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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #150 on: July 29, 2018, 05:12:56 PM »
I did my first 4-track recordings with the MixPre yesterday. What a great device. Really easy to use. Splitting the Polywavs was easy as pie.

I found out recently that Wavelab is working on support for polywavs so hopefully no need to split up in the future
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #151 on: July 29, 2018, 07:05:20 PM »
I did my first 4-track recordings with the MixPre yesterday. What a great device. Really easy to use. Splitting the Polywavs was easy as pie.

I found out recently that Wavelab is working on support for polywavs so hopefully no need to split up in the future

I actually really like the workflow because one of my usual venues give me a dual mono board feed, so I can just choose one channel and make a mono file when I do the splitting. (I use Audition CC for most of my work.)

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #152 on: July 30, 2018, 03:09:46 PM »
just playing around with the SD software Wave Agent Beta for the first time on an actual recording of a show, and it was a little confusing at first with the numbering schemes of the channels. i figured it out but i thought i would explain here in case it helps anyone. i have a mixpre-6, and i don't use the L-R mix, only iso tracks. last night i recorded one pair of mics to channels 1 and 2 (xlr) and another pair of mics to channels 5 and 6 (stereo 1/8" aux/mic in) with channels 3 and 4 (xlr) empty/unused. as i see it, there are 3 ways of numbering these tracks:

1) the way they are numbered in/on the mixpre unit itself -- channels 1-4 are xlr, channels 5-6 are aux/mic in or usb or whatever.
2) same as in 1) but including the L-R mix, shifting the numbers accordingly. so the L-R mix is now channels 1-2, channels 1-4 are now 3-6, and channels 5-6 are now 7-8.
3) numbering them in order based on only the channels you happened to use. so in my case, because i used 4 channels, channels 1-2 would be 1-2 and channels 5-6 would be 3-4.

the SD software shows a table where the first two column headings are "channel" and "interleave". the "channel" column uses the numbering scheme in 2), accounting for the L-R mix. the "interleave" column uses the numbering scheme in 3), referring only to the channels used in that particular polywave file. after experimenting with the matrix for splitting files, i realized that the matrix requires you to select the channels you want according to 3) or "interleave". at first i tried selecting according to the numbering scheme in 2), or selecting channels 3-4 and 7-8 as my two output files. this didn't work, as it detected channels 7-8 to be blank, despite listing 7-8 as existing channels under the "channel" column header. a little confusing! anyway, thought i would share this in case it saves someone else a headache.



Yea it can be very confusing at first!  I only have one set of mics + sbd feeds so my 1&2 are always mics, 3&4 (if used) are always sbd.  I do not use l/r mix.  So I labeled the channels in the mixpre so they show in waveagent.

The second screen shot shows how to easily split and combine both 1&2 and 3&4 at the same time.


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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #153 on: July 30, 2018, 03:37:39 PM »
^^^
That is all good information, I would add the following if you do use the mix:

One time I was playing around before a show and accidentally turned the mix back on which I normally never use.
I assumed that 1 and 2 were mics  1 and 2, 3 and 4 were mics 3 and 4 and so on with the mix being 7 and 8, BUT
when I checked with Sound Devices because the sounds were not jiving with what I expected soundwide (like my omnis sounding more bassy than my cards), I was told by them, the mix is on (polywave) 1 and 2, which did jive with what I was hearing, but seemed to me to be counter intuitive. So my mics 1 and 2 were on (polywave) 3 and 4, my mics 3 and 4 were on (polywave) 5 and 6, and my mics 5 and 6 were on (polywave) 7 and 8.

So unless there is some way to change or select where the mix ends up on the polywave, one might assume they are the last 2 tracks, but they actually are the first 2 tracks
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #154 on: July 30, 2018, 04:48:32 PM »
I know it's not supposed to work, but has anyone found a USB-A (battery out) to USB-C (MixPre in) battery/cable that fully powers the MixPre (green light)? The MixPre Remote Powering thread isn't there anymore... ???
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #155 on: July 30, 2018, 04:59:19 PM »
I know it's not supposed to work, but has anyone found a USB-A (battery out) to USB-C (MixPre in) battery/cable that fully powers the MixPre (green light)? The MixPre Remote Powering thread isn't there anymore... ???

Again, this one works for me.  http://a.co/dWMWfuP

I tuck the cable THROUGH the bar in the front left corner and then plug it into the USB-C.  It tends to get in the way of know #1 and #2 a bit less but it helps with strain relief since it is right-angled on both ends.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #156 on: July 30, 2018, 05:28:21 PM »
I know that this is on the edge of what one should do but I just had to try. :)
I got a bit annoyed over having to fiddle so much when swopping SD cards and then I remembered that I had a couple of SD card extenders somewhere from some previous experiments.

Anyway I tested them in my Mac and ran write and read tests so I decided to try it in my mixpre3.

This way I can route the SD card to be accessible even when bagged tight or without having to remove the sled.
As you can see the sharp edge of the sled do nudge the flat cable so if one would want to be sure it does not cause any serious damage to it, the edge of the sled should be trimmed a bit. And I have not tested the data integrity in a RF noisy environment so I would not recommend this for any serious use. But with better shielding it should be possible.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #157 on: July 30, 2018, 05:42:10 PM »
I know it's not supposed to work, but has anyone found a USB-A (battery out) to USB-C (MixPre in) battery/cable that fully powers the MixPre (green light)? The MixPre Remote Powering thread isn't there anymore... ???

Again, this one works for me.  http://a.co/dWMWfuP

I tuck the cable THROUGH the bar in the front left corner and then plug it into the USB-C.  It tends to get in the way of know #1 and #2 a bit less but it helps with strain relief since it is right-angled on both ends.

Hmmm... OK. It must be my battery then, because I bought that cable and this battery https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KYUDAN4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and my MixPre-6 won't even power up with that cable. I tries to boot, but all I see is the firmware page then it powers down and tries to reboot again endlessly.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #158 on: July 30, 2018, 05:53:23 PM »
I did my first 4-track recordings with the MixPre yesterday. What a great device. Really easy to use. Splitting the Polywavs was easy as pie.

I found out recently that Wavelab is working on support for polywavs so hopefully no need to split up in the future

FWIW, CuBase 5 supports them. The version I have does import them either all together or on individual tracks, not paired though.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #159 on: July 30, 2018, 06:04:55 PM »
Hmmm... OK. It must be my battery then, because I bought that cable and this battery https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KYUDAN4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and my MixPre-6 won't even power up with that cable. I tries to boot, but all I see is the firmware page then it powers down and tries to reboot again endlessly.

That would be my guess then.  I use this battery:  http://a.co/chzO2XT
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #160 on: July 30, 2018, 06:50:13 PM »

If you are using this battery, which has a USB-C output, why wouldnt you just use a USB-C to USB-C cable? An amazon basics cable is like $7


I know it's not supposed to work, but has anyone found a USB-A (battery out) to USB-C (MixPre in) battery/cable that fully powers the MixPre (green light)? The MixPre Remote Powering thread isn't there anymore... ???

Again, this one works for me.  http://a.co/dWMWfuP

I tuck the cable THROUGH the bar in the front left corner and then plug it into the USB-C.  It tends to get in the way of know #1 and #2 a bit less but it helps with strain relief since it is right-angled on both ends.

Hmmm... OK. It must be my battery then, because I bought that cable and this battery https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KYUDAN4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and my MixPre-6 won't even power up with that cable. I tries to boot, but all I see is the firmware page then it powers down and tries to reboot again endlessly.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #161 on: July 30, 2018, 07:13:57 PM »
Ha, I did not even notice it had USB-C.  Good call.


If you are using this battery, which has a USB-C output, why wouldnt you just use a USB-C to USB-C cable? An amazon basics cable is like $7

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #162 on: July 30, 2018, 07:54:46 PM »

If you are using this battery, which has a USB-C output, why wouldnt you just use a USB-C to USB-C cable? An amazon basics cable is like $7


I know it's not supposed to work, but has anyone found a USB-A (battery out) to USB-C (MixPre in) battery/cable that fully powers the MixPre (green light)? The MixPre Remote Powering thread isn't there anymore... ???

Again, this one works for me.  http://a.co/dWMWfuP

I tuck the cable THROUGH the bar in the front left corner and then plug it into the USB-C.  It tends to get in the way of know #1 and #2 a bit less but it helps with strain relief since it is right-angled on both ends.

Hmmm... OK. It must be my battery then, because I bought that cable and this battery https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KYUDAN4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and my MixPre-6 won't even power up with that cable. I tries to boot, but all I see is the firmware page then it powers down and tries to reboot again endlessly.

Oh, I do. I have a straight USB-C to straight USB-C cable that works great. I'm just looking for a right angle to right angle cable that works too.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #163 on: July 30, 2018, 08:13:54 PM »
These work!  I wish I could find a right angle cable that was only a 1 ft. 

https://www.amazon.com/CableCreation-Braided-Macbook-Nintendo-Aluminum/dp/B01N41JUI4/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1532995961&sr=8-15&keywords=Right+angle+usb+c+to+usb+c+cable


If you are using this battery, which has a USB-C output, why wouldnt you just use a USB-C to USB-C cable? An amazon basics cable is like $7


I know it's not supposed to work, but has anyone found a USB-A (battery out) to USB-C (MixPre in) battery/cable that fully powers the MixPre (green light)? The MixPre Remote Powering thread isn't there anymore... ???

Again, this one works for me.  http://a.co/dWMWfuP

I tuck the cable THROUGH the bar in the front left corner and then plug it into the USB-C.  It tends to get in the way of know #1 and #2 a bit less but it helps with strain relief since it is right-angled on both ends.

Hmmm... OK. It must be my battery then, because I bought that cable and this battery https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KYUDAN4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and my MixPre-6 won't even power up with that cable. I tries to boot, but all I see is the firmware page then it powers down and tries to reboot again endlessly.

Oh, I do. I have a straight USB-C to straight USB-C cable that works great. I'm just looking for a right angle to right angle cable that works too.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #164 on: July 31, 2018, 11:44:57 AM »
I know it's not supposed to work, but has anyone found a USB-A (battery out) to USB-C (MixPre in) battery/cable that fully powers the MixPre (green light)? The MixPre Remote Powering thread isn't there anymore... ???

Again, this one works for me.  http://a.co/dWMWfuP

I tuck the cable THROUGH the bar in the front left corner and then plug it into the USB-C.  It tends to get in the way of know #1 and #2 a bit less but it helps with strain relief since it is right-angled on both ends.

Hmmm... OK. It must be my battery then, because I bought that cable and this battery https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KYUDAN4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and my MixPre-6 won't even power up with that cable. I tries to boot, but all I see is the firmware page then it powers down and tries to reboot again endlessly.

Are you using C on the mixpre side and A on the battery?  I have the same battery and the below cable that came from SoS when I bought my mixpre from him.  He no longer had the cable in his ebay sales history so we were unsure the exact one..  Anyway it works!  The sticker on it says "0110006j" so googling I found these on amazon denmark:

https://www.amazon.de/geflochten-rechts-gewinkelt-Ladeger%C3%A4t-Daten-Sync-Kabel/dp/B06VXB1W8P?th=1

So I googled "1M 2A Braided 90 Degree Right Angled USB 3.1 Type C Charger Data Sync Cable".  Looks like this is it, from hong kong on ebay....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1M-2A-Braided-90-Degree-Right-Angled-USB-3-1-Type-C-Charger-Data-Sync-Cable-Cord/332056692769?hash=item4d501f0821%3Am%3Am_IHzv_LCgQI2iVwZVqqKhQ&var=541089383410&_sacat=0&_nkw=1M+2A+Braided+90+Degree+Right+Angled+USB+3.1+Type+C+Charger+Data+Sync+Cable&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0



That said I also have the c>c Jbell linked to. 


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