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The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« on: August 14, 2004, 02:46:13 PM »
Call me curious.  Actually, I'm thinking big and looking ahead.
What is your idea of the perfect stealth rig? 8)
(If you can include ballpark prices, that would be great!)
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2004, 02:52:35 PM »
You'll likely get a whole slew of different answers as we all have different preferences: tolerances on size/bulk, battery/power consumption, and of course sonic signatures of our mics/pres/ADCs/playback systems, etc.  For me, the perfect stealth gear is:

Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100

Ballpark price: around three grand (and reflecting on that price, damnit I've gotta get out and stealth more!).  I've thought about throwing a modSBM-1 in the mix and may do so in the future, but am not sure I want to schlep around another piece of gear in my crotch.  :P

Actually, I take it back - best stealth setup is MK41 / KC5 / CMC6 > V3 > NJB3, but I can only swing that setup when I don't have to crotch the gear!
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2004, 02:53:09 PM »
Call me curious.  Actually, I'm thinking big and looking ahead.
What is your idea of the perfect stealth rig? 8)
(If you can include ballpark prices, that would be great!)

Personally, I'd say CMC-4's clipped on visor or hat > Batt Box > MD (or JB3 if you can afford the bulkiness/size) would work pretty well.  If you can afford it and still stealth it, maybe Batt Box > AD20 > md/jb3 ?

Figure ~$400, without the AD20.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2004, 02:54:21 PM »
You'll likely get a whole slew of different answers as we all have different preferences: tolerances on size/bulk, battery/power consumption, and of course sonic signatures of our mics/pres/ADCs/playback systems, etc.  For me, the perfect stealth gear is:

Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100

Ballpark price: around three grand (and reflecting on that price, damnit I've gotta get out and stealth more!).  I've thought about throwing a modSBM-1 in the mix and may do so in the future, but am not sure I want to schlep around another piece of gear in my crotch.  :P

Actually, I take it back - best stealth setup is MK41 / KC5 / CMC6 > V3 > NJB3, but I can only swing that setup when I don't have to crotch the gear!
Wow, could you really get all that in?  That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2004, 03:01:05 PM »
I'm looking for something really compact.  Most of the venues I go to search and have metal detectors, so I'm interested in equipment that will be easy to get through security.  The smaller and easier to explain away, the better.  Going undetected is probably the most important factor for me.  Simplicity would be another great plus (especially at my recording stage now lol).  Of course, its sound quality is important, too.

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2004, 03:04:08 PM »
Wow, could you really get all that in?  That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.

Yup.  The stealth setup (Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100)  is easy - fits down my pants.  Haven't had to go through a metal detector yet, but I know a buddy with the exact same setup who's gotten through detectors (don't know if he didn't set them off or told them he had a cock ring or what).

Getting the full setup in (MK41 / KC5 / CMC6 > V3 > NJB3) is easy with a small fanny pack if they're not patting down.
I'm looking for something really compact.

If you can get into a good location, it's tough to beat the size/performance of something like DPA 4061 > MPS-something-or-other battery box, forget the model name) > D100/M1 or MD or NJB3.

I'm sure someone will chime in with the Sound Professionals and/or AT mic stealth setups as well - great size/performance on a budget.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2004, 03:04:58 PM »
I'm looking for something really compact.  Most of the venues I go to search and have metal detectors, so I'm interested in equipment that will be easy to get through security.
This is why I like MD for stealth.  You can just plug in headphones and then you don't even have to hide it.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2004, 03:16:02 PM »
If you can get into a good location

Ahhh, which brings up another question.  Just what is a "good" location?
I was under the impression that the best place to record from was a ways back and centered. 
However, here I've read alot about getting up close to one of the stacks.
Although I do plan on some indoor shows, the majority of my recording attempts will be
at outside venues, such as The Greek Theatre or the Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles.
Where are the best seats  ??
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2004, 03:27:48 PM »
If you can get into a good location

Ahhh, which brings up another question.  Just what is a "good" location?
I was under the impression that the best place to record from was a ways back and centered. 
However, here I've read alot about getting up close to one of the stacks.

Depends on the venue and your listening preferences.

I've never been a big fan of stealth stack recordings.  They just sound flat to me, no air, no space, kinda like a soundboard.  A ways back and centered provides some of the sonic characteristics I enjoy in most live recordings - image, soundstage, a sense of space.  Best bet - try both and see which you prefer.

Sorry, can't help with seat locations for the venues you listed, but usually somewhere between 10-30 rows back works well.  All depends on how far the stacks are split, etc.  Check the Venue forum - maybe someone has commented on the sweet spots for those venues.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2004, 07:20:18 PM »
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?

I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2004, 07:26:58 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2004, 07:50:45 PM »
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?

I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.

Lazy bum!  :P
 Sax:  5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" side
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AD20:  5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Adding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1".  On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable.  For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out.  If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website or in my Rig Pics post (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2004, 08:18:22 PM »
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?

I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.

Lazy bum!  :P
 Sax:  5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" side
 PS2:  4.00" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, outs via cable from the other 3.00" x 1.25" side
AD20:  5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Adding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1".  On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable.  For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out.  If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website or in my Rig Pics post (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).

Lazy and on dial up what can I say.  ::) Thanks, + to you.

I know I'll end up getting an MP2 (if I can find one) or a sax, PS2/AD20 is almost too bulky.
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2004, 08:21:00 PM »
Lazy and on dial up what can I say.  ::) Thanks, + to you.

I know I'll end up getting an MP2 (if I can find one) or a sax, PS2/AD20 is almost too bulky.

Ewwwww...dial-up.  Even though I was kidding around, I take it back!  Ugh...I don't even remember dial-up days any longer.  MP2 is definitely a great option, and a heckuva lot less expensive than the Sax.
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2004, 08:29:07 PM »
Guys ~ what's an MP2?
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2004, 08:40:31 PM »
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The MP-2 from Sound Devices is a studio-quality two-channel, portable, stereo microphone preamplifier. With its impressive audio performance and comprehensive list of features including headphone monitoring, metering and MS Stereo Matrix, the MP-2 is a flexible front-end device for professional studio and field applications. Studio, location, and live music engineers value the compact size and ability to withstand extremes in the field. The MP-2 combines rugged mechanical and electronic construction, compact size, and high-quality components. The MP-2 allows no-compromise performance for any application.

http://www.sounddevices.com/products/mp2master.htm

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2004, 09:54:32 PM »
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?

I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.

Lazy bum!  :P
 Sax:  5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" side
 PS2:  4.00" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, outs via cable from the other 3.00" x 1.25" side
AD20:  5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Adding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1".  On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable.  For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out.  If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website or in my Rig Pics post (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).

Lazy and on dial up what can I say.  ::) Thanks, + to you.

I know I'll end up getting an MP2 (if I can find one) or a sax, PS2/AD20 is almost too bulky.

I use the MIC 2496 covers all the bases, phantom, gain, adc.
Dimensions: 5-1/16" L x 3" W x 1-3/8" H
HERE
I like the sound a lot better with my micros than the ps2/ad20 combo.

STEALTH = M1290-HC>MIC 2496>MT 24/96
SUPER STEALTH = SP-CMC-8>SP-MT-MIC-PWR
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2004, 10:18:10 PM »
Wow, could you really get all that in?  That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.

Yup.  The stealth setup (Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100)  is easy - fits down my pants.  Haven't had to go through a metal detector yet, but I know a buddy with the exact same setup who's gotten through detectors (don't know if he didn't set them off or told them he had a cock ring or what).

Getting the full setup in (MK41 / KC5 / CMC6 > V3 > NJB3) is easy with a small fanny pack if they're not patting down.

Uhm, yea, thanks for that there Brian.   :P  I've only had one encounter with a wand with this set-up, but they had no clue how to use such a device.  I did prepare and have bunches of metal in my pokets - change, lots of keys, 2 cell phones, pager, and my glasses case outside is metal.

I'll even wear a bigger shirt, twist the pack around, and walk on in if they aren't patting or just checking visible bags.

I'm looking for something really compact.

If you can get into a good location, it's tough to beat the size/performance of something like DPA 4061 > MPS-something-or-other battery box, forget the model name) > D100/M1 or MD or NJB3.

I'm sure someone will chime in with the Sound Professionals and/or AT mic stealth setups as well - great size/performance on a budget.

Yea, I ran AT853 > battery box > D8 then later D100 for nearly 2.5 years.  The D8 is a big deck to lug in, but the D100 is much smaller and has already been believed to be a walkman (got caught adjusting it pre-show and told the usher it simply was a walkman *phew*).  This set-up made me master my tapes using T-Racks which really made the good tapes sound even better.  Another friend runs AT mics with a Deneke (sp?) pre-amp that has a built-in analog-digital converter.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2004, 10:44:26 PM »
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I use the MIC 2496 covers all the bases, phantom, gain, adc.
Dimensions: 5-1/16" L x 3" W x 1-3/8" H
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I like the sound a lot better with my micros than the ps2/ad20 combo.

While I have considered getting the mic2496 a few things hold me back.

I just don't know if it can handle high spl situaions (rock shows). Without bass roll-off it seems that the AD20 likes to clip, I don't know how much better the mic2496 can be. I do like it's size though. I guess it has yet to be seen how well it performs, but thats great your running it, +T.

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2004, 10:10:14 AM »
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?

I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.

Lazy bum!  :P
 Sax:  5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" side
 PS2:  4.00" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, outs via cable from the other 3.00" x 1.25" side
AD20:  5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Adding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1".  On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable.  For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out.  If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website or in my Rig Pics post (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).

Lazy and on dial up what can I say.  ::) Thanks, + to you.

I know I'll end up getting an MP2 (if I can find one) or a sax, PS2/AD20 is almost too bulky.

I use the MIC 2496 covers all the bases, phantom, gain, adc.
Dimensions: 5-1/16" L x 3" W x 1-3/8" H
HERE
I like the sound a lot better with my micros than the ps2/ad20 combo.



Forgot to mention the easy to read meter's. Green light -12 db, red light -1.5 db. much better than the jb3 meters.
STEALTH = M1290-HC>MIC 2496>MT 24/96
SUPER STEALTH = SP-CMC-8>SP-MT-MIC-PWR
>MT 24/96
also have:
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2004, 10:42:40 PM »
akg 61s>actives>jk labs dvc>mod sbm-1>d8

This is what I run and this rig is sweet.  Its so small and sounds so damn good.  Around $2500 give or take.   

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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2004, 10:55:12 PM »
>>Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100<<

does the rear lobe of the hypers hurt in a stealth situation though?  i love the fact that my cards have very great rear rejection.  hypers would pick up the guy yapping behind you more, woudln't they?

and i think 4022s are the greatest stealth mics ever

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2004, 11:01:34 PM »
>>Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100<<

does the rear lobe of the hypers hurt in a stealth situation though?  i love the fact that my cards have very great rear rejection.  hypers would pick up the guy yapping behind you more, woudln't they?

Theoretically, yeah.  I've only run the stealth rig a couple times, I've been slacking.  But I've run the 41s at head-height many a time and haven't encountered any issues with the rear lobe.
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2004, 11:37:39 PM »
Wow, could you really get all that in?  That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.

Yup.  The stealth setup (Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100)  is easy - fits down my pants.  Haven't had to go through a metal detector yet, but I know a buddy with the exact same setup who's gotten through detectors (don't know if he didn't set them off or told them he had a cock ring or what).

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2004, 07:40:26 PM »
ive stealthed with

at853s > battery box > ad-20 > d8

i was very satisified with the results

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2004, 03:39:42 AM »
853 > mp2 > m1/d100 rocks the boat although mod460 > m148 > ad1000 > DAT is rocking too if you can swing it

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2004, 03:53:15 AM »
853 > mp2 > m1/d100 rocks the boat although mod460 > m148 > ad1000 > DAT is rocking too if you can swing it

agreed schwilly.

i run at853>at8533>mv100>m1 and recently ran ak40>lc3>km100>mv100>m1 and ak40>lc3>km100>mp-2>m1.
once i got past entry, working the rigs were basically the same.

a buddy in atlanta has a m248 brick and wants to get into stealthing :) 
for less than $300, i'll set him up with at853>at8533.

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2004, 07:19:03 PM »
i really want a pair of 4022's eventually, what's the best other setup to go with? (have an m1)

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2004, 08:13:11 PM »
The good thing about investing in the compact microphone or caps (4022 or schoeps) is that they can be mounted on a stand and used easily in non-stealth situations.  The dpa minatures or core sound version sound very good and are very small.  Your mileage will be greatly improved by getting an external preamp which improves the quality over the built in preamps in the DAT or MD.

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2018, 01:38:26 AM »
In the 13 1/2 years since this topic was posted things have undoubtably changed.

So, what is now considered to be the 'perfect stealth rig?

Gear suggestions only please, techniques only via PM, dont wanna see the Hoff!

Thanks in advance
« Last Edit: February 21, 2018, 03:19:08 AM by bobstammers »
Mics        : Naiant AKG CK63 Actives, DPA 4061, SP-CMC-25, CA11c, CA11 IIo,CA14c, CA14o, CAFS, AT933 (4.7k)
Pre         : Tinybox, PIPSqueak, CA9100, Ugly II pre, CA Ugly II 3 wire pre
Batt Box : MM-CBM-Mini
Decks     : H340 rockboxed, R09HR, M10 x 2

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2018, 02:58:43 AM »
Staying away from techniques and methods due to trolls occasionally lurk here. Choose some good mic capsules (many options) > actives > ipa > pcm10. Quality sound and small in size. Down the road you can add mic bodies and an all in one deck (or a pre) for a full size rig.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2018, 03:34:26 AM »
In the 13 1/2 years since this topic was posted things have undoubtably changed.

So, what is now considered to be the 'perfect stealth rig?

Gear suggestions only please, techniques only via PM, dont wanna see the Hoff!

Thanks in advance
From the looks of the gear you have your in pretty good shape.
Mics- Telefunken M60’s tk60,61,62 AKG 460's/480's)ck61’s,63’s akg active  couplings>naiant pfa's, naiant x-r's (cards,omnis). Pre- SD-302, naiant x-y amp, apogee mini-me X2, Lunatech V-3, Decks- R-44, dr-40,dr100mk3

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2018, 08:40:20 AM »
Assuming someone can't get their hands on an M10 or R-05 these days, it looks like the Zoom F1 and/or Roland R-07 are going to be the current stealth decks of choice.  We definitely don't have enough info on the Roland yet, and there are still some unanswered questions about the F1, though.
Mics: Core Sound TetraMic | AT4031s | CA-14 omnis | AT853 cards | Line Audio CM3s | AKG 460/ck61 | Studio Projects CS5
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2018, 08:54:40 AM »
M10 has the giant red eye of Sauron. Jeez, hard to believe...

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2018, 11:39:50 AM »
CCM4>Tinybox>M10 has been good to me.  Super long battery life on Tinybox and M10 both and is a rig about as small as I have ever seen.

I miss Josephine and her contributions.  I wish she would come back.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2018, 11:56:42 AM »
I have what I would consider the perfect stealth rig.   Schoeps MK4/MK41, actives, NBox Platinum, Tascam DR-2D.

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2018, 01:33:27 PM »
In the 13 1/2 years since this topic was posted things have undoubtably changed.

So, what is now considered to be the 'perfect stealth rig?

Gear suggestions only please, techniques only via PM, dont wanna see the Hoff!

Thanks in advance
From the looks of the gear you have your in pretty good shape.

Yes, I guess I am, itchy for an upgrade though and there seems to be a few Schoeps caps coming though the yard and it got me thinking and doing a little research.

For ease of security etc I tend to always reach for the SPCMC25 and my pipsqueak but I have started to record with 2 rigs again so if I can stealth with 2 I guess I should go back to the TB and AKGs for a while  :hmmm:
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Mics        : Naiant AKG CK63 Actives, DPA 4061, SP-CMC-25, CA11c, CA11 IIo,CA14c, CA14o, CAFS, AT933 (4.7k)
Pre         : Tinybox, PIPSqueak, CA9100, Ugly II pre, CA Ugly II 3 wire pre
Batt Box : MM-CBM-Mini
Decks     : H340 rockboxed, R09HR, M10 x 2

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2018, 02:29:17 PM »
In the 13 1/2 years since this topic was posted things have undoubtably changed.

So, what is now considered to be the 'perfect stealth rig?

Gear suggestions only please, techniques only via PM, dont wanna see the Hoff!

Thanks in advance
you already own the "perfect rig" based on your sig
Mics > tb > m10
I would do the akg or dpa
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2018, 02:51:44 PM »
I have what I would consider the perfect stealth rig.   Schoeps MK4/MK41, actives, NBox Platinum, Tascam DR-2D.

mk4v/41/21>Nbox P>M-10. The 21 are obviously for open taping...

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2018, 03:15:39 PM »
Haven't used it yet, but will soon be running DPA > D:vice > iphone. Pretty excited about the potential there...

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2018, 05:14:07 PM »
The very smallest I have is B3/4.7 mod > BB > M10.  Best is Nbob  > Mk. 41 > Nbox > M10

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2018, 06:03:14 PM »
Haven't used it yet, but will soon be running DPA > D:vice > iphone. Pretty excited about the potential there...

Pleas share your results. I'm really curious about that setup!
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Preamps: CA-9100; Naiant Tinybox (12v/48v + PIP 8V); Naiant Littlebox;
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2018, 06:06:44 PM »
CCM4>Tinybox>M10 has been good to me.  Super long battery life on Tinybox and M10 both and is a rig about as small as I have ever seen.

I miss Josephine and her contributions.  I wish she would come back.
Shes fully retired from the hobby.
Sold off her gear years ago.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2018, 10:22:58 AM »
One vote for mk4v caps>Nbob actives> Naiant IPA>tiny deck of your choice. I personally really like the m10 but some prefer the Edirol. This can all be had for around 2500 new and you should be able to find much of it used here. As for why I prefer the vertical capsules for lo pro, PM me if you like.

I'd add that I like the sound of this setup as much as I liked dpa 4022>Oade m148>Oade warm mod marantz 661. The added warmth was necessary imo behind the dpas but not the Schoeps. Plenty warm to my ears.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2018, 02:59:41 PM »
Thanks for the reply's guys and for the PMs I have shared.

Appreciated.
Mics        : Naiant AKG CK63 Actives, DPA 4061, SP-CMC-25, CA11c, CA11 IIo,CA14c, CA14o, CAFS, AT933 (4.7k)
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2018, 07:29:02 PM »
Hello. I would like to ask you if there is a recorder like Sony m10 without mics and headphone?

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2018, 10:22:05 PM »
CCM4>Tinybox>M10 has been good to me.  Super long battery life on Tinybox and M10 both and is a rig about as small as I have ever seen.

I miss Josephine and her contributions.  I wish she would come back.
Shes fully retired from the hobby.
Sold off her gear years ago.

For someone who didn't tape for so many years like some people here, she actually did some great work.

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2018, 02:40:51 AM »
Hello. I would like to ask you if there is a recorder like Sony m10 without mics and headphone?

New Zoom F1?
Got mine a couple days ago and will test it on the gig tomorrow  ::)

 

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