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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Nick's Picks on October 25, 2005, 08:05:25 AM
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hey now...
ok, i've had a chance to use it, and get a feel for its layout and operations. a couple of quick observations.
1. best LCD level meeters i've ever seen. not only are the segmens off or on, there or not...but they are also light and dark...like a segment can be very BOLD, and then fade away w/the transiant. and you can witness what you hear. its very cool. Also there is a floating peak hold (for a second) and a numeric value peak that you can reset. very similar to a dap1 function wise, but these are better. the blue/gray backlight is soooo visiable from a distance. very high contrast.
2. menu is a little overly complicated, but a little time w/the manual and getting all of your presets customized and then you are all set. its not bad...but not as easy as the R4.
3. the removable plate is great. all hardware swtiches for things like attenuation, roll off..etc, can be set and then secured so no stupid "ID" mistakes can be made.
overall, my 24/44.1 pull of STS9 (on archive...link in kickdown section) is very nice. Though...the m248 front end I was using doesn't sound as enveloping as the ACM 660 did to my ears. Makes me even hornier for the mod to materialize for this thing...and the caps we are waiting on are even better than what Doug uses in the 660, so it should be unbelievable.
I definately like it thus far. more so than the FR2 ...simply for the single gain controll. I did not like the Fostex double gain action. not nearly as user friendly as the V2/3's trim pots just because they are located on different places on the box.
And...its not that big. Smallest "all in one" box i've seen...other than the SD units and 660. Much smaller than the R4/FR2.
if you can stealth a DAP1, then you can smuggle this in easy.
FWIW...the only CF card I have used in it is the Kingston Elite 45x. I will be trying the DE, but expect it will fail as it did w/the 660. I also plan to pick up a microdrive...since they are cheap. and i'll be goofing w/it to see how much resolution it can handle before heat kills it.
the 660 worked w/the Kingston, SanDisc and Hitachi/ibm Micros.
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Thanks for the info and +T Nick.
Just as I was thinking... the ACM 660 wouldn't be so bad... you come along with my reason to wait...
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I've now used my "stock" 671 twice at shows (Allman Brothers 9-30-05 & Railroad Earth 10-14-05) and was very happy with the recordings.... and at how easy it is to use in the field. In both cases I ran Schoeps MK4 > KC5 > CMC6 > Lunatec V3 > 671 @ 24/48. Since the V3 was on loan from a buddy, the next run of shows I'll be using the same mics with a Lunatec V2 and using the line in on the 671. I'll report back with more info after the Project Object show on 11-1.
One other thing I use my 671 for is to transfer DAT tapes to CD. This is SO much easier than dealing with a Windoze box for recording.
RD
PS There's a bit torrent still running for the RRE show if anyone wants to check out the recording....
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=18955
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Im def wanting this thing BADLY, looks like the perfect back end to my v3 ;D
I can sell my hosa boxes and move on to the pmd-671 for dat transferring as well, since i was going DAT>Hosa OLD-276 > JB3
nicks review above cemented the deal
come on tax time!
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well i am convinced that the 24 bit is worth it. as for listening, i use AudioDVDCreator to burn 24bit to dvd that is listenable on d*mn near any dvd player. $40 program and it works nicely (altho i think you need nero to burn). i have been in pro audio, installed high end car audio, as well as spending 8+years in charge of amp and processor development at DEI. i run a pair of $6.5k Mirage speakers powered by Adcom monoblocks 1000+ watts each and have access to Krell, Crown, my old Macintosh tube 275's, and a multitude of other amps. i strill have a very nice turnatble plus records as well as multiple DAT (6) and Beta-PCM (sony/nakamichi), still have my Nak CR7A cassette deck as well as a few RxR decks. all working and used weekly.
_my_biggest limitation is that i am running older sennheisers (K3U preamp + all the caps: MKE-2's, ME20's, ME40's, ME80's, as well as the LONG guns the ME88's) that do not have the upper frequency response like the AKG 460's that i have (unfortunately i have the CK8X extended bass response short shotguns and only one CK61 card cap). STILL, despite all the years of loud sound and the limitations of the mics, i like the 24bit versions of what i have recorded. i can compare the M1 16bit DAT that is patched into the 671, but i know that is an unfair comparison as it is just using the 671 A>D and then truncating the 671 digi-out. you would have to do the switcheroo thing between sets or something.
neil in san marcos
i am off to Mule tonight, but since they are only doing a single set, i am reluctant to do a mid set word length switcheroo in order to do an A/B comparison tomorrow - just too d*mn lazy...
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If you did two recordings, with the same exact gear, one 24/96 and one 16/44.1, then dithered the 24/96 down to 16/44.1. Which would sound better? The recording that was originally made in 16 bit? Or the one dithered to 16 bit?
This will be important when 24 bit recordings are the norm. If recordings originally made at 16 bit sound better then 24 bit recordings that are dithered, 16 bit will continue to thrive until 16 bit CD's are displaced by the next audio format.
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i would bet the 'live' recording would sound better, but who knows, i think it all sounds good
nickspicks-didnt you say that these can be powered via 9.6v as well as 12v ???
NIMH packs will prolly be what i use, either 9.2v or 12v, that still means that i have to sell all of my 7.2v packs, 12 x 3000mah packs tho :'(
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If you did two recordings, with the same exact gear, one 24/96 and one 16/44.1, then dithered the 24/96 down to 16/44.1. Which would sound better? The recording that was originally made in 16 bit? Or the one dithered to 16 bit?
This will be important when 24 bit recordings are the norm. If recordings originally made at 16 bit sound better then 24 bit recordings that are dithered, 16 bit will continue to thrive until 16 bit CD's are displaced by the next audio format.
Damn good question! I'll bet Skalinder and Nick have some thoughts on this. Knowing Skalinder, he's probably already run the comps to very as well! :laugh:
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Keep in mind that many 24 bit A/Ds are dithering in order to produce 16 bit output. The V3 uses ANSR dithering. The Minime UV22HR.
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Keep in mind that many 24 bit A/Ds are dithering in order to produce 16 bit output. The V3 uses ANSR dithering. The Minime UV22HR.
for sure, but dont you think a 'live' dither would be better? granted, you could use the UV22HR after the recording in wavelab4/5, i dunno, def an interesting question
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I'll bet Skalinder and Nick have some thoughts on this. Knowing Skalinder, he's probably already run the comps to very as well! :laugh:
If I can find a "spare" V3 one of these days, I would like to run a 24-bit v. 16-bit comparison of just the V3, and then also compare ANSR v. the algos used in the dither comp.
As for live dither/resampling v. post, without any testing, I'm gonna go with...both. If you're dithering only and not resampling in post, I'll say live because you're doing less destructive processing. Then again, dithering in post allows you to select you preferred dither algo. Benefits to both sides, I think. And I'm sorry to say I've never tested. Curious on anyone else's thoughts, as mine are purely hypothetical.
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I'd guess it depends on how the computational dithering is implemented. One advantage doing it in post has is that the algorithm could incorporate some kind of look-ahead mechanism.
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Ok, I'm set to order. (BTW, y'all are right, Doug is very cool. Not a lot of interaction so far, but what I have gotten from him in recc's has been personable and professional, not to mention knowlegable).
I thought I would make an invitation for one of your guys on the East Coast to help me out AND benefit yourself, if you are considering getting one of these units. I live in Berlin, and already have a person who will be my intermediary, but thought it might benefit someone here. What I'm looking for is help to get it thru customs as a "used" item. My timeline is:
I'll order late today (Wed)
Doug Ships on Thur
You play w/ it for weekend.
I'd LIKE to have it by Wednesday a.m. in Berlin, but could live w/out it until Friday 11/4
Again, this is a stock pmd671, for which I will run my mic2496 into until it will be +modded in December when Doug starts to mod these items.
Any takers? email me your address (preferably eastcoast , due to time contraints) asap at TenorichardsATyahooDOTcom
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If you did two recordings, with the same exact gear, one 24/96 and one 16/44.1, then dithered the 24/96 down to 16/44.1. Which would sound better? The recording that was originally made in 16 bit? Or the one dithered to 16 bit?
This will be important when 24 bit recordings are the norm. If recordings originally made at 16 bit sound better then 24 bit recordings that are dithered, 16 bit will continue to thrive until 16 bit CD's are displaced by the next audio format.
The conventional pro-audio (and Taper) wisdom is that a dithered version preserves the quality of the high bit rate source better than simple truncation. However there was a recent artice in Stereophile (http://stereophile.com/features/705dither/) that seems to sugest that the oposite can also be true. I have a feeling that the answer will vary depending on Mics, Position, Room, etc.
I know Scott Gordon has a prefered dither algorithm for each of the mk caps, perhaps he can comment.
-Noah
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well.....
there is a lot here to ponder.
there is what i call "good 16bit" and not so good. same for 24bit .
i'll take good 16bit over run of the mill 24.
all things being equal, then i like 24bit.
mastering "live" 16bit vs. dithering...as mentioned many of our favorite a/ds are doing a dither on the fly as they are full time 24bit devices.
then you have the "upsample" on playback issue. a good sounding upsampling system can render 16bit audio *almost* identicle to 24bit. I could not tell the difference some times, but could others.
I've proven to myself w/my stereo that raw 24bit sounds the best. so thats why I went w/the 671.
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The conventional pro-audio (and Taper) wisdom is that a dithered version preserves the quality of the high bit rate source better than simple truncation. However there was a recent artice in Stereophile (http://stereophile.com/features/705dither/) that seems to sugest that the oposite can also be true. I have a feeling that the answer will vary depending on Mics, Position, Room, etc.
Screw stereophile. 24 to 16 bit truncation sounds like ass to me. It isn't even close.
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hey now...
ok, i've had a chance to use it, and get a feel for its layout and operations. a couple of quick observations.
Nick,
Did you have a chance to test it without a pream using a mic directly plugged using the onboard preamp (to know if the problem is the same than the 660's one or if the 671 has really better preamps)
Thanks
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Niether do that. I think the AD2K+ is the only one that can output both.
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for some reason I thought the mme did as well, seems like a complicated process, I know the v3 does NOT
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the MME can output 24bit on USB while set to 16bit for its local digital output jacks. the USB signal locks onto whatever the software setting is, so yes...it can do both.
the other one is the AD2K.
I have no intention of running "mic in" on the 671 until its mod'd. It will brickwall, and sound like ass even if it doesn't. I'm not willing to trash a recording "for posterity".
sorry..
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doug have the 671 in stock?
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not sure.
I think Chuck said he was waiting for the "next batch"...but give him a jingle and see what he says i guess.
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can you run microdrives with this unit? anyone doing it?
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what inputs will be available once the acm mod is done to the unit? is the mod only to the pre?
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yes...hitachi and ibm micros will work...or so i believe i have read here in another thread.
and given the killer battery life..even on 9v, i'm not afraid of any "drain" issues...even running internals.
not sure what inputs are lost durring the ACM mod. I belive the line-in was lost on the 660..but that does not necessarily mean the same for the 671.
we'll see.
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your plan is to run it as an all-in-one box once the acm mod is available, correct?
the mod is to the pre?
i know I am full of questions, trying to decide if I should wait on the acm or get one now and run m148>671
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doug have the 671 in stock?
A new shipment of 671's is coming this week. No word yet though.
E-mail Doug, there appears to be a lot of people "in line."
His price on the stock unit is less than I've seen anywhere, so it's a "no brainer" about where to get it from. Especially since you can get it moded only if you buy from him!
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Didn't I read that the 6xx series users were having drive troubles in bass heavy environs? I thought that was with microdrives.
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that could be.
its the drives that have trouble..,not the recorders. that is why you want to use real solid state flash.
Trey...i'd say buy one now...use it as a ADC. i'm doing the same thing. when the parts are in, i'll send it to Doug for the ACM, and then it will be the killerest all in one box there is.
like a V3 w/a CF card.
:-)
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that could be.
its the drives that have trouble..,not the recorders. that is why you want to use real solid state flash.
Trey...i'd say buy one now...use it as a ADC. i'm doing the same thing. when the parts are in, i'll send it to Doug for the ACM, and then it will be the killerest all in one box there is.
like a V3 w/a CF card.
:-)
but "could" i run the m148 in front after the acm mod??
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i guess only Doug can answer that one.
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ok doug says line level inputs are inactive in the acm. If you have a pre your are happy with (ofcourse he knows I have the m148) you are golden. He also says with the acm you could run the m148 mic in, but he sees no point. Looks like I am going to get a stock one and a 4 gb cf card, doug doesn't recommend the microdrives because they are moving parts
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;D :realhappy: ;D
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that they are...which means they will fail eventualy.
but for the money, i think its worth to pick up a 4gb one...just for shits and giggles.
Doug is paranoid when it comes to hard drives. Understandably.
thats good that the line in is still hot.
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that they are...which means they will fail eventualy.
but for the money, i think its worth to pick up a 4gb one...just for shits and giggles.
Doug is paranoid when it comes to hard drives. Understandably.
thats good that the line in is still hot.
Nick, let us know how the Microdrive works.
I'm not convinced that they will work in these recorders.
But, if they do, that would be sch...weet!
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but "could" i run the m148 in front after the acm mod??
Why wouldn't you be able to?
Is doug going to offer any other mods in addition to the ACM for coloring/transparency (i.e. T, P, or W)?
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i dont think so.
the ACM mod is closest to a T mod..but has a touch of warmth, imo. what I like to think of as "musical warmth".
but..that observation is based on the upgrades to the 660.
the 671, as stated , will use a different cap that uses silk in it. Doug says they are amazingly fast, transparant and 3D sounding. thats what I like!
augment the sound of my neumanns by a wonderful soundstage. sign me up.
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i dont think so.
the ACM mod is closest to a T mod..but has a touch of warmth, imo. what I like to think of as "musical warmth".
but..that observation is based on the upgrades to the 660.
the 671, as stated , will use a different cap that uses silk in it. Doug says they are amazingly fast, transparant and 3D sounding. thats what I like!
augment the sound of my neumanns by a wonderful soundstage. sign me up.
might add the perfect warmth im looking for as well, not too much, just a tad for the 480's in venues i know sound like ass 8)
480>ACM 671 is gonna be one smokin combo as well!
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ok doug says line level inputs are inactive in the acm. If you have a pre your are happy with (ofcourse he knows I have the m148) you are golden. He also says with the acm you could run the m148 mic in, but he sees no point. Looks like I am going to get a stock one and a 4 gb cf card, doug doesn't recommend the microdrives because they are moving parts
thats good that the line in is still hot.
Nick - the last time I checked, "inactive" means the same thing as "disabled". I think that what Doug is saying is that if you're going to run a pre in front, then there is no need for the ACM and just run line-in. but perhaps I am not interpretting that correctly. just my impression...
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I missed the "inactive" part...
I just saw "active" and went from there. thanks for pointing that out.
well...i like my borrowed pre...but will probably buck up for the acm any way.
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I missed the "inactive" part...
I just saw "active" and went from there. thanks for pointing that out.
well...i like my borrowed pre...but will probably buck up for the acm any way.
no problem :) I just thought I'd post to head off any possible confusion down the line. it looks like you'll still be able to run outboard pre > mic inputs on the ACM anyway...
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yup...and given its "alledged transparency", that could be interesting.
but i'll stick w/the acm.
:)
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ok, first of all, MICRDRIVES. Not for me, reread the prior thread and you will see my comments. condensed, i said they worked on the bench, but as soon as the deck went into the bag, the d*mn thing sucked batteries as well as shuttung down due to heat. now you could take the cosmetic cover that is held in with 4 screws off and see if that would allow you to cool the thing down, but i won't go there - and i was using a hitachi 6G drive for $160 so i can say i am kinda bummer about that - 24/96 for 3 hrs - just perfect! anyway, i will not run the microdrive, and besides, the whole idea of CF recoreds is to get away from hardware that has moving parts that can fail.
taped Mule at the Sun Th last nite. got a thought in my head to try the unbalanced 1/8" mini out on the Shure FP33. i have been dedicating it to the M1 as there is also a mini return aka monitor that allows to to listen to that input seperately - great for checking the analog into a deck via the loud shure phones output. then i have been using the XLR outs to RCA to feed the 671 on line in, but have had to run the mixer so low that the headphone output was useless. it occurred to me that shure was probably smart and set up the XLR to pro levels and the mini to consumer ouput tlevels. gee, i was right. so i got a smoking tape, loud phoones and a mixer running d*mn near unity. HOORAY!
dither.... i use Samplitude to edit my 24bit recordings. it takes a bit to load the .wav files (i have not sent the deck in for the software update, so i assume i am using the "new" MS wav format to record to). i circulate 16bit recording from samplitudes dither function and listen to my 24bit recordings on the computer via Nero or in the car/house via DVD players and AudioDVDCreator. it works for me. i prefer, SO FAR< the dithered recordings to the truncated ones, altho in nondritical listening situations like the car, i do not have any problems listening to the truncated dats. i do the dats mostly as safeties.
i think folks considering the 671 should look at the Tascam DAP2. the upcharge might be worth it if the brickwalling pre issues are not there with the P2 like the 671 has... course i do not know size etc as of this post, still i think one should consider it. i get the feeling it will not be much more than the 671...
neil in san marcos
off to HOB-SD - 5 shows/6 nights and only tomorrow to go and seriously bummed as i hear that Vegas mule Fri nite is to be a 4-5 hr gig and i can't go.
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taped Mule at the Sun Th last nite. got a thought in my head to try the unbalanced 1/8" mini out on the Shure FP33. i have been dedicating it to the M1 as there is also a mini return aka monitor that allows to to listen to that input seperately - great for checking the analog into a deck via the loud shure phones output. then i have been using the XLR outs to RCA to feed the 671 on line in, but have had to run the mixer so low that the headphone output was useless. it occurred to me that shure was probably smart and set up the XLR to pro levels and the mini to consumer ouput tlevels. gee, i was right. so i got a smoking tape, loud phoones and a mixer running d*mn near unity. HOORAY!
So the upshot is that the 671's line inputs are set up for consummer level input?
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One thing I'm a little confused on. Nick said
overall, my 24/44.1 pull of STS9 (on archive...link in kickdown section) is very nice. Though...the m248 front end I was using doesn't sound as enveloping as the ACM 660 did to my ears.
From that, it sounds like an ACM 660 is preferable to an outboard preamp plus stock 671. Notwithstanding that the 671 gives you 24 bits, it was not clearly superior to the ACM 660 and the total cost of the rig, including larger media, would be much higher than a ACM 660, as well as larger and more complex. Everyone's MMV, but I can buy that.
However, it seems that a number of subsequent posters have concluded that an outboard pre + stock 671 is the way to go. That doesn't seem to follow logically, even if you already own a pre. Can anyone clarify?
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i believe i already asked this but, if the ACM mod is done to the 671, would the digi-in still be ACTIVE ??? seems like hes only doing shit to the analog side, so i doubt the digi-in from the v3 would be a problem ;D
i would love the cheaper price of the MT, but this things seems so damn user friendly, and with the mod its a no-brianer ;D and the pre-record of 5-10 seconds or whatever is PRICELSSS for those sets that you start 2 seconds too late
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i believe i already asked this but, if the ACM mod is done to the 671, would the digi-in still be ACTIVE ??? seems like hes only doing shit to the analog side, so i doubt the digi-in from the v3 would be a problem ;D
i would love the cheaper price of the MT, but this things seems so damn user friendly, and with the mod its a no-brianer ;D and the pre-record of 5-10 seconds or whatever is PRICELSSS for those sets that you start 2 seconds too late
I placed my order today. It's on it's way.
I have high hopes :)
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i believe i already asked this but, if the ACM mod is done to the 671, would the digi-in still be ACTIVE ??? seems like hes only doing shit to the analog side, so i doubt the digi-in from the v3 would be a problem ;D
Bean, my unit only has the basic concert mod and I'm very satisfied with the results. If you'd like I have some samples. I haven't ran the V3 in front yet, haven't really felt like it was needed.
Only samples so far:
Gov't Mule 6-22-05 Promowest Pav, Columbus, OH CMC641's > 671
Gov't Mule 7-03-05 Grand Targhi Ski Resort, WY 4022's > 671
Les Claypool 7-18-05 Odeon, Cleveland, OH CMC641's > 671
My Claypool is incomplete, the last couple songs are digital static (white noise) I'm thinking I powered down the recorder on accident somehow corrupting the last file.
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i believe i already asked this but, if the ACM mod is done to the 671, would the digi-in still be ACTIVE ??? seems like hes only doing shit to the analog side, so i doubt the digi-in from the v3 would be a problem ;D
i would love the cheaper price of the MT, but this things seems so damn user friendly, and with the mod its a no-brianer ;D and the pre-record of 5-10 seconds or whatever is PRICELSSS for those sets that you start 2 seconds too late
I placed my order today. It's on it's way.
I have high hopes :)
congrats, and +T chuck ! ;D
I plan to be on the same team
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I plan on getting the stock, and when i have a few more funds, im gonna bite on the ACM ;D
whats the price of the stock? BCM? ACM?
how much is the ACM mod after you buy the 671 and wait a few months ???
Thanks,
Bean
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I plan on getting the stock, and when i have a few more funds, im gonna bite on the ACM ;D
whats the price of the stock? BCM? ACM?
how much is the ACM mod after you buy the 671 and wait a few months ???
Thanks,
Bean
Basic Concert Mod is $975 on Doug's site. You might want to wait out that new Tascam, thier DSD unit has the same A/D chip as the V3, who knows, they might use it in thier newer flash recorder. (pure optimistic speculation) I've heard prices thrown around as low as $875-$950. It looks like a nifty unit.
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I plan on getting the stock, and when i have a few more funds, im gonna bite on the ACM ;D
whats the price of the stock? BCM? ACM?
how much is the ACM mod after you buy the 671 and wait a few months ???
Thanks,
Bean
Stock PMD 671 from Doug $850 shipped. ACM moded approx $1200.
Doug is telling us we can send in our stock units when the parts come in for the ACM. The price of the mod will be the difference between the final price for the ACM and $850. I struggled with whether to get the stock unit, and decided that the added time to get familiar with it was worth it. I have the La Crosse charger on it's way with a bunch of 2500 mHa AA's to power it.
All I need now is a decent pre-amp to use in front of it for a couple months...
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I plan on getting the stock, and when i have a few more funds, im gonna bite on the ACM ;D
whats the price of the stock? BCM? ACM?
how much is the ACM mod after you buy the 671 and wait a few months ???
Thanks,
Bean
Basic Concert Mod is $975 on Doug's site. You might want to wait out that new Tascam, thier DSD unit has the same A/D chip as the V3, who knows, they might use it in thier newer flash recorder. (pure optimistic speculation) I've heard prices thrown around as low as $875-$950. It looks like a nifty unit.
id like the all-in-one box tho, and I always had an ear for the oade mods, so to have a true all-in-one, would be pretty cool, and keep the v3 as well :)
stock 671 is fine for now
the tascam does look nice tho, just no oade sound, prolly the same sound as the dap1, except the ad chip that you said was the same as the v3
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I plan on getting the stock, and when i have a few more funds, im gonna bite on the ACM ;D
whats the price of the stock? BCM? ACM?
how much is the ACM mod after you buy the 671 and wait a few months ???
Thanks,
Bean
Stock PMD 671 from Doug $850 shipped. ACM moded approx $1200.
Doug is telling us we can send in our stock units when the parts come in for the ACM. The price of the mod will be the difference between the final price for the ACM and $850. I struggled with whether to get the stock unit, and decided that the added time to get familiar with it was worth it. I have the La Crosse charger on it's way with a bunch of 2500 mHa AA's to power it.
All I need now is a decent pre-amp to use in front of it for a couple months...
got a link to the la-crosse charger+batts ???
i may just stick w/ the NIMH 9.6v's, im really not sure how im gonna power this thing yet
its so convenient to power everything from the same battery setup :)
anyone know how much juice this thing sucks ???
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I figure, at the very least, I'll have a recorder that will do the job for a good number of years. The Microtrack seems like a toy to me, I viewed the JB3 the same way. It's not Pro stuff.
If the ACM mod for the 671 is like the ACM mod in the 660, I know I'm going to like it. If for some reason I want to have a different sound, I'll get an analog pre to run in front of it.
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I plan on getting the stock, and when i have a few more funds, im gonna bite on the ACM ;D
whats the price of the stock? BCM? ACM?
how much is the ACM mod after you buy the 671 and wait a few months ???
Thanks,
Bean
Stock PMD 671 from Doug $850 shipped. ACM moded approx $1200.
Doug is telling us we can send in our stock units when the parts come in for the ACM. The price of the mod will be the difference between the final price for the ACM and $850. I struggled with whether to get the stock unit, and decided that the added time to get familiar with it was worth it. I have the La Crosse charger on it's way with a bunch of 2500 mHa AA's to power it.
All I need now is a decent pre-amp to use in front of it for a couple months...
got a link to the la-crosse charger+batts ???
i may just stick w/ the NIMH 9.6v's, im really not sure how im gonna power this thing yet
its so convenient to power everything from the same battery setup :)
anyone know how much juice this thing sucks ???
http://www.thomas-distributing.com/la_crosse_products.php
This thing is the bomb as far as chargers go. It gives you the condition of each individual battery, so you know when you go out, if they are fully charged and how much capacity they have. Doug recommended it.
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anyone know how much juice this thing sucks ???
The DC input is 15 volts, I'm running it on an Eco - 12v without any problems. If you have the 8 NiMH bats in the unit, you can swap power without interruption. I swapped the unit from wall-wart power (with AA's inside) > the SLA > then took out the AA's > put them back in > unplugged the SLA > plugged the wall-wart back in without interruption. I tried it a few times in different orders to see if the unit would flake out, but it switched power without any audible or visible defects in the wave-form. I don't think I'd reccommend below 12v, but who knows.
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This thing is the bomb as far as chargers go. It gives you the condition of each individual battery, so you know when you go out, if they are fully charged and how much capacity they have. Doug recommended it.
When I was buying my 671, we were talking rechargables, I mentioned that one to Doug and he ordered one to check it out. It's pretty cool once you know what you're doing with it. I still like my Maha MH-C401FS a little better, it's idiot proof. (I need that)
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This thing is the bomb as far as chargers go. It gives you the condition of each individual battery, so you know when you go out, if they are fully charged and how much capacity they have. Doug recommended it.
When I was buying my 671, we were talking rechargables, I mentioned that one to Doug and he ordered one to check it out. It's pretty cool once you know what you're doing with it. I still like my Maha MH-C401FS a little better, it's idiot proof. (I need that)
I had it narrowed down to the La Crossse and the MaHa 401FS, but went with the geekier of the two. I may pick up the MaHa as my second charger.
The results of your powering test on the 671 is very good news. +T
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anyone know how much juice this thing sucks ???
The DC input is 15 volts, I'm running it on an Eco - 12v without any problems. If you have the 8 NiMH bats in the unit, you can swap power without interruption. I swapped the unit from wall-wart power (with AA's inside) > the SLA > then took out the AA's > put them back in > unplugged the SLA > plugged the wall-wart back in without interruption. I tried it a few times in different orders to see if the unit would flake out, but it switched power without any audible or visible defects in the wave-form. I don't think I'd reccommend below 12v, but who knows.
nickspicks said doug said that 9v was cool as well, in fact, i think thats how nick is powering his at the moment ???
id ideally like to know how much juice is being sucked tho, mewaning how much amps its consuming
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they are in stock now. I ordered mine last nite and it shipped that evening.
I am .... moist.
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I think we need a basic info sheet here:
POWERING
varries on internal batteries, but you can expect (running line in w/o phantom) to get up to or beyond 5 hours record time on NiMH cells, given they are fully functional and charged up.
Outboard power can range from 9-15v. I run a 9v 5500mAh Walmart LiON cell, and got 5+ hours on 1/2 of the batteries estimated life (by the status lights) running mic in and phantom power w/a pair of 140s. Given that 9v is on the bottom of the voltage rating here, I would suspect that once the voltage starts to drop lower than that than it will die.
it does save before dying.... :-)
PRICE
$850 shipped from the Oades.
BCM is $100 more
ACM is probably $350-400 more...unknown specifics at this time.
POST MOD performance
once the ACM is performed, the unit looses its "line in" ability. However, you can still run an outboard preamp "mic in" via XLRs. The ACM mod, as Doug put it to me, is more of a T mod than a W mod. Characteristics should be ultimate speed, clarity and the typical Oade massive 3 dimensional soundstage.
MEDIA
It will work (have seen it work myself) with Kingston, Lexar, Sandisc and probably other big name CF cards. It will also work with microdrives from Hitatchi and IBM..but you would be high if you tried one of those at a high sample rate. I would guess that even 24/48 may not be reliable. I do not own one, but would like to try one out just for testing. If it works at 24/44 then i'd be happy. It would even be a nice 16bit solution I suppose...and I have no fear at all that it would work just fine at these lower resolutions.
"Nick says"..
the unit is very cool and relatively easy to use. Ultimately configurable, and you gatta love the programable presets.
however, i neglected to mention in my innitial post that the headphone amp sucks. Its very disapointing. it can not drive my Senn 201s enough to hear them in the field.
the DAP1 or an FR2 ...they power my cans easily and plenty LOUD. but not the Marantz. booooo! but I can live with it.
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I think we need a basic info sheet here:
however, i neglected to mention in my innitial post that the headphone amp sucks. Its very disapointing. it can not drive my Senn 201s enough to hear them in the field.
the DAP1 or an FR2 ...they power my cans easily and plenty LOUD. but not the Marantz. booooo! but I can live with it.
Well damn. I'm sending mine BACK!!!
Oh no, wait, Doug doesn't do REFUNDS!!! Shit!!! I REALLY wanted this machine to be heard over the constant thumping of the timpani and bass drum...oh now...shit...I don't DO rock shows....damn....never mind....
;D
+t for the fact sheet, Nick. Way to go.
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will this fit in a nova 5?
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will this fit in a nova 5?
Quite nicely....
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ghengis wrote:
quote]My Claypool is incomplete, the last couple songs are digital static (white noise) I'm thinking I powered down the recorder on accident somehow corrupting the last file.[/quote]
i would personally be concerned that the static is related to the type of memory you are using. the only time i had a corrupt file, well so far, is when the deck quit abruptly due to the battery sled issue i am having. and i could still play it back on the deck, just came up corrupted when i tried to xfer it to my computer. what brand is giving you the static??
zowie wrote:
So the upshot is that the 671's line inputs are set up for consummer level input?
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well, the RCA's are an unbalanced I/O, so it is not surprising that they would be consumer level. the point was really that even unbalancing the XLR OUTS of the FP33 and feeding the 671 via the RCA's required me to lower the output of the FP33 to borderline useless levels to get a decent headphone out (means the FP33 had lots of output signal on the XLR's), plus the FP33 was running wayyyy below unity gain. so for my setup MICS > Shure FP33 > 671 using the line in works just fine.
Nick says"..
however, i neglected to mention in my initial post that the headphone amp sucks.
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well one solution to weak headphones is to run a 9v or AA powered outboard amp..
http://cgi.ebay.com/PA2V2-Headphones-Amplifier-Rechargeable-Headphone-Amp_W0QQitemZ5822124107QQcategoryZ40138QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/PA2V2-Headphones-Amplifier-Rechargeable-Headphone-Amp_W0QQitemZ5822124107QQcategoryZ40138QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Mini-Head-Headphone-Amp-Shellbrook-Audio-Lab_W0QQitemZ5823597345QQcategoryZ40138QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Mini-Head-Headphone-Amp-Shellbrook-Audio-Lab_W0QQitemZ5823597345QQcategoryZ40138QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-Cmoy-headphone-amp-opamp2227-headphones_W0QQitemZ5822904014QQcategoryZ40138QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-Cmoy-headphone-amp-opamp2227-headphones_W0QQitemZ5822904014QQcategoryZ40138QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
and then again we might get lucky when doug or someone fianally gets ahold of a schematic. my HHB had weak headphones because of the method used to power the headphone IC. it basically used the + rail and ground. the trick was to cut the ground trace and connect the IC neg to the - rail. that effectively doubled the voltage swing the IC could deliver and the phones had twice the power available to drive them and they got acceptably loud. so don't quit outright because the headphones aren't loud enuff.
sitting here listening to the Mule show from last nite. i ran the M1 off the 671 DIG out and also ran a D8 off the 671 RCA analog out. will borrow that tape and do a little A/B comparison about the effects of truncating. not sure how scientific it will be tho'...
neil in san marcos
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they are in stock now. I ordered mine last nite and it shipped that evening.
I am .... moist.
ACM?
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they are in stock now. I ordered mine last nite and it shipped that evening.
I am .... moist.
ACM?
ACM parts are coming in December...
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My Claypool is incomplete, the last couple songs are digital static (white noise) I'm thinking I powered down the recorder on accident somehow corrupting the last file.
the "white noise" is probably recoverable. copy the static section and save it as a separate .raw file, import to your wav editor, use an offset (try several until it works - usually +1 or +2), and save as .wav with the proper bits and sample rate. this is what we've been calling a "framing error" over at the pencomputingaudio yahoo group (PDAudio).
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i'm just waiting on drew
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+T for your reports Nick's
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I figure, at the very least, I'll have a recorder that will do the job for a good number of years. The Microtrack seems like a toy to me, I viewed the JB3 the same way. It's not Pro stuff.
My take is I don't think the JB3 was intended to be Pro stuff, but by accident, it became that way. I view the JB3 as the Mothership. The first real dependable tapeless digital WAV recorder. It launched everything else: Microtrack, SD 722 , the Marantz', etc..... with more to come.
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ghengis wrote:
quote]My Claypool is incomplete, the last couple songs are digital static (white noise) I'm thinking I powered down the recorder on accident somehow corrupting the last file.
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i would personally be concerned that the static is related to the type of memory you are using. the only time i had a corrupt file, well so far, is when the deck quit abruptly due to the battery sled issue i am having. and i could still play it back on the deck, just came up corrupted when i tried to xfer it to my computer. what brand is giving you the static??
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I don't think it's the card, I'm thinking I accidentally unplugged my SLA before it could save the (TOC) or whatever file. Just for reference it's Kingston 45X 4GB. I've used it other times @24/96 with no issue whatsoever. The track goes from music to... digital white noise digital chirping, like the file is missing the propper mapping file, or that it's incomplete, it plays the white noise for about 14 mins (I'm guessing that's how much time I'm missing), it's not static on the recording, it's music>pure white noise digital chirping.
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My Claypool is incomplete, the last couple songs are digital static (white noise) I'm thinking I powered down the recorder on accident somehow corrupting the last file.
the "white noise" is probably recoverable. copy the static section and save it as a separate .raw file, import to your wav editor, use an offset (try several until it works - usually +1 or +2), and save as .wav with the proper bits and sample rate. this is what we've been calling a "framing error" over at the pencomputingaudio yahoo group (PDAudio).
I'll try that when I get home, as a .raw file, I only tried dragging/dropping or copy > paste, it would error out and give me the corrupt file message. It's been a couple months and I still haven't formatted the card, something will work! I didn't think of changing the file format. :banging head:
Thanks for the suggestion Craig T +T
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My Claypool is incomplete, the last couple songs are digital static (white noise) I'm thinking I powered down the recorder on accident somehow corrupting the last file.
the "white noise" is probably recoverable. copy the static section and save it as a separate .raw file, import to your wav editor, use an offset (try several until it works - usually +1 or +2), and save as .wav with the proper bits and sample rate. this is what we've been calling a "framing error" over at the pencomputingaudio yahoo group (PDAudio).
One problem, I can't transfer the file onto my PC, corrupt file. I suppose I can try dig coax > audiophile2496, I'm not sure if that'll work (bit perfect?) I recorded @24/48.
CORRECTION on my previous post, it's more of a chirp, not white noise. I need to figure out how to post a sample clip...
Error message .gif below:
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i'm just waiting on drew
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just chatted w/ my old man, he said ' so i saw you drooling over that new recorder online the other day, I'll make you a deal'
I said, 'what kind of deal ??? '
my old man said, 'paint the whole hosue and i'll buy it for you in the next month or two' ;D
i def have my work cut out, but im a nasty painter and can finish my house after work in about 1 week ;D not abd for one weeks work ;D
if he paid some shitty painter to do it tho, it would EASILY be 1k+, so hes getting a hell of a deal IMO
i just have to buy a nice 4GB flash card+otg/card reader combo HD ;D
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Very cool Bean... Join the team!
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Very cool Bean... Join the team!
I am 8) no MT toy for me ;D
I already have the downstairs about done, only about 6 more hrs down there 8) then about 3 bedrooms, hallway, foyer, living room, kitchen, and dining room to go :P
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Very cool Bean... Join the team!
I am 8) no MT toy for me ;D
I already have the downstairs about done, only about 6 more hrs down there 8) then about 3 bedrooms, hallway, foyer, living room, kitchen, and dining room to go :P
I thought you were painting the outside... jeez, inside... that's no sweat. Easy $$$ money $$$
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Very cool Bean... Join the team!
I am 8) no MT toy for me ;D
I already have the downstairs about done, only about 6 more hrs down there 8) then about 3 bedrooms, hallway, foyer, living room, kitchen, and dining room to go :P
I thought you were painting the outside... jeez, inside... that's no sweat. Easy $$$ money $$$
all brick outside 8)
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i'm just waiting on drew
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as in I am ready
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NovaPro 5 with Marantz 671, Lunatec V2, Ecocharge battery, mics & cables
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Very cool!
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chuck, I should sell the mme to finance the 671. :bigsmile:
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chuck, I should sell the mme to finance the 671. :bigsmile:
Do eeeeeet! :D
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chuck, I should sell the mme to finance the 671. :bigsmile:
I did ;)
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It'll just about pay for it ...
:)
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I just got my 671 today.
I bought it from the Oades and it has the e24 option, so that means it has the upgraded firmware.
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NovaPro 5 with Marantz 671, Lunatec V2, Ecocharge battery, mics & cables
Jeez, the V2 will be back in vogue with the 671. That's if the 671's ADC is any good. Which I'm sure it will be. :)
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sounds good to me...
but we'll see. iv'e only used it twice
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I just got my 671 today.
I bought it from the Oades and it has the e24 option, so that means it has the upgraded firmware.
SWEET, looks like i'll be ordering from the oades ;D
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I just got my 671 today.
I bought it from the Oades and it has the e24 option, so that means it has the upgraded firmware.
I got mine about a month ago from the Oades and it also had the firmware upgrade. When I placed the order, they were waiting on a new shipment and it's my understanding that any they've received since then had the upgrade.
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+T as well RJDunn
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This unit seems to be a great solution - I have one concern and maybe someone can help me out with this
I will probably use this unit mic-in in certain situations and I am sure with the ACM mod it will sound great
My concern is the specs. I do like to go by my ear, but for example, the line in dynamic range of the 671 is 94db, whereas my ad2k+ has a d.r. of 117db. That is a big differerence. I would think that the increased d.r. would be important in 24bit recordings....
Spec wise it does not seem to be an improvement over a 16bit recorder.
Thoughts?
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This unit seems to be a great solution - I have one concern and maybe someone can help me out with this
I will probably use this unit mic-in in certain situations and I am sure with the ACM mod it will sound great
My concern is the specs. I do like to go by my ear, but for example, the line in dynamic range of the 671 is 94db, whereas my ad2k+ has a d.r. of 117db. That is a big differerence. I would think that the increased d.r. would be important in 24bit recordings....
Spec wise it does not seem to be an improvement over a 16bit recorder.
Thoughts?
Ask Doug? ::)
If it's a weak point, perhaps it's because it's the 670 worked over to be a 24 bit recorder. I wonder how much different the 670/671 are from one-another, a matter of firmware possibly? The 670's dynamic range is 86db.
This FAQ was helpful to me in answering many of my 16 > 24 bit questions:
The overriding concept here is called dynamic range, and is measured in dB. The dynamic range of a recording is the difference between its loudest point and its quietest point.
To elaborate further, each bit gives us the ability to represent about 6dB of dynamic range. A passage that is 6dB louder than another passage is said to be twice as loud as the other passage. In the 4-bit example, we theoretically have 24dB of dynamic range that can be used. But what if recording doesn’t take advantage of all that dynamic range? What if the recording never peaks beyond 6dB of its maximum possible limit? In this case, the recording would only take advantage of 3 of what we call the least significant (or left-most) bits, meaning 18dB of dynamic range. 16-bit recordings are capable of a theoretical maximum limit of 96dB of dynamic range. This means that a single wave could have up to 65536 discrete values that can be used to represent it. But if the same wave recorded at 16-bit peaks at 48dB below its maximum possible limit, then there would only be 256 discrete values that can be used to represent it, taking advantage of only 8 of the least significant bits. The 8 most significant bits would contain no information whatsoever, and would remain unused. In the case of 24-bit recording, you’d have a maximum of 16,777,216 values to choose from, and in the case of a wave peaking at 48dB below its maximum possible limit, the wave would still have 65536 possible discrete amplitude values that could be used to represent it.
Now, have you ever heard any of the early 8-bit computer recordings that floated around in the early days of home computers? Didn’t they sound just awful? I mean, you were impressed because you had a snippet of music that you could recognize playing from your computer, but you wouldn’t want to listen to it for more than a minute or two. I personally remember playing back an 8-bit digitized 5 second snippet of Van Halen’s rendition of the Kinks’ “You Really Got Me” over and over again on my Atari 800 until I couldn’t take it anymore. The thrill soon had me building an 8-bit digitizing device with a microphone input jack and a connector for the joystick port. Ah, those were the days… but I digress.
Perhaps many are more familiar with 8-bit audio from real-time internet sources like RealAudio. It’s good enough for speech recognition, but leaves all too much to be desired for music.
Now here’s the kicker in the16-bit realm. While the volume level of a recorded low-E note struck on an acoustic guitar might take advantage all 16 available bits (for instance, where the peak on the DAT deck reaches 0dB), the squeak of the fingers on the string, the scratch of the pick hitting the string, and the 5 or 10 audible harmonic overtones of that note may never reach a point beyond 48dB shy of the 96dB maximum. Yes, all of these additional by-products of that low-E string that make the guitar sound alive and compelling receive all of the fidelity of that scratchy, distorted, computerized sound of that 8-bit sample from long ago. And as the basic low-E note fades out, it too gets the same butcher treatment from the ever decreasing number of discrete amplitude values. Yikes!
Now record with a 24-bit word length, and put the CD quality back into those string squeaks, pick scratches, and overtones. With 24 bits, you can hear the clarity of the cymbals decaying as they keep ringing smoothly down to complete silence. The little low-level smack of the bass pedal head hitting the bass drum skin that sounded barely like a small click before (if audible at all) now sounds like a smack, complete with its own smoothly reverberating decay. Even the low-level acoustical reflection from the wall behind the band now contributes to the experience with added detail and a sense of ambience, not simply low-level distortion. Finally, because of this improvement, no more does the recordist have to risk overloading and clipping the recording in effort to achieve maximum fidelity. Levels can be set conservatively with the assurance that a high degree of fidelity is maintained.
http://www.24bitfaq.org/#Q0_1_1
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thanks for the info +T
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that is a low number for a 24bit recorder.
but...it sounds damn nice. so who cares...says i.
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that is a low number for a 24bit recorder.
but...it sounds damn nice. so who cares...says i.
Depends on the sources you record.. Have you recorded anything purely acoustic in a quiet room? How is the noise floor when you crank the gain up to 55 or 65 dB? I frequently record in the 55 dB range.
I do agree that specs mean nothing if the sound isn't good..
I wonder if the low dyn range spec is due to a high noise floor or something else. From Doug's site.. 670: The 86 dB spec doesn't have any qualifiers (dB, weighting). The mic input S/N is 65dB pre MOD and 80 dB post MOD. 671: mic 65dB; line 92dB
V3: 111dB A-weighted
722: 114dB A-weighted
Of the gear I have, the minime and UA5 pre amps are far more noisy than the 722. I have read that the V3 is very quiet but I haven't had a chance to play with one.
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i believe i already asked this but, if the ACM mod is done to the 671, would the digi-in still be ACTIVE ??? seems like hes only doing shit to the analog side, so i doubt the digi-in from the v3 would be a problem ;D
i would love the cheaper price of the MT, but this things seems so damn user friendly, and with the mod its a no-brianer ;D and the pre-record of 5-10 seconds or whatever is PRICELSSS for those sets that you start 2 seconds too late
I placed my order today. It's on it's way.
I have high hopes :)
ditto
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our 671 has arrived, but have no media. will report back later.
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grrrrr, mine has not. Of course, I'm going thru channels from Oade, internationally, and the wait is killin' me. If it comes tomorrow, it gives me 24 hours to play with before taping....
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cant wait to buy one, maybe around xmas ;D
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cant wait to buy one, maybe around xmas ;D
I've messed around with mine enough to know that I like it. It seems very user friendly (read - can be operated under the influence if needed :o ) I'm going to record a local band next weekend going mic in to the stock pre-amp.
I have all my AA NiMH batteries conditioned, so I'm going to see how long it will run with the battery pack. I may try to do one set mic in and one set line in from the SBD feed. The jack for the DC in, is the Radio Shack "M" type. It's probably the most used DC jack there is, so plugs are easy to find. I got a few cords with the appropriate plug at a local surplus electronics place. I plan to make a couple power cords. I've still got a 12v SLA, and I bought a couple 8x AA battery sleds to run at longer shows.
As Nick said, the grey screen with blue characters is very easy to see/read.
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good info chuck. +t. i *think* we may go the AA route or wally li-on.
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good info chuck. +t. i *think* we may go the AA route or wally li-on.
Make sure you get the 9v WallMart LiIon, I doubt the 7.2v version will work.
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i currently have 12 x 3000mah 7.2v, i plan on selling most of them, and getting some 9.6v NIMH's to run straight into the 671
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If you plan on selling 'em, I *might* be interested... shoot me a pm when you do.
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If you plan on selling 'em, I *might* be interested... shoot me a pm when you do.
ok, will try and remember your handle
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Bean..
why dont you just twist some wires together and run two packs at 14.4v / 3000mAh.
that will run it for quite some time, i'd bet. especialy since the voltage can drop A LOT before it shuts down.
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Bean..
why dont you just twist some wires together and run two packs at 14.4v / 3000mAh.
that will run it for quite some time, i'd bet. especialy since the voltage can drop A LOT before it shuts down.
+T, great idea Nick, the input voltage for the 671 is 15vdc, 2 7.2 packs at 14.4 would be almost ideal, certainly reliable. Right now I have no problems with a 12v SLA, those 7.2 packs would have to be ran nearly dry before dropping even near 12v. I'd hold onto those 7.2 packs Bean...
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playing w/ it now. recording the hogs/cocks game. its very light (w/ no batts), but sturdy. solid build. the menu is easy enough to navigate. the display is great. the levels are better than i expected, kinda like a d10pro. the manual is pretty thick, but easy to read. im trying to figure out how to set the presets and what all the other menu items do. we still dont have any media except the 64mb that was included, so im just recording mp3 right now. stay tuned for more reports and possibly pics if i can borrow a camera.
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I'm thinking hard about selling the mod SBM-1, DAP1 & picking this up. Stock 671 & running the brick in front of it. Can I run the ad500 in front as well? I know it will be 16 bit with the 500.
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Answered my own question. Just came from the Oade site & read all the specs. This look killer! Thanks for the review Nick & others. Now it's time to decide what to sell.
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i have the menu figured out pretty much, but when i set a preset 1.2.or3 differently (ie- 1- 24/48, 2- 24/96, 3 - mp3). all the presets are the same, when i go back through them. its weird. anyone figured the presets out. not a big deal, but im interested. the manual barely covers this.
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i had the same issue...
until i read the manual.
d'oh!!!
if i remember correctly, you set it all up, then cycle back to when it says rec format, and then simply hit enter.
the exact sequence of buttons is outlined. just look in the table of contents for preset info. you'll see it.
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Has there been any talk of make a flavor for the 671? i.e. w,t,or p mods? The ACM is suppose to sound T ish?
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Has there been any talk of make a flavor for the 671? i.e. w,t,or p mods? The ACM is suppose to sound T ish?
For your MBHOs, I would go with an Oade warm UA-5 and connect via spdif.
I haven't heard plans for other mods besides the T-mod. Probably because he has 2 boxes to work on at once (660 and 671) and the T-mod was the most popular mod for the UA5. Not speaking for Doug, but just an educated guess.
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i had the same issue...
until i read the manual.
d'oh!!!
if i remember correctly, you set it all up, then cycle back to when it says rec format, and then simply hit enter.
the exact sequence of buttons is outlined. just look in the table of contents for preset info. you'll see it.
thanks nick. +t
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wooo hoooo. Got it!!
I'm looking thru the manual, and I thought there was a auto-start feature, for it to start playing at a certain TIME, as opposed to a certain dBl level. Can anyone help me here?
I will post pix later. I'm super pleased with this thing. OMG, the feature set! The lcd panel is a thing o' beauty.
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Has there been any talk of make a flavor for the 671? i.e. w,t,or p mods? The ACM is suppose to sound T ish?
For your MBHOs, I would go with an Oade warm UA-5 and connect via spdif.
I haven't heard plans for other mods besides the T-mod. Probably because he has 2 boxes to work on at once (660 and 671) and the T-mod was the most popular mod for the UA5. Not speaking for Doug, but just an educated guess.
I think he just found some new parts he really likes, and that flavor is "Tmodish"
:)
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tested 8 NiMH batteries w/ phantom on and got ~5hrs. this was w/ the unit set to "record pause", cause i dont have enough media for it to record that long. so. im not sure if this was an accurate test w/o the unit actually "writing". also i recorded the tv 140's>671 in mp3 format for a few minutes. the transer from 671>pc via usb was very easy. just showed up as another drive - copy & paste. more to come...
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i'm about to run a set of 1700mAh AAs through the works right now.
will report back...
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Ordering mine tomorrow. Do y'all really think the AD in this box is close to a mod SBM-1 or ad500?
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Ordering mine tomorrow. Do y'all really think the AD in this box is close to a mod SBM-1 or ad500?
Good question.
I'm trying mine stock this weekend. We'll see.
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Ordering mine tomorrow. Do y'all really think the AD in this box is close to a mod SBM-1 or ad500?
Good question.
I'm trying mine stock this weekend. We'll see.
i got a show coming up thurs nite. IF my cf card comes in by then, i will test 140>148>671@24/48. i dont know if its as good as those a/d's, but in my non-professional testing, it sounds really good fwiw. will report back.
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Ordering mine tomorrow. Do y'all really think the AD in this box is close to a mod SBM-1 or ad500?
Good question.
I'm trying mine stock this weekend. We'll see.
i got a show coming up thurs nite. IF my cf card comes in by then, i will test 140>148>671@24/48. i dont know if its as good as those a/d's, but in my non-professional testing, it sounds really good fwiw. will report back.
Good to hear. Also interested to hear what you think after getting it out to a show. I'm prob going to run a comp 148>ad500>671 1st set. 148>671 2nd set. First things first, gotta get it in my hands >:D.
Totally new to 24b recording. Have to say I'm somewhat intimidated.
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Anyone see a way to turn off the speaker completely? I'm about to tape tonite and don't want my taper to accidently bump headphone volume knob and start b'casting!
TIA
Andrew
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in the "output" section, you can select the various analog outputs, and the speaker is one of them I believe.
as for how good the a/d section is.
well, its good enough.
:)
for me any way. a/d is my least critical componant. if the signal being fed to the a/d is a good one, then its all good.
i have faith that the ACM will provide a great signal. right now, my 248 is providing signal, and the recordings thus far have been remarkable.
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fyi: it takes me ~4 mins to transfer a 2gb file from the 671 onto my laptop via a usb2/pcmcia adapter. I tried using a cf pcmcia adapter (the kind that actually HOLDS the cd card) and it took 18 minutes for ONE gb. Again, I'm going usb out on the 671 into my dell 8200 w/ xp SP2, via the pcmcia slot which HAS a usb 2 connection. I don't know what they are called....
4 mins ain't bad. I think I'll hold off on the OTG drive for now.
Tonites taping venture: http://www.staatsoper-berlin.de/en/fs_b2_neu_carmen.htm (http://www.staatsoper-berlin.de/en/fs_b2_neu_carmen.htm)
ciao4now
Andrew
edit to add the pcmcia adapter is: Adaptec's DuoConnect AUA-1422 Usb2.0/1394 CardBus for Notebook
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fyi: it takes me ~4 mins to transfer a 2gb file from the 671 onto my laptop via a usb2/pcmcia adapter. I tried using a cf pcmcia adapter (the kind that actually HOLDS the cd card) and it took 18 minutes for ONE gb. Again, I'm going usb out on the 671 into my dell 8200 w/ xp SP2, via the pcmcia slot which HAS a usb 2 connection. I don't know what they are called....
4 mins ain't bad. I think I'll hold off on the OTG drive for now.
Tonites taping venture: http://www.staatsoper-berlin.de/en/fs_b2_neu_carmen.htm (http://www.staatsoper-berlin.de/en/fs_b2_neu_carmen.htm)
ciao4now
Andrew
good info, thanks +t
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how does the 671 deal w/ files larger than 2GB? auto-split or nothing?
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how does the 671 deal w/ files larger than 2GB? auto-split or nothing?
You can set auto-tracking. I had mine set to track-split every hour, worked like a charm.
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how does the 671 deal w/ files larger than 2GB? auto-split or nothing?
You can set auto-tracking. I had mine set to track-split every hour, worked like a charm.
thanks. +t
note to self: read the manual sober.
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My first two field experiences with the 671 were coming digitally out of a Lunatec V3. Since I had to return the loaner V3, the last two shows have been running line out of a Lunatec V2. I had read some comments from other users about brickwalling on the analog inputs and I am happy to report there were no signs of that on my recordings......
So far I'm really liking the 671!!!!!!
RD
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My first two field experiences with the 671 were coming digitally out of a Lunatec V3. Since I had to return the loaner V3, the last two shows have been running line out of a Lunatec V2. I had read some comments from other users about brickwalling on the analog inputs and I am happy to report there were no signs of that on my recordings......
So far I'm really liking the 671!!!!!!
RD
good deal. i am enjoying mine too. inaugural run (besides my stereo) is thursday nite. jerry joseph solo. should be a good test. how are you powering it and is yours stock?
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My first two field experiences with the 671 were coming digitally out of a Lunatec V3. Since I had to return the loaner V3, the last two shows have been running line out of a Lunatec V2. I had read some comments from other users about brickwalling on the analog inputs and I am happy to report there were no signs of that on my recordings......
So far I'm really liking the 671!!!!!!
RD
You shouldn't have troubles brickwalling the unit if you're going v2 > line in, it's when you're going mic > mic in you'll have the problems without the mod. You have 2 analog inputs, mic and line, I'd use line in if you're using an external preamp.
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My first two field experiences with the 671 were coming digitally out of a Lunatec V3. Since I had to return the loaner V3, the last two shows have been running line out of a Lunatec V2. I had read some comments from other users about brickwalling on the analog inputs and I am happy to report there were no signs of that on my recordings......
So far I'm really liking the 671!!!!!!
RD
You shouldn't have troubles brickwalling the unit if you're going v2 > line in, it's when you're going mic > mic in you'll have the problems without the mod. You have 2 analog inputs, mic and line, I'd use line in if you're using an external preamp.
so when using a m148, should xlr>rca sound better than xlr>xlr? does that make sense?
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so when using a m148, should xlr>rca sound better than xlr>xlr? does that make sense?
Yes, it makes sense.
the XLR inputs are the microphone pre inputs, you'd be passing through the 671's noisy stock preamp. You have a m148, one heck of a preamp, squeaky clean too, you'd be doing it an injustice if you're passing through the 671's stock preamp.
The big UNLESS you're not able to get decent levels through the Line In (RCA in) on the 671, depends on your mics output since the brick adds a non-adjustable +20db of gain.
Go line in if you can, screw the stock preamp, I'd avoid it if at all possible, ESP when running a preamp as nice as the m148. ;)
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great info. +t. fwiw, doug never mentioned a difference. he knew there would be a brick involved and convinced us to skip the mods.
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great info. +t. fwiw, doug never mentioned a difference. he knew there would be a brick involved and convinced us to skip the mods.
Look at it this way...
mics > m148(preamp) > 671mic in 671preamp > 671 a/d > cf
mics > m148 > line > a/d > cf
The weakest link would be the 671's stock preamp, stock is somewhat noisy, hence the Oade mod (along with other reasons). Even if it's modded, I'd still run m148 > line in (levels permitting).
Just the parts alone in the 148 cost about the same price as a pmd670... If only Doug was designing the preamp stage for tascam or marantz...
If you bought it from Doug I'd highly suggest the preamp mod, it sounds great, definitely worth every dollar.
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If you bought it from Doug I'd highly suggest the preamp mod, it sounds great, definitely worth every dollar.
will.never.run.w/o.brick. :P
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If you bought it from Doug I'd highly suggest the preamp mod, it sounds great, definitely worth every dollar.
will.never.run.w/o.brick. :P
Ok, walk with it...
To the post office...
Send it my way...
;D
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Dang... I didn't get to try it out last weekend. I was going to try SBD feed via RCA and 481> mic in, but the band got fired from the place I was going to try it in! Looks like my first time in the field will be RatDog 12-02.
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I was going to try SBD feed via RCA and 481> mic in
at the same time? it will matrix-on-the-fly?
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I was going to try SBD feed via RCA and 481> mic in
at the same time? it will matrix-on-the-fly?
I highly doubt it, as far as I could tell you could only select either the mic OR line inputs. (spdif too)
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thats what i figured. just curious.
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I was going to try SBD feed via RCA and 481> mic in
at the same time? it will matrix-on-the-fly?
I highly doubt it, as far as I could tell you could only select either the mic OR line inputs. (spdif too)
No, mic in and line in for different sets. Not sure if you can do line in and mic in at the same time. I assume not...
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how are you powering it and is yours stock?
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I run 2500 mh Powerex NiMH rechargeable batteries to power mine and I get 6+ hours on a set of batteries. I do have an extra battery holder with another set of batteries in it that I can use for those marathon recording sessions..... but so far I haven't needed more than one set. Sure is sweet to not carry an outboard battery system.
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sweet. i am using the exact same batts. good to know. also, i just got done w/ my first ambient recording w/ this thing (besides record my stereo). i setup ROH (right of honda) in my garage 140>671 and recorded this wicked storm going over. mainly i was testing the auto-split feature, it is seamless. also i cant hear or see the overs in wavelab, which is good i think.
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yinz got a link to those batts+la crosse charger ???
thanks,Bean
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yinz got a link to those batts+la crosse charger ???
thanks,Bean
Here you go....
http://www.thomas-distributing.com/articlelive/articles/8/1/La-Crosse-BC-900-Advanced-Battery-Charge
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Does anybody know where unity gain is on the 671 when running line in? Since I'll usually be running a V2 in front of the 671, I'd like to set it up properly..... FYI, I called Marantz tech support and they were clueless.
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+T Dawg ;D
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still cant find the batts on that site tho ???
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still cant find the batts on that site tho ???
Try this one....
http://www.thomas-distributing.com
or this one.....
http://www.thomas-distributing.com/aa-nimh-batteries.php#aarechargeablebatteries
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+T, I found them after 20 minutes looking on the site :P :smoking:
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+T, I found them after 20 minutes looking on the site :P :smoking:
Bean, i ordered a Maha charger and some Powerex's from Thomas last month and it took me forever to navigate thru that site. Great products & prices, poor web site, methinks...
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I just bought these:
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4035099
2700 mAh at 1.25 volts. 4/$10
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+T, im still unsure if i wanna go w/ these 8 x AA's or some 12v NIMH 5000mah packs for going straight into the 671 ??? i have a dope NIMH charger so........
again, these sem to be the least hassle, less weight in the long run
just buy a few extra sled's for the 671 and keep them loaded w/ fully charged batts to keep swapping at festies ;D
I can now sell my last 6v eco+charger finally, im gonna miss sla's tho, i ran them for 6 years :(
anybody want a good condition eco 6v 7.2amp+eco charger? and also fs are a 'chun' smart charger for NIMH/NICD RC packs!
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maiden voyage last night for jerry joseph solo at the south's chattiest bar. ran u89(hypers)>148>671(line-in)@24/48. first, let me say, this box is a frickin breeze to use. especially w/ the presets. the levels are awesome (fast/accurate). the show was short so the batts were not an issue, but ive been getting well over 4 hours testing at home. the recording is as good as can be expected considering the crap pa, the chatty drunks, and boomy room. cant wait to get this thing in a more acoustic pleasing enviroment. that said, if you are on the fence about getting a 671, DO IT! especially if you already have a fav pre. if not wait til the acm comes out and have one hell of a all-in-one box for 1/2 the price of a 722. i am ecstatic w/ the stock unit.
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maiden voyage last night for jerry joseph solo at the south's chattiest bar. ran u89(hypers)>148>671(line-in)@24/48. first, let me say, this box is a frickin breeze to use. especially w/ the presets. the levels are awesome (fast/accurate). the show was short so the batts were not an issue, but ive been getting well over 4 hours testing at home. the recording is as good as can be expected considering the crap pa, the chatty drunks, and boomy room. cant wait to get this thing in a more acoustic pleasing enviroment. that said, if you are on the fence about getting a 671, DO IT! especially if you already have a fav pre. if not wait til the acm comes out and have one hell of a all-in-one box for 1/2 the price of a 722. i am ecstatic w/ the stock unit.
+T for the maiden voyage...
You'd be suprised at how nice the BCM is, it stacked up quite nicely against a V3 analog out > DVRA-1000 which has a pretty kick ass A/D.
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the "gain utility" is the knobs on the front. they are used for mic and line input. what I dont know...is if it acts as an attenuator durring line input mode ala DAP1. If that were the case, youd want to run it as wide open as possible and adjust the preamp accordingly.
IMO, if you know the V2s normal gain settings w/your mics, then just adjust the 671s gain so that you are able to run the V2 in the usual manner.
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So the 671 has USB out, and the new tascam unit has firewire out, no? What kind of transfer times are you guys getting on the USB transfers with this?
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So the 671 has USB out, and the new tascam unit has firewire out, no? What kind of transfer times are you guys getting on the USB transfers with this?
i moved 2.75gb in 8 minutes via usb1.1. that may be long to some, but i just found something else to do while it x-ferred. couldnt be happier.
the "gain utility" is the knobs on the front. they are used for mic and line input. what I dont know...is if it acts as an attenuator durring line input mode ala DAP1. If that were the case, youd want to run it as wide open as possible and adjust the preamp accordingly.
IMO, if you know the V2s normal gain settings w/your mics, then just adjust the 671s gain so that you are able to run the V2 in the usual manner.
you lost me here nick. with the m148 there are no adjustments, so i adjusted accordingly w/ the 671. is running the 671 wide-open a good/bad thing.
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you lost me here nick. with the m148 there are no adjustments, so i adjusted accordingly w/ the 671. is running the 671 wide-open a good/bad thing.
I didn't have a clue what he meant either. :P
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I was reffering to using a preamp in front that had adjustable gain, like a V2 or something.
sorry..I thought that was the innitial question.
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I was reffering to using a preamp in front that had adjustable gain, like a V2 or something.
sorry..I thought that was the innitial question.
I was referring to this:
the "gain utility" is the knobs on the front. they are used for mic and line input. what I dont know...is if it acts as an attenuator durring line input mode ala DAP1. If that were the case, youd want to run it as wide open as possible and adjust the preamp accordingly.
I'm sure Doug knows if the Line input is just a padded Mic input, if I remember correctly, he told me no, but I could be confusing that with the R-4.
For those of you that don't know what we're talking about, some manufactures create a Line input by attenuating the Mic input so that it can handle Line levels. With this design the Line input STILL passes through the preamp of the recorder. Basically you have Mic input > preamp > a/d >media or Line input (which is a padded mic input) > preamp >a/d >media.
An example of a unit that does it the correct way is the PCM-M1 Line input and Mic input are 2 entirely different circuits. Mic input > preamp > a/d > media and Line input is Line input > a/d > media.
IMO I'd choose the most dirrect route and if using an external preamp, circumvent the units preamp.
Hope that makes sense.
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I'm going to be recording Ratdog in December with the stock 671 and a Warm UA-5.
How long are Ratdog sets now? At 24 bit, 48 Khz, my 4 GB card can record for 4 hours. Will that cover it?
Also, I'm debating whether to go line out of the UA-5 or S/PDIF out? Or maybe change it up between sets to compare the A/D converters? It'll be my first out of the living room recording I do with the 671.
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I'm going to be recording Ratdog in December with the stock 671 and a Warm UA-5.
How long are Ratdog sets now? At 24 bit, 48 Khz, my 4 GB card can record for 4 hours. Will that cover it?
Also, I'm debating whether to go line out of the UA-5 or S/PDIF out? Or maybe change it up between sets to compare the A/D converters? It'll be my first out of the living room recording I do with the 671.
4 hrs should be PLENTY, remember, bobby is getting older ;)
id say he played about 2.5-3 hrs MAX at the greensburg show i saw
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I'm going to be recording Ratdog in December with the stock 671 and a Warm UA-5.
How long are Ratdog sets now? At 24 bit, 48 Khz, my 4 GB card can record for 4 hours. Will that cover it?
Also, I'm debating whether to go line out of the UA-5 or S/PDIF out? Or maybe change it up between sets to compare the A/D converters? It'll be my first out of the living room recording I do with the 671.
4 hrs should be PLENTY, remember, bobby is getting older ;)
id say he played about 2.5-3 hrs MAX at the greensburg show i saw
Yeah, I thought so. So it's like the GD were doing in the late 80's, early 90's. A one hour first set and 1 1/2 hour second set...
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So the 671 has USB out, and the new tascam unit has firewire out, no? What kind of transfer times are you guys getting on the USB transfers with this?
i moved 2.75gb in 8 minutes via usb1.1. that may be long to some, but i just found something else to do while it x-ferred. couldnt be happier.
the "gain utility" is the knobs on the front. they are used for mic and line input. what I dont know...is if it acts as an attenuator durring line input mode ala DAP1. If that were the case, youd want to run it as wide open as possible and adjust the preamp accordingly.
IMO, if you know the V2s normal gain settings w/your mics, then just adjust the 671s gain so that you are able to run the V2 in the usual manner.
you lost me here nick. with the m148 there are no adjustments, so i adjusted accordingly w/ the 671. is running the 671 wide-open a good/bad thing.
FWIW, Doug told me the best gain structure would be to run the 671 knobs at "7" and run the outboard pre-amps knobs to get the appropriate levels on the 671 meters.
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Well, I canceled my order with Oade. Going to wait & see what the Tascam unit is all about first. If it uses the same AD chip as the V3 I might prefer it. Time will tell.
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let us know how it goes. when does that thing ship?
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Yeah, did Doug say anything to you that changed your mind?
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Yeah, did Doug say anything to you that changed your mind?
Not really. He did say if I'm not in a hurry & I'm not. Why not wait. It looks like he may do more mods to the tascam unit. W/T/P mods on the pre. He said a bunch of others that I'm not going to post because I'll prob get them wrong.
Ship date is 2nd week in December. But take it with a grain of salt.
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2nd time out w/ the 671. ran 140>148>671 using xlr>rca. im in love. thats all i can say. :happy:
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indeed.
i'm very happy w/mine to. all packed up in a little camera case. one battery. ultra cool.
can't wait for the mod to materialize...that will cut my stuff in 1/2!
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I'm very happy with the way my stock PMD 671 performs in the field. I've used it with a w-mod UA-5 (coax in) and line in from my DAW. I'm especially impressed with the meters. They seem to be quite accurate and I am comfortable with the way they work.
I have my recorder set up, so when I turn it on, it is properly configured and ready to go. Fire it up, just push the record slider and away i go. I used an external battery pack to record RatDog recently. (8) AA 2500 mAh Powersonic NiMH batteries. They recorded the whole three hours plus show with lots of room to spare. My Kingston 4 GB CF card worked flawlessly. I have noticed that the headphone output isn't very good, it's hardly able to drive the several sets of headphones I've tried with it. This isn't a big deal for me, but if you want to use headphones with this recorder, you should get a separate portable headphone amp.
Now, i just have to get it ACM moded before the Boulder ARU shows in January. I can't wait to use it with this modification!
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I'm very happy with the way my stock PMD 671 performs in the field. I've used it with a w-mod UA-5 (coax in) and line in from my DAW. I'm especially impressed with the meters. They seem to be quite accurate and I am comfortable with the way they work.
+T Chuck, glad to hear it's working out for you. Those meters are pretty sweet, probably the best out of all the CF recorders from what I've seen.
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sweet, good insight chuck, glad its working out for you as well
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chuck- have you run into any problems transferring from 671>DAW? i havent either, just askin. :)
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chuck- have you run into any problems transferring from 671>DAW? i havent either, just askin. :)
Please excuse my lack of knowledge, but what's a DAW?
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Digital Audio Workstation ;)
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chuck- have you run into any problems transferring from 671>DAW? i havent either, just askin. :)
I use an outboard card reader USB 1.1. It took 53 minutes to transfer a little over 3 hours of audio this way.
DAW, is basically a computer optimized for audio with speakers and editing tools. As Bean said, Digital Audio Workstation.
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chuck- have you run into any problems transferring from 671>DAW? i havent either, just askin. :)
I use an outboard card reader USB 1.1. It took 53 minutes to transfer a little over 3 hours of audio this way.
DAW, is basically a computer optimized for audio with speakers and editing tools. As Bean said, Digital Audio Workstation.
Cool, I didn't even know it, but I have a DAW. :P
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chuck- have you run into any problems transferring from 671>DAW? i havent either, just askin. :)
I use an outboard card reader USB 1.1. It took 53 minutes to transfer a little over 3 hours of audio this way.
DAW, is basically a computer optimized for audio with speakers and editing tools. As Bean said, Digital Audio Workstation.
i have not had to transfer a file *quite* that big yet, but i get better time going straight usb from 671>DAW. ymmv.
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chuck- have you run into any problems transferring from 671>DAW? i havent either, just askin. :)
I use an outboard card reader USB 1.1. It took 53 minutes to transfer a little over 3 hours of audio this way.
Let me clarify: 3+ hours of 24 bit 48 kHz audio.
I will try the cable that came with the 671 and see if it goes any faster that way.
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Doug e-mailed that the parts for the ACM still haven't cleared customs and mods will be delayed until after Jan. 1 :(
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Doug e-mailed that the parts for the ACM still haven't cleared customs and mods will be delayed until after Jan. 1 :(
That's too bad, I was curious to see how this thing sounded.
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it sounds great w/ your favorite pre in front of it. :)
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I'm thinking my favorite pre will be ACM ;)
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I just ordered a 671 from Oades, $830 shipped! He said the ACM mod will be ready in Jan. and that he is considering trying to leave the line-in intact if possible, but he's not sure yet.
Do you have a link to the battery you are using chuck?
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http://www.thomas-distributing.com/mahabatteries.htm
PowerEx 2500 mAh
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Thanks! T+
So you are running it as an external pack or internal AAs?
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I just ordered a 671 from Oades, $830 shipped! He said the ACM mod will be ready in Jan. and that he is considering trying to leave the line-in intact if possible, but he's not sure yet.
Do you have a link to the battery you are using chuck?
great news regarding line in. chuck and i both use 8aa nimh (powerflex?).
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Thanks! T+
So you are running it as an external pack or internal AAs?
Both.
I ended up getting 16 NiMH and made an external battery pack, plus the internal pack.
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Thanks guys,
I just ordered my batteries, now for media.
What's the final verdict with Hitachi Microdrives?
Also I found PNY 4g CF cards for $200, any reason why that card would not work?
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doug says the microdrives are no good. get a kingston cf.
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Thanks guys,
I just ordered my batteries, now for media.
What's the final verdict with Hitachi Microdrives?
Also I found PNY 4g CF cards for $200, any reason why that card would not work?
I couldn't be bothered to bargain hunt when I bought a Kingston 4GB 45x Monday night. I got mine from zipzoomfly.com for $229 with free 2 day fed ex shipping, no tax.
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Well, Doug says that he doesn't like them because they are prone to eventually fail, but that they will work. I was looking for someone that has actually used one to know what the actual performance of them in this machine is.
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Well, Doug says that he doesn't like them because they are prone to eventually fail, but that they will work. I was looking for someone that has actually used one to know what the actual performance of them in this machine is.
Some microtrack guys use them. Not sure about and PMD 671 users. I use the 4 GB Kingston CF card and am happy with it.
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Thanks Chuck and Dre for the help,
I'm going to be getting a 4g card and most likely will haul my laptop around with me until I can afford more media.
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any update on when the ACM mods might be available?
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last i heard was after the new year.
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Ran the 671 at the Christmas Jam this past Saturday and was able to get the whole thing using 2 sets of rechargeable batteries. I had 2 6 volt ecocharge batteries powering the V3 and had 2 of the Kingston 4gb cards. Just over 4 hours into the show, I switched batteries on the ecocharge and the Marantz... and switched CF cards. Got everything with no problem! I've seeded the Mule & Serial Pod sets at the bt.etree site in both 24 bit & 16 bit.
RD
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Well, Doug says that he doesn't like them because they are prone to eventually fail, but that they will work. I was looking for someone that has actually used one to know what the actual performance of them in this machine is.
What speed is the PNY card?
The Kingston 45x 4GB cards aren't much more, you can usually score them new for around $200 on Dell's site with rebates from time to time. If I'm already spending $200, I'd rather spend the extra $30 and get a card that works for sure, but that's me.
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Well, Doug says that he doesn't like them because they are prone to eventually fail, but that they will work. I was looking for someone that has actually used one to know what the actual performance of them in this machine is.
Some microtrack guys use them. Not sure about and PMD 671 users. I use the 4 GB Kingston CF card and am happy with it.
A Hitachi 4GB microdrive would not work in my ACM 660. I was able to return it minus 10% :(
I run a 4GB Kingston and a 1GB Sandisc.....haven't found a use for the 64mB yet ;D
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i really can't wait to hear this box/ some of Doug's mods...
saving my money until then....
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Has anybody talked to Doug lately about the ACM?
The last time I heard he hadn't gotten the parts yet, but was thinking they would be there soon and he could start work in January.
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I have heard from Doug.
I do believe the parts are in. He wanted to wait until the holidays were over before figuring out his upgrade schedule and moving forward.
so....dont bug him. he'll let us know. patience...
:)
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I have heard from Doug.
I do believe the parts are in. He wanted to wait until the holidays were over before figuring out his upgrade schedule and moving forward.
so....dont bug him. he'll let us know. patience...
:)
Got an e-mail from Doug and he's going to try to start shipping the ACM 671s hopefully the end of next week.... So I placed my order! ;D
Edit: Oh and the price of these suckers are $1199
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I have heard from Doug.
I do believe the parts are in. He wanted to wait until the holidays were over before figuring out his upgrade schedule and moving forward.
so....dont bug him. he'll let us know. patience...
:)
Got an e-mail from Doug and he's going to try to start shipping the ACM 671s hopefully the end of next week.... So I placed my order! ;D
Edit: Oh and the price of these suckers are $1199
That's what I was afraid of.
I would have been better off waiting. It looks like since I ordered mine in advance, I'll get mine modded after the people that waited.... :(
I even asked him about this and he told me I should order in advance.... not happy here...
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I wonder how this thing compares to the new tascam cf recorder? I also wonder if Doug could do a similar mod on the tascam recorder. The 671 looks nice, but if the hd-p2 is half as reliable as my p1, it'll be a good thing.
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I talked to Doug today and asked himto track a serial number on a modsbm1 for me, and he was nice as could be
I totally forgot to ask him whats up w/ these
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what are you worried about chuck. just box it up and send it back to him. i'm sure he'll get around to it ASAP.
thats what i'm doing.
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I wonder how this thing compares to the new tascam cf recorder? I also wonder if Doug could do a similar mod on the tascam recorder. The 671 looks nice, but if the hd-p2 is half as reliable as my p1, it'll be a good thing.
i have run a dap1 and now a 671. as far as build goes, id say both are rugged (but should be run in a porta brace all the same). the 671 is lighter, but not in a bad way.l
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I have heard from Doug.
I do believe the parts are in. He wanted to wait until the holidays were over before figuring out his upgrade schedule and moving forward.
so....dont bug him. he'll let us know. patience...
:)
Got an e-mail from Doug and he's going to try to start shipping the ACM 671s hopefully the end of next week.... So I placed my order! ;D
Edit: Oh and the price of these suckers are $1199
Does anyone know what would be closest to a w-mod interms of the 671.....its tax season and I am going to pull the trigger on one of these badboys.......I will be using it with a set of MBHO's
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what do you currently run the ho's into? wmod ua5?
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what are you worried about chuck. just box it up and send it back to him. i'm sure he'll get around to it ASAP.
thats what i'm doing.
I've got ARU coming up in two weeks.
I guess it's good I kept one of my DAT's.
I've never had to sent anything to him. I assume I should call him first ???
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yes. give him a call and tell him the "word on the street"...
and his responce will be "ship it to me next week". thats what he told me. he as to wrap up some EOY stuff first.
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yes. give him a call and tell him the "word on the street"...
and his responce will be "ship it to me next week". thats what he told me. he as to wrap up some EOY stuff first.
will do ;D +T
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when I talked to him today, he did mention that its going to be a very busy early quarter of the year for him :)
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when I talked to him today, he did mention that its going to be a very busy early quarter of the year for him :)
I'm doing my part to keep him busy ;D
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what do you currently run the ho's into? wmod ua5?
nope, but I have heard the ho's wmod combo and I liked it...I currently use MBHO648/KA200>minime>M1 I will still use the minime most of the time and run digi in on the pmd671...but I want the option to run it as a all-in-box too......
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what do you currently run the ho's into? wmod ua5?
nope, but I have heard the ho's wmod combo and I liked it...I currently use MBHO648/KA200>minime>M1 I will still use the minime most of the time and run digi in on the pmd671...but I want the option to run it as a all-in-box too......
the ACM mod is said to be "transparent".
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which it is...
actualy, the parts used in the 671, are ...I believe... going to be a new part that has not been used in other upgraded boxes. Maybe i'm wrong. but when I spoke to him about it, he had great excitement about these silk based caps he was waiting for.
i'm pumped...
should be $350 well spent for the upgrade. I know I certainly couldn't find another preamp for that price that would come anywhere near what I expect this to sound like.
hows that for a lot of speculation?
:)
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keep us informed as to whether or not the line-in will still be active after the mod. :)
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will do
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which it is...
actualy, the parts used in the 671, are ...I believe... going to be a new part that has not been used in other upgraded boxes. Maybe i'm wrong. but when I spoke to him about it, he had great excitement about these silk based caps he was waiting for.
i'm pumped...
should be $350 well spent for the upgrade. I know I certainly couldn't find another preamp for that price that would come anywhere near what I expect this to sound like.
hows that for a lot of speculation?
:)
Sounds cool....I just want something that sounds warm, ho's are bright to begin with and my thoughts are "transparent" =bright and bright +bright = a high pitched harshness. The best example I can give is I don't like they way Ho's sound with a V3 But I like the way they sound with a minime(which is what I have) and a wmod ua5, I love that sound. I am just hoping that whatever the mod is he offers different flavors along the lines of what he did with the ua5. It would be cool to have a all=in=one box to use for those times when space is at a premium. O' and thanks nick for all the work you do on reviewing equipment for us tapers.....T+
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sell the minime and get a stock 671 and a wmod ua5 and run line in at 24 bit. :)
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sell the minime and get a stock 671 and a wmod ua5 and run line in at 24 bit. :)
I love the minime more.....I want the option of a all-in-one box or with a front end......
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the jury is still out on whether or not line-in will be active after the mod.
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so what you are saying is that the MBHO's sound like shit, unless they have added color?
:)
If a W mod is what you seek, then you probably want to go w/the Fostex FR2.
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so what you are saying is that the MBHO's sound like shit, unless they have added color?
:)
If a W mod is what you seek, then you probably want to go w/the Fostex FR2.
no thats not what I am saying, I am saying its a bright mic, I just don't want to make them any brighter......
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Any one seen the portbrace for the 670/671 ? If so, how is it?
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Any one seen the portbrace for the 670/671 ? If so, how is it?
i use one and it's perfect.
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Any one seen the portbrace for the 670/671 ? If so, how is it?
i use one and it's perfect.
How many compartments does it have? The pic on the PortaBrace site is different then the ones you can find on the Internet.
Edit: Any way you can post a pic or two?
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i dont have a camera, but it has one pocket on the top (big enough for 15ft silver cables) and the sides are velcro'ed for easy access. takes up about a 1/2" more in the bag than it did w/o. course it has the clear flap.
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So this isn't the Porta Brace AR-PMD650? This looks like it has 3 compartments and it says its for the PMD-670?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&Q=&is=REG&O=productlist&sku=196597
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mine is WAY smaller. yes, model # ar-pmd650. weird. maybe that one pictured just has added pockets?
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mine is WAY smaller. yes, model # ar-pmd650. weird. maybe that one pictured just has added pockets?
Crap!
What do other poeple use?
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http://www.portabrace.com/product_detail_C.php?id=2251
http://www.portabrace.com/product_detail_C.php?id=2446
http://www.portabrace.com/product_detail_A.php?id=2653
all these are for the marantz recorders and should work(with the 671), according to my POC at portabrace .
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the acm 671 will be my next upgrade... but we're talking well into the year... fall or so...
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never mind, read back a few pages :P
the 671 is PIMPin'
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mine is WAY smaller. yes, model # ar-pmd650. weird. maybe that one pictured just has added pockets?
Crap!
What do other poeple use?
rick- mine looks more like the 690 that ray linked to.
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I've got a 671 and I either use a LowePro Nova 5 or a Marantz "reporter style" bag. If you're just carrying the recorder and microphones... the Marantz bag works perfectly. If you're also carrying a preamp and outboard batteries, I'd suggest a bigger bag like the Nova 5.... or various Portabrace or Petrol bags. Since somebody has already posted pics of the the Portabrace bags, here's a few pics of the Petrol bags (which I've heard a few people like better than the Portabrace bags), and the simple Marantz bag.
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I ended up just getting the Marantz bag... There's someone on ebay selling them for $80 shipped.
RDumm, is there a pocket under the 671?
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A couple other comments on the different bags..... The Marantz bag functions fine if you don't want to carry a bunch of stuff other than your recorder, mics & cables. It's obvious this bag was originally designed for other Marantz recorders and isn't nearly as well built as the Petrol or Portabrace bags.... but then again it's a lot less money and does transport and protect the unit. Like Portabrace... Petrol makes a number of different bags and the two that attract the most interest from tapers are the PEGZ-2 (larger) and the PEGZ-1 (smaller). For more on the Petrol bags go to:
http://www.petrolbags.com/new_petrol_site/
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I ended up just getting the Marantz bag... There's someone on ebay selling them for $80 shipped.
RDumm, is there a pocket under the 671?
There is a zippered pocket under the recorder.... but it's not something I'd put a Lunatec in..... just microphones, cables or other accessories. One thing on the Marantz bag is that the photo of the bag I saw on Marantz & B&H's websites is different from the bag I received. The pictures I've seen were green and the bag I got was black.
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I ended up just getting the Marantz bag... There's someone on ebay selling them for $80 shipped.
RDumm, is there a pocket under the 671?
There is a zippered pocket under the recorder.... but it's not something I'd put a Lunatec in..... just microphones, cables or other accessories. One thing on the Marantz bag is that the photo of the bag I saw on Marantz & B&H's websites is different from the bag I received. The pictures I've seen were green and the bag I got was black.
Thanks! That's what I wanted... I just need a place to put my 140s and actives. Looks like I might need to find a flatter and wider Tupperware then I already have though :) The only other thing I have is widscreens and a clap and looks like I can squeeze that in somewhere.
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So has anyone actually received and used their ACM 671 yet?
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So has anyone actually received and used their ACM 671 yet?
i doubt anyone has gotten their's yet. soon though.
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So has anyone actually received and used their ACM 671 yet?
i doubt anyone has gotten their's yet. soon though.
From Doug on the 5th
"...we should start shipping them at the end of next week...Doug"
For my order they told me the 3rd week of Jan. but I'm not holding my breathe.
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Does the 671 have time code in or out? Could you sync a pair of them?
I dont believe it does, at this point, only the hd-p2 does for sure and the fr2/722 could but i dont know all of their specifics
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Does the 671 have time code in or out? Could you sync a pair of them?
no sir.
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So, has anybody got their ACM mod 671 yet?
I spoke to Doug today. He said mine will be shipped out next week ;D
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Nimh batteries died in the 671. i went to the store to buy regular AA's. they DID NOT work. not sure what the deal is...
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Nimh batteries died in the 671. i went to the store to buy regular AA's. they DID NOT work. not sure what the deal is...
wtf? ???
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Nimh batteries died in the 671. i went to the store to buy regular AA's. they DID NOT work. not sure what the deal is...
wtf? ???
Make sure the contacts are touching the batteries. I don't have a 671 so I just trying to help.
Check this thread about the 660, I had much problems with this but not any more. Shaving the plastic might be the better option.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=55029.0
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i read that thread, but i dont think it was the same issue. the battery level meter was "empty" when i shut it down to change batts. i put the new batts in and when i turned it on the screen was very dim and it said "low battery". then it would shut itself off. it didnt even say "low battery" when the Nimh's were dying. there is wasy to chnage the batt type in the menu, but i couldnt change the setting w/ dead batts. ???
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there is wasy to chnage the batt type in the menu, but i couldnt change the setting w/ dead batts. ???
Can't you use the AC cord for power?
EDIT: Then you could change then setting... Though even if its on the wrong setting the 671 should power up if the batteries were charged.
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i couldnt exactly use the AC cord last nite in the field. i can try and recreate the problem at home...
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i read that thread, but i dont think it was the same issue. the battery level meter was "empty" when i shut it down to change batts. i put the new batts in and when i turned it on the screen was very dim and it said "low battery". then it would shut itself off. it didnt even say "low battery" when the Nimh's were dying. there is wasy to chnage the batt type in the menu, but i couldnt change the setting w/ dead batts. ???
One of my problems with the 660 was, I would put 4 NiMH (only holds 4) in and I would get a half battery reading because it will still powered with two batteries and I wasn't getting contact with the other two. With your eight batteries perhaps you are only contacting half or a quarter of your power supply? I would disregard my last post and not look at this as a problem. Before every recording now I get my finger nail behind the contacts and bend them out slightly to insure I have full contact. Good Luck.
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i read that thread, but i dont think it was the same issue. the battery level meter was "empty" when i shut it down to change batts. i put the new batts in and when i turned it on the screen was very dim and it said "low battery". then it would shut itself off. it didnt even say "low battery" when the Nimh's were dying. there is wasy to chnage the batt type in the menu, but i couldnt change the setting w/ dead batts. ???
The main reason you'd want to change the battery type is just to keep the battery level meter accurate. (1.2v vs. 1.5v) It'd either be a contact issue (in wrong or just making a poor contact) or bad batteries. It's easy to mess up the polarity when you have to put 8 batteries in.
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i read that thread, but i dont think it was the same issue. the battery level meter was "empty" when i shut it down to change batts. i put the new batts in and when i turned it on the screen was very dim and it said "low battery". then it would shut itself off. it didnt even say "low battery" when the Nimh's were dying. there is wasy to chnage the batt type in the menu, but i couldnt change the setting w/ dead batts. ???
bad batteries
Displayed Charger1
Doug recommended this for me. I love it. With new batteries, I use the refresh setting. It will discharge then recharge until it gets the battery fully charged, this will take days as it keeps a memory of each cycle until it is repeatable. It will also display the charge level of my battery. The 2500mAh batteries are registering about 2300 mAh each.
http://www.thomas-distributing.com/la_crosse_bc-900_battery_charger.php
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That charger looks really nice! Interesting accessories too... very tempting!
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i've got one too. great charger.
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So, has anybody got their ACM mod 671 yet?
I spoke to Doug today. He said mine will be shipped out next week ;D
Mine is going to be shipped on Tuesday.
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Doug's back is acting up... so mine's been delayed until next week :(
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this jut in... 148>671 is frickin amazing. :o
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of course it is.
248>671 doesn't suck either
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Any shows of late done with the 671 on bt.etree.org?
Love to hear km184s>ACM 671 to compare with the ACM 660...any insight Nick? better/same.
If I come across some $ this summer I might get the ACM 671 for open recording and keep my 660 for stealth. Love the 660...front row Willie Nelson was killer, except when I started playing with the attenuation.
First 45 minutes -20dB and my levels were too low (but I was able to bump them up with SF) so I switched to 0dB and couldn't see my levels well enough and got the left channel too high for the last 60 minutes. Need a mirror in my hand so I can see them. I have the 660 in the front pocket of a hoodie sweat shirt laying side ways...got paranoid that I was kinking my neck and pulling on my pocket up right in front of Willie. Once my wife threw him a fatty I don't think he cared about anything but enjoying it after the show. A few thank yous from him after that ;D
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i have recorded lots of local acts 140>148>671. i rarely post any of it for lack of interest, but i could send you some 24 bit files.
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i dont know anyone who has the ACM671 yet, but I think there are a few out there.
IMO, it will sound better. the silk caps Doug uses for that mod are different than the 660 upgrade. Plus, its 24bit...so you get that added benne in fidelity
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My ACM671 just arrived.
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now go tape. t for toys.
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the oade bros. are apparently offering a "Super Mod" for high gain situations. this doesn't appear to apply to us directly as concert tapers, but maybe.
http://oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/PMD-671MODS.html
ps, sorry if this has already been posted.
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I think that mod will also come in handy when taping orchestras and your a little ways back.
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How do you adjust your levels before you press record? When I power up the unit I don't see any levels until I hit record :-\
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$1299 for the ACM?
I thought it was $1199 ???
I'm pretty sure that's what he told me...
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$1299 for the ACM?
I thought it was $1199 ???
I'm pretty sure that's what he told me...
I'm pretty mad now too... I just noticed on my packing slip it only says Advance MOD and I only paid $1199. I was clear when I placed the order I wanted the ACM. And I've been clear with Doug on my e-mails. Now I have to pay to ship it back and pay another $100... I'm not happy. >:(
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I thought the advance mod was the ACM.
advance, over basic mod.
as for adjusting levels, try "record/pause" , just like every other deck you've owned.
:)
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Anyone know if the gain range is adjustable?..it says -40 dB to 0 dB...is that just two settings or multiple?
Just wondering for the future purchase. It is tax time!
Talk to Doug before you get >:(, I'm sure he will work with you. I had agreat transaction with my ACM 660.
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How do you adjust your levels before you press record? When I power up the unit I don't see any levels until I hit record :-\
use "record/pause" then slide the record button when you are ready to roll. if you hit it late it adds 5 seconds (of what you missed) @24/48. ten seconds if you run 16/44.
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Damn, at $1300, that becomes quite close to the cost of a used V3 + MT, which might be a better route to take.
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isn't a V3 $1300?
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isn't a V3 $1300?
Aberg references a used V3. Several have gone for $950 to $1100 without the optical out.
$950 + $300 MT + CF card or microdrive.
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Talk to Doug before you get >:(, I'm sure he will work with you. I had agreat transaction with my ACM 660.
Doug is going to fix it for me :)
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Talk to Doug before you get >:(, I'm sure he will work with you. I had agreat transaction with my ACM 660.
Doug is going to fix it for me :)
Great to hear...now let us know when you post your first recording...I can't wait for the Heat>671 sound!
Get out there and tape
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I gave my stock 671 up in trade for an ACM660.
going to shelf 24bit for a while.
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isn't a V3 $1300?
Aberg references a used V3. Several have gone for $950 to $1100 without the optical out.
$950 + $300 MT + CF card or microdrive.
Yeah, exactly. Since you'd need a CF card in either case, you have to wonder whether the used v3 + mt combo sounds better than an ACM 671.. I'd like to hear that comparison at 24/48.
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i'm sure the analog sections would be close.....if not slightly better w/the Oades. but the v3 a/d section...no comparrison there.
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i'm sure the analog sections would be close.....if not slightly better w/the Oades.
I've yet to hear an Oade-modded analog stage that sounds better than the V3, so I'd be a bit surprised if that was the case here.
but the v3 a/d section...no comparrison there.
Agreed - V3 RAWKS!! :P
I'm game for comps if anyone in the Chicago area picks up a mod671. :)
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the V3 is all that...and a bag of dorritos isnt it.
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I gave my stock 671 up in trade for an ACM660.
going to shelf 24bit for a while.
I was so close to bailing on the ACM 671.
I'm going to be real bummed if Doug jacked the price up to $1300 for that mod.
I was thinking $1200 was a bit steep, but $1300... :(
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the V3 is all that...and a bag of dorritos isnt it.
To my ears, yes. But what I was getting at with the Oade-modded gear not quite stacking up to the V3 is something along these lines...
I'm a BIG believer in the mods the Oade Bros perform. I've owned a digi-mod UA5, a warm-mod UA5, and now a transparent-plus UA5 - all of which provided significant improvement over the stock unit. I'm simply stunned at the T+, especially in unamplified situations - to my ears (no measurements taken), it's as quiet as the V3 at very high gain, and quieter than the 722. I'm thrilled with how the Oade mods not only changed the sonic characteristics, but also so dramatically reduce the noise floor. I far prefer the T+ UA5 with my 414s than the V3, due mostly to the sonic characteristics of the T+ mod (given the noise floor to my ears is equal v. the V3).
However, even the T+ doesn't quite compare to the V3 in subtle ways - soundstaging, for example. Through no fault of the Oade Bros mods, mind you!
The V3 (like similar devices in its class) was designed and engineered from the ground up as an uber-HQ portable preamp and ADC with very few (serious) shortcuts implemented in the final product. The gear the Oade Bros modify, in it's original state pre-mod, typically is not designed and engineered by the manufacturers from the ground up as uber-HQ gear. The manufacturers make fairly substantial, readily audible compromises and shortcuts. If they didn't, the gear wouldn't need modifying.
Anyway, all this blathering to put it another way: you can take a Saturn sedan and swap out a bunch of mediocre parts with high performance/quality parts, but it still won't quite compare to the (IMO) super nice and HQ Volvo S60 - the low level, detailed engineering simply isn't there in the Saturn, regardless of the parts swapping.
All that said, I'm open to the potential for the mod-671 to top out the V3, but based on the above comments and previous listening I'm skeptical it will. If it does - great! More HQ options for recording gear is a Good Thing.
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where is the marantz 24 bit version of 660?
I have been hoping they would offer 24bit pre/ad in a small package
would be the perfect bit bucket for a V3 too....
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where is the marantz 24 bit version of 660?
I have been hoping they would offer 24bit pre/ad in a small package
would be the perfect bit bucket for a V3 too....
PMD 671 does 24 bit
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and would still be a great bit bucket.
the price on the stock units has dropped, though I dont know how much. It is certainly in the same price class as a new Sony M1 was. MUCH cheaper than a dappy was/is.
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where is the marantz 24 bit version of 660?
I have been hoping they would offer 24bit pre/ad in a small package
would be the perfect bit bucket for a V3 too....
I didn't think the ACM 660 could take the V3's signal.
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where is the marantz 24 bit version of 660?
I have been hoping they would offer 24bit pre/ad in a small package
would be the perfect bit bucket for a V3 too....
I didn't think the ACM 660 could take the V3's signal.
That is correct, no digital input on the 660.
I'm wondering what the stock gain range on the 671 is ???
On Dougs upgrade page he throws around a bunch of different gain ranges for the mods.
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who cares..its only good runing line or digi in.
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where is the marantz 24 bit version of 660?
I have been hoping they would offer 24bit pre/ad in a small package
would be the perfect bit bucket for a V3 too....
I didn't think the ACM 660 could take the V3's signal.
That is correct, no digital input on the 660.
I'm wondering what the stock gain range on the 671 is ???
On Dougs upgrade page he throws around a bunch of different gain ranges for the mods.
I meant a line signal from the V3. I called and asked about a 660 not to highjack this thread, but Doug said something about the 660 cannot take a hot signal on its line in.
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where is the marantz 24 bit version of 660?
I have been hoping they would offer 24bit pre/ad in a small package
would be the perfect bit bucket for a V3 too....
I didn't think the ACM 660 could take the V3's signal.
That is correct, no digital input on the 660.
I'm wondering what the stock gain range on the 671 is ???
On Dougs upgrade page he throws around a bunch of different gain ranges for the mods.
I meant a line signal from the V3. I called and asked about a 660 not to highjack this thread, but Doug said something about the 660 cannot take a hot signal on its line in.
Hmmm...
Dunno about the 660. My stock 671 did just fine with the UA-5 output.
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one of these days, I'm going to sell a kidney, my mp-2, and r-1, and pick up the V3/MT combo. I don't think there's much out there that can top that in the price range... this of course is just from the tapes I've heard, etc etc.
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one of these days, I'm going to sell a kidney, my mp-2, and r-1, and pick up the V3/MT combo. I don't think there's much out there that can top that in the price range... this of course is just from the tapes I've heard, etc etc.
Wait, you say you want to sell your kidney to buy a V3/MT combo. Lay off the booze and your kidney would be worth a portadrive.
All this talk about V3 vs. ACM 671....I say location location location.
I have recorded with my 660 vs V3, most of the time my friends V3 sounds slightly better but if I'm in the sweet spot he wants my recording. We usually matrix his stealth km54s>V3>D8 audience with my SBD>ACM 660 and it's all good.
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one of these days, I'm going to sell a kidney, my mp-2, and r-1, and pick up the V3/MT combo. I don't think there's much out there that can top that in the price range... this of course is just from the tapes I've heard, etc etc.
Wait, you say you want to sell your kidney to buy a V3/MT combo. Lay off the booze and your kidney would be worth a portadrive.
All this talk about V3 vs. ACM 671....I say location location location.
I have recorded with my 660 vs V3, most of the time my friends V3 sounds slightly better but if I'm in the sweet spot he wants my recording. We usually matrix his stealth km54s>V3>D8 audience with my SBD>ACM 660 and it's all good.
That's a good point. Any differences we're talking about here are fairly minute I'd imagine. For now, I'm more than satisfied with my rig.
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one of these days, I'm going to sell a kidney, my mp-2, and r-1, and pick up the V3/MT combo. I don't think there's much out there that can top that in the price range
Used V3 = $1000
MT = $299
4GB = $200
Total = $1500
That's if you get a used V3 too and you can get the MT for $299... Still $200 more then the ACM 671 and you can't do 24/96 (yet) and no auto track splitting ... not to mention you have to carry extra batteries for the V3 and MT... I'm not sold on the MT yet either. Otherwise I would have gone for the V3/MT combo.
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one of these days, I'm going to sell a kidney, my mp-2, and r-1, and pick up the V3/MT combo. I don't think there's much out there that can top that in the price range
Used V3 = $1000
MT = $299
4GB = $200
Total = $1500
That's if you get a used V3 too and you can get the MT for $299... Still $200 more then the ACM 671 and you can't do 24/96 (yet) and no auto track splitting ... not to mention you have to carry extra batteries for the V3 and MT... I'm not sold on the MT yet either. Otherwise I would have gone for the V3/MT combo.
Actually it would be the same price, Rick. You need the CF card for either the MT or the 671, so you're looking at $1,500 for either option after purchasing the CF card.
FWIW, the MT is doing 24/96 via S/PDIF now. Confirmation here (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=58446.0). There are two problems with doing this though 1) most people are recording on 4GB CF cards, which doesn't allow for much recording time at 24/96, and 2) M-Audio hasn't fixed the 2GB recording limit, so you're still messing with tape flips.
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w/the MT, is there a one button you can push to start a new track? that makes things pretty easy regarding the 2gb limit.
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From what I've read, I think you have to stop the recording & start a new file. I think the users are saying it takes no more than six seconds, but YMMV.
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man, that sucks.
I hope they fix that shit. I'd like to go v3>mt when I re-build my high-res action somteme.
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FWIW, Ed just had a major V3 > MT failure for his Moe show in chicago.
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hmmm...
$300 for MT that sucks, or $800ish for new tascam or pmd671 that will actualy be reliable.
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one of these days, I'm going to sell a kidney, my mp-2, and r-1, and pick up the V3/MT combo. I don't think there's much out there that can top that in the price range... this of course is just from the tapes I've heard, etc etc.
Wait, you say you want to sell your kidney to buy a V3/MT combo. Lay off the booze and your kidney would be worth a portadrive.
All this talk about V3 vs. ACM 671....I say location location location.
I have recorded with my 660 vs V3, most of the time my friends V3 sounds slightly better but if I'm in the sweet spot he wants my recording. We usually matrix his stealth km54s>V3>D8 audience with my SBD>ACM 660 and it's all good.
I think the difference you're hearing between each others recordings is the microphones. I don't think a good comparison of the 660 and V3 can be made until a test is done with the same or comparable mics.
AKG 31 (mini mic) freq range 50-20,000
Neumann KM54 (tube mic) Freq range 20-20,000
EDIT: To add, even the 184s will sound different than the KM54s. Tube mics are a different animal than what most are using here.
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I'll have an ACM PMD 671 soon. Maybe Todd R and I can do a comparison. I'll talk to him about it.
I run AKG C-480> ACM PMD 671
He runs AKG C-480> JKLabs> V3> MT
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one of these days, I'm going to sell a kidney, my mp-2, and r-1, and pick up the V3/MT combo. I don't think there's much out there that can top that in the price range
Used V3 = $1000
MT = $299
4GB = $200
Total = $1500
That's if you get a used V3 too and you can get the MT for $299... Still $200 more then the ACM 671 and you can't do 24/96 (yet) and no auto track splitting ... not to mention you have to carry extra batteries for the V3 and MT... I'm not sold on the MT yet either. Otherwise I would have gone for the V3/MT combo.
Actually it would be the same price, Rick. You need the CF card for either the MT or the 671, so you're looking at $1,500 for either option after purchasing the CF card.
FWIW, the MT is doing 24/96 via S/PDIF now. Confirmation here (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=58446.0). There are two problems with doing this though 1) most people are recording on 4GB CF cards, which doesn't allow for much recording time at 24/96, and 2) M-Audio hasn't fixed the 2GB recording limit, so you're still messing with tape flips.
Oh yeah forgot about the CF thing :D
Well that's good, I'm glad its working better.
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FWIW, Ed just had a major V3 > MT failure for his Moe show in chicago.
yep, it reset to factory default settings making my input change from spdif to 1/8" line in. Didn't notice this until I was out taping the next night. It also stopped recording with about 2.5gbs of free space still left on the card and wouldn't record anything no matter how many times I pressed the record button. That could be the fault of the input changing though, I'm not for sure. Still pissed me off, but not like it really mattered since I was recording silence anyway.
definitely a microcrapper.
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Wow, so I guess in that sense the acm671 is the better choice due to its reliability.
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Wow, so I guess in that sense the acm671 is the better choice due to its reliability.
;)
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can someone tell me which cf cards this thing likes, I know the kingston, any others?
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Doug has mentioned some failures w/kingston. recomends sandisc and the other main brand I cant recall
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http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=58947.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=58947.0)
the one mentioned here okay?
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when i was looking at first for cf media, sandisk was more than kingston. i would think either would work really, but IME the kingston is solid.
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thats a great price trey
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Doug has mentioned some failures w/kingston. recomends sandisc and the other main brand I cant recall
Doug told me the same thing last week when I was inquiring about a 671BCM
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again i have had ZERO problems w/ a 4gb kingston (40X). ymmv.
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I bought a 4GB Kingston based on a conversation I had with Doug. I haven't had any problems either.
That Amazon SanDisk price is very good... I may be getting one of those soon...
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How are you guys powering this thing in the field and what sort of runtimes are you getting? I know it is rated for 15V DC external, but I heard someone say the standard 9V walmart battery would work.... any thoughts on this?
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chuck and i use 8 powerex NiMH rechargeable AA's. run time is 4-5 hrs. i havent tried anything else though.
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chuck and i use 8 powerex NiMH rechargeable AA's. run time is 4-5 hrs. i havent tried anything else though.
It takes 8 at once? Are these the 2500mah ones and is that 4-5 hours with phantom on?
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yes, 8 at once (it comes w/ a sled). 2500mah. i dont use phantom. i run a pre in front.
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chuck and i use 8 powerex NiMH rechargeable AA's. run time is 4-5 hrs. i havent tried anything else though.
It takes 8 at once? Are these the 2500mah ones and is that 4-5 hours with phantom on?
Yup, 8 at once. I have 2500 mHa, and 2300 mHa. I made an outboard battery pack that I can exchange on the fly when the internal batteries start dying. There's a picture of it somewhere here... What's cool is the thing will keep recording when you plug and unplug the battery packs. i just bought some more 2350 Mha batteries used from someone here. (You can never have enough juice :) )
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chuck and i use 8 powerex NiMH rechargeable AA's. run time is 4-5 hrs. i havent tried anything else though.
It takes 8 at once? Are these the 2500mah ones and is that 4-5 hours with phantom on?
Yup, 8 at once. I have 2500 mHa, and 2300 mHa. I made an outboard battery pack that I can exchange on the fly when the internal batteries start dying. There's a picture of it somewhere here... What's cool is the thing will keep recording when you plug and unplug the battery packs. i just bought some more 2350 Mha batteries used from someone here. (You can never have enough juice :) )
I think a 9V walmart would probably work since 8x1.2v from the NiMH's is 9.6v.... so a 5400mah 9V would run that badboy for a long ass time. I'd like to see someone try that.
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I do believe I read that someone here is using one of those. I sold mine with my Mini-Me.
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I bought a 4GB Kingston based on a conversation I had with Doug. I haven't had any problems either.
That Amazon SanDisk price is very good... I may be getting one of those soon...
Be careful on that Amazon Sandisk. Its Sandisk's slowest cf card. The Extreme and Ultra are faster.
UPDATE:
Sandisk Standard 20x
Sandisk Ultra II 66x
Sandisk Extreme III 133x
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Outboard AA battery and cable I made for the PMD 671.
The outboard battery holder I got cheap somewhere. The cover for it I got at Walmart. It's a cheap cell phone holder.
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I bought a 4GB Kingston based on a conversation I had with Doug. I haven't had any problems either.
That Amazon SanDisk price is very good... I may be getting one of those soon...
Be careful on that Amazon Sandisk. Its Sandisk's slowest cf card. The Extreme and Ultra are faster.
Thanks for the heads up...
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Outboard AA battery and cable I made for the PMD 671.
The outboard battery holder I got cheap somewhere. The cover for it I got at Walmart. It's a cheap cell phone holder.
Oh, so is that a 4pin that plugs into the 671? I thought it just had a regular DC plug jack.
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its a regular barrel plug, "B" is the RS part size.
it runs on anything between 9-15v.
I ran mine w/a walmart 9v@ 5500mAh and it ran forever.
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Is there a HUGE difference between the BCM and ACM?
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dont know. I have not heard either.
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Is there a HUGE difference between the BCM and ACM?
Here Andrew, this will answer your question:
http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/PMD-671MODS.html
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Is there a HUGE difference between the BCM and ACM?
Here Andrew, this will answer your question:
http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/PMD-671MODS.html
Thanks Dan, yeah.. I've read that page a bunch of times, but those descriptions aren't that great. What I really wanted to know is if someone has heard both and could comment on the sound... I guess most poeple haven't even heard either of these since they're fairly new.
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I wouldnt cheap out. spend the extra hundred and get the super fancy silk caps in the ACM.
I bet that fucker will sound like a V3 w/o the cool lights, but w/a CF slot.
if Only Mike Grace would slap one of those in "the next gen" Lunatec....i'd sell off my children for one.
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if Only Mike Grace would slap one of those in "the next gen" Lunatec....i'd sell off my children for one.
For posterity. Counting on your Future Tapers of America to follow the proper path. :)
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if Only Mike Grace would slap one of those in "the next gen" Lunatec....i'd sell off my children for one.
For posterity. Counting on your Future Tapers of America to follow the proper path. :)
8)
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well, I hear they need labor in China to build cool new tube amps.
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chuck and i use 8 powerex NiMH rechargeable AA's. run time is 4-5 hrs. i havent tried anything else though.
It takes 8 at once? Are these the 2500mah ones and is that 4-5 hours with phantom on?
Yup, 8 at once. I have 2500 mHa, and 2300 mHa. I made an outboard battery pack that I can exchange on the fly when the internal batteries start dying. There's a picture of it somewhere here... What's cool is the thing will keep recording when you plug and unplug the battery packs. i just bought some more 2350 Mha batteries used from someone here. (You can never have enough juice :) )
I think a 9V walmart would probably work since 8x1.2v from the NiMH's is 9.6v.... so a 5400mah 9V would run that badboy for a long ass time. I'd like to see someone try that.
I use a walmart 9v 5400mah on my 671 AND mic2496. I split the juice out of it with a y splitter from RatShack and one goes to the pre and the other to the marantz. I have never run out of juice before turning off at 5hours.
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Well...
Yes, indeed the price for the Oade Advanced Concert Mod on the PMD 671 is $450. I will have mine on Wednesday... :)
The RCA inputs will still work and Doug recommended they be used for line level signals.
He also told me the input knob is an attenuator, so it is best to run it higher rather than lower on the scale (~7-8 is what he said)
He said it may be nessessary to use the onboard pad for very load shows. This is probably microphone dependent.
For me, the wait is almost finally over... 8)
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joined team 671 today. I'm just getting the stock model right now. I'll front end it with my V3 anyways . I think I'll send it in later this year when the wait isn't so longfor the ACM mod. Doug says it's around 3 weeks on the wait right now. Not too long, but I have some stuff that needs doing first. I also ordered a 4gb transcend 120X card that should be here soon.
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hope that transend card works. these decks are picky
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hope that transend card works. these decks are picky
I'll let you know. Someome else told me that they have used them with no troubles in a MT. Needless to say, I hope it works.
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Marantz doesn't make the MT though.
:)
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The RCA inputs will still work and Doug recommended they be used for line level signals.
great news.
He also told me the input knob is an attenuator, so it is best to run it higher rather than lower on the scale (~7-8 is what he said)
He said it may be nessessary to use the onboard pad for very load shows. This is probably microphone dependent.
hmmm. w/ the brick, i usaully run it at 10' o clock or so(3-4 i think). recordings sound good to me. w/ the v3, ill be able to dial it in better, but it'll be tough to tells what sounds "better". an a/b comparison would be interesting, but not very scientific.
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i can TOTALLY vouch for the 7 or 8 setting on the 671. (maybe check the earlier thread on the 671 for my comments) i run a shure fp33 and had clipping issues. talked to doug and went from 3 or 4 to 8 and switched from the pro +4db output on the shure to the unbalanced -10db consumer out and all my clipping problems went away. may not matter anyway as i went and ordered a sony DMX-P01 today...
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplayModel?m=0&sm=0&p=10&sp=84&id=69151 (http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplayModel?m=0&sm=0&p=10&sp=84&id=69151)
neil in san marcos
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as i went and ordered a sony DMX-P01 today...
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplayModel?m=0&sm=0&p=10&sp=84&id=69151 (http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplayModel?m=0&sm=0&p=10&sp=84&id=69151)
neil in san marcos
WoW... that looks cool!
Let us know how you like it...
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as i went and ordered a sony DMX-P01 today...
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplayModel?m=0&sm=0&p=10&sp=84&id=69151
ups sez it will be here friday WOOOHOOO!!! i love new toys! gonna take it to derek trucks on fri the 24th
neil in san marcos
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Well, I got my ACM 671. Testing it now.
Doug put a "Performance Enhanced" sticker on the top, which is kind of cool.
Maybe it's time for a new thread... we're at 25 now...
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Part 2:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=59611.0