into SCI and wants to continue seeing shows with you 8) I'll definitely keep my eyes open for some of your IPA tapes! And thanks again for answering all of my questions! I'm very intrigued now!!!
Recording Rigs:
Schoeps MK4's & MK41's ->
Schoeps | NBob 250/05 KCY's ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

Portable Playback Rigs:
Sony NW-A35 Walkman & Shanling M0 DAP's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax | CA Litz | Westone Bluetooth MMCX Cables ->
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado | Westone UM Pro 30 (G2) IEM's ->
Comply Isolation+ & Sport+ Memory Foam Tips

http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/diskobean | http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/Bean420 | http://bt.etree.org/mytorrents.php

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2016, 12:01:26 PM »
Bean, read the above webpage:

POWER OPTIONS

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:

+9V to +52V phantom power
an internal A23 battery (optional; not included)
external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)

You could use Capsules> KCY> IPA> Recorder. The IPA's internal battery would provide the 60v to the caps, and the IPA could provide basic gain. As Jon's said in the thread, this is a replacement for the tinybox.
I read the webpage but what you just wrote above was not clear to me from reading it. "Can support" is the not the same notion as "can deliver" in terms of power supply. The above (especially the picture) did clarify it for me...

Likewise, someone please indulge yet another question I can't figure out from the website:

I have some NBob cables with the standard NBox connectors (I believe those are EN3s -- the things that screw together). If anyone has adapted those to a tinybox or IPA, how did you do it? I feel like I asked folks about adapters and it's maybe not possible, but want to throw that question out there again.... (currently they have an attachment cable that terminates in two PFAs)
« Last Edit: May 10, 2016, 03:06:10 PM by acidjack »
Mics: Schoeps MK4V, MK41V, MK5, MK22> CMC6, KCY 250/5, KC5, NBob; MBHO MBP603/KA200N, AT 3031, DPA 4061 w/ d:vice, Naiant X-X, AT 853c, shotgun, Nak300
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