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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2011, 11:24:13 AM »
reposted from gearslutz:

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Went to the DPA booth at NAMM yesterday and was really impressed at what is going on with the new line.

First of all 3 bodies. A short, a long (standard length) and one with high lift and low cut. The last is geared towards the shotgun which is one of the new capsules.

They have cardiod, omni and subcard capsules (as well as the shotgun) for these that are the same capsules that have always been used. A new line of accessories is coming for it- the big thing being that this new line allows for balanced connections from mic to preamp whereas the old compact line was unbalanced between mic and XLR. This should especially help with shielding for RF interference.

There is also a new line of capsules that are less expensive- the new 2000-series stuff. Based off of the compact capsules developed for the lavs, 4099 and others, these capsules are those mics essentially in a "proper" mic housing with the full quality electronics of the 4000 mics we all know an use. You'll now be able to do things like put a 4099 in a compact housing on a real mic stand in a way that doesn't look like a clip-on. The best part about these new capsules is the full microphone will be under $1000. when you want to upgrade to a 4006 capsule, then you are just purchasing a capsule- not a full mic and you can save some cash.

The threads for these capsules are amazing. I've never felt a mic that screws together so cleanly. I love my Schoeps line, but the construction here is truly second to none.

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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2011, 12:00:46 PM »
it sure is looking like the compact line is going to be discontinued at some point.  to me though one of the best part about the compact line is the fact that there are no bodies in the chain or other points of failure.  I have a hard time believing though that the line was not successful enough to have them continue to be made. 
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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2011, 12:10:36 PM »
While I love the fact that my 4022s are without bodies, I could deal with bodies seperated from the caps.   If they choose to not make an "extension cable" they have lost me as a future customer for subs/omnis. 
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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2011, 12:11:05 PM »
it sure is looking like the compact line is going to be discontinued at some point.

they already are discontinued.  they're no longer on the site

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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2011, 04:52:02 PM »
it sure is looking like the compact line is going to be discontinued at some point.  to me though one of the best part about the compact line is the fact that there are no bodies in the chain or other points of failure.  I have a hard time believing though that the line was not successful enough to have them continue to be made.

To be nitpicky, the compact line had electronics in the XLR housing.  So really, you could think of them like other active cable solutions, its just that the active cable did not plug into a typical mic body, but rather a mic "body" in the form of an XLR connector housing.

At any rate, I don't think their "success" had anything to do with it.  I think this is the relevant quote from the gearslutz message Scott posted:

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the big thing being that this new line allows for balanced connections from mic to preamp whereas the old compact line was unbalanced between mic and XLR. This should especially help with shielding for RF interference.

My guess is that DPA sees the 406x micro line as the mics that will be used to be nearly unseen for theater/live performance applications.  The compact 402x line was for unobtrusive applications, where it was not desirable to have the mic have a large visual footprint (but not to the point of "unseen" like for performers wearing them at a theater performance like the 406x).

I think the quote above is the issue -- the 402x line was unbalanced between the mic capsule and the XLR, and therefore more prone to interference.  With the growing amount of interference sources (including cell phones), DPA which strives for perfection, did not want to have a product that is subject to as much interference (and resulting poor performance) as the unbalanced compact 402x line.

I'm sure they think that for most applications, either a miniature mic like the 406x will suffice, or for less unseen applications, the new "short body" solution provides as much unobtrusiveness as is necessary.  Obviously our little niche prefers the compact line, but I'd bet they simply were not happy enough with the performance in re: interference that the compact line provided.
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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2011, 04:55:45 PM »
So who is going to negotiate a group buy from DPA on their remaining stock?  I could use some 4053's at a nice price.   >:D

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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2011, 05:07:58 PM »
What Todd said may be correct, but I was also told it was a service issue.  The compacts were easy to damage when servicing and they ended up breaking way too many and having to give free replacements, losing money...


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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2011, 12:49:14 PM »
^^^ Maybe that means they have left the door open for a more compact option?  Repairing/replacing some sort of active cable or super-compact body would be cheaper with the caps removed from the equation...I can hope, anyway!


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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2011, 05:01:31 PM »
the electronics in the old compacts are already separate.  As Todd said, the electronics are at the XLR end

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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2011, 05:38:15 PM »
On the DPA product manual download page, the compacts are shown in "Discontinued" status.

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/download/manuals.aspx
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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2011, 02:04:15 AM »
I hope they will make something like the Schoeps KC5 cable in the future..
It will look big if you plug a XLR connector on it..so its quite visible during a live session..It's sort of bad they removed the compact range. Schoeps kept their compact mics while selling the switchable caps. They even have the KC5 option. So DPA should learn something from them.
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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2011, 10:55:28 PM »
I hope they will make something like the Schoeps KC5 cable in the future..
It will look big if you plug a XLR connector on it..so its quite visible during a live session..It's sort of bad they removed the compact range. Schoeps kept their compact mics while selling the switchable caps. They even have the KC5 option. So DPA should learn something from them.

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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2011, 07:43:21 PM »
On the DPA product manual download page, the compacts are shown in "Discontinued" status.

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/download/manuals.aspx

Indeed, the manual is shown under "Discontinued" status, but the 402x series is still very much on the DPA website > http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Item&category=187&item=24026

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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2011, 11:53:05 PM »
Look at the XLR connector!  ;D

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Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2011, 01:37:56 AM »
Look at the XLR connector!  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogd9lcj-aoE

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