Author Topic: SONOSAX SX-R4+ & SX-AD8+ Delayed (Read 25860 times)

tgakidis · « **on:** November 13, 2014, 06:05:09 AM »

http://url.snd19.ch/url-315739898-1999616-13112014.html

SONOSAX SX-R4+ and SONOSAX SX-AD8+ soon unveiled
Although these new equipments were announced for the end of 2014, they will not be available before April 2015. Innovative ideas having occurred during the year, their development have been somewhat delayed.
Develop products of the highest quality using advanced technology and respond closer to the user's needs is a challenge SONOSAX has successfully met many times in the past; releasing these equipments on the market within the expected deadline is by far not always obvious
Despite these delays, we are pleased to announce that the new recorder SONOSAX SX-R4+ and the 8 channels preamp SONOSAX SX-AD8+ will be officially unveiled at Tokyo's InterBEE and
during the SATIS in Paris. For those who could not attend these fairs we publish above a picture of the forthcoming SX-R4+

H₂O · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2014, 08:10:43 AM »

The also have limited NOS stock of SX-M1's for sale for $485

tgakidis · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2014, 08:19:20 AM »

Quote from: H₂O on November 13, 2014, 08:10:43 AM

The also have limited NOS stock of SX-M1's for sale for $485

Do you know anything about the MV100 unit?

tgakidis · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2014, 08:26:51 AM »

Quote from: tgakidis on November 13, 2014, 08:19:20 AM

Quote from: H₂O on November 13, 2014, 08:10:43 AM
The also have limited NOS stock of SX-M1's for sale for $485

Do you know anything about the MV100 unit?

nevermind, found the Beyer Manual and I assume it's the same.

http://www.taperssection.com/reference/pdf/Manual_BeyerdynamicMV100.pdf

H₂O · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2014, 08:27:45 AM »

Not sure but I would think this is a Sonosax badged Beyerdynamic MV-100 as Sonosax made these for BD.

H₂O · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2014, 08:31:59 AM »

Both SATIS and InterBEE are at the end of next week so hopefully pictures and more details will be published then.

I have exchanged a number of emails with Sonosax about the AD8+ and have only been able to gather minimal additional information about it - definitely no pricing info.

From the R4+ pic I definitely like the SD card placement and color touchscreen but not a fan of the knob arrangement.

yates7592 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2014, 12:14:49 PM »

Would you think there will be any significant sonic improvements in the "SX-R4+" compared to the existing SX-R4?

H₂O · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2014, 01:37:57 PM »

Quote from: yates7592 on November 13, 2014, 12:14:49 PM

Would you think there will be any significant sonic improvements in the "SX-R4+" compared to the existing SX-R4?

Doubt it - Sonosax PREs tend to always be top notch - don't know how you could significantly sonically improve upon near perfection

yates7592 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 13, 2014, 02:37:00 PM »

Glad to hear that. I can put my wallet / credit card to rest.

tgakidis · « **Reply #9 on:** November 13, 2014, 02:55:26 PM »

Quote from: yates7592 on November 13, 2014, 02:37:00 PM

Glad to hear that. I can put my wallet / credit card to rest.

Famous last words

H₂O · « **Reply #10 on:** November 25, 2014, 10:44:10 PM »

http://dspj.co.jp/news/n-QBE2014.htm

The only pic is I can find showing both the SX-R4+ and SX-AD8+ upright on a display table for InterBEE

Looks like the AD8+ has the same offset gain knobs as the R4+ except the 8 go across the entire face - no display

XLR's in's are on the left side just like the older SX-R4

Very hard to make out the units but look at bottom pic on bottom display table 2 right - looks like possibly an AT2+?, AD8+, R4+

H₂O · « **Reply #11 on:** November 25, 2014, 10:51:50 PM »

I wonder what the SX-AT2+ is going to be? Maybe a test bed or simply an audio recorder Audio Transport?

Translated link and looks like AT = Audio Tool - if translation is correct
2 = 2 channel

maybe it's a 2 channel recorder that can do more with the AD8+

From the picture it is the same size and layout as the R4 but only appears to have 2 trim knobs and 2 Analog XLR inputs - again very hard to make out.

H₂O · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2015, 01:10:25 PM »

Here you go:
http://www.sonosax.ch

http://www.sonosax.ch/images/sonosax_plus_diag1.jpg
http://www.sonosax.ch/images/sonosax_plus_diag2.jpg

OOK · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2015, 10:27:30 PM »

Quote from: H₂O on March 10, 2015, 01:10:25 PM

Here you go:
http://www.sonosax.ch

http://www.sonosax.ch/images/sonosax_plus_diag1.jpg
http://www.sonosax.ch/images/sonosax_plus_diag2.jpg

Oh my.....

404 Not Found · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2015, 10:34:43 AM »

Now this is how a company stays on top of the market. SD could take a lesson from Sonosax. Nice job! Hope to possibly see this at summer NAMM?

stevetoney · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2015, 10:42:06 AM »

Yes, these images confirm my belief in love at first sight.

H₂O · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2015, 12:24:20 PM »

More detailed specs and block diagrams posted on the Sonosax website!

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2015, 12:56:40 PM »

Me want one drool

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #18 on:** March 18, 2015, 12:57:26 PM »

Quote from: tonedeaf on March 12, 2015, 10:42:06 AM

Yes, these images confirm my belief in love at first sight.

100% agreed

Why cant I win the lottery or get a huge settlement/inheritance lol

acidjack · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2015, 12:20:28 PM »

I've been waiting on an SX-R4+ that I already ordered for a good while (waiting especially patiently since I already sold a bunch of other gear) and am now told "July 2015." Will believe it when I see it! (In case you're reading this Justin, I'm not directing that at you -- I know I'll get it once the Swiss release it!)

In the meantime, I assume a lot of it will be the same as the SX-R4. What kind of battery life can be expected on the SX-R4 with (a) the internal battery and (b) a Tekkeon? I know the SD 788 and 744 are pretty battery-intensive, but I am hoping that this unit being really light and seemingly pretty small will do better.

I'm also curious how this deck will work with its dual SD cards. I wonder, for example, if they must both be the same size card, if you can run it with just one card, etc.

H₂O · « **Reply #20 on:** June 22, 2015, 12:52:52 PM »

Check out the jwsound forum to get more info

Part of the delay is abunch of people bitching that their is only 1 set of analog outs - enough people bitched to where sonosax is/was looking at a last minute hardware redesign to add an additional analog pair out as an option

http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/23419-sonosax-sx-r4/

From the videos I saw in April the user interface was very alpha as well with many features not complete - It was quite evident in this video that May was unrealistic

Note that the original minir82 and r4 took 3-6 months longer to release from the original announced dates

MattH · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2015, 05:17:24 PM »

Quote from: acidjack on June 22, 2015, 12:20:28 PM

In the meantime, I assume a lot of it will be the same as the SX-R4. What kind of battery life can be expected on the SX-R4 with (a) the internal battery and (b) a Tekkeon? I know the SD 788 and 744 are pretty battery-intensive, but I am hoping that this unit being really light and seemingly pretty small will do better.

On the SX-R4, I find I can get about 8 hours recording on 6 AA lithium and at least double that with my external batterygeek 10-14-88.

acidjack · « **Reply #22 on:** June 23, 2015, 10:09:19 PM »

Quote from: MattH on June 23, 2015, 05:17:24 PM

Quote from: acidjack on June 22, 2015, 12:20:28 PM
In the meantime, I assume a lot of it will be the same as the SX-R4. What kind of battery life can be expected on the SX-R4 with (a) the internal battery and (b) a Tekkeon? I know the SD 788 and 744 are pretty battery-intensive, but I am hoping that this unit being really light and seemingly pretty small will do better.

On the SX-R4, I find I can get about 8 hours recording on 6 AA lithium and at least double that with my external batterygeek 10-14-88.

Sweet. That is what I'd hoped.

H₂O · « **Reply #23 on:** June 24, 2015, 09:38:43 AM »

Keep In mind the R4+ is a completely new design and may have different power requirements

R4+ has 4 DSP's and a color display
R4 had 1 DSP (based on block diagram) and smaller BW display

R4+ runs off a special battery pack with some estimates pointing at a 49Wh max the bg-10-14-88 is an 88Wh battery

6 x 1.2 x 2.4 (2400mA) = 17.28Wh

Although I think the R4+ will be very efficient (as can be seen by the R4's performance) it is definitely going to require more power than the R4

H₂O · « **Reply #24 on:** July 08, 2015, 09:43:01 AM »

Latest news is that the r4+ will start shipping at the end of this month

Mic D · « **Reply #25 on:** July 08, 2015, 10:17:10 AM »

New info update for the R4+. Sonosax will be taking pre orders until July 20th and after that, the price is going up 10%...

http://www.sonosax.ch/news/SONONEWS_2015_07_EN.pdf

Mic D · « **Reply #26 on:** July 21, 2015, 06:24:02 PM »

If anybody cares... Here's an email I got from Sonosax today...

"Dear Mr Pink,

Again thank you for your demand and sorry for not replying immediately,
unfortunately we are currently facing a "patent" problem.

We have been asked about the technology we have developed to extended dynamic range to 132dB on the SX-R4+ ; it is suspected to infringe a US patent.
Actually we are studying the patent to see if our technology does or does not infringe the patent.

In the mean time we have no choice but to suspend the delivery of the SX-R4+ within the USA.

We are very sorry for this bad news and I will keep you informed as soon as possible

Kind regards

Pierre
SONOSAX"

stevetoney · « **Reply #27 on:** July 21, 2015, 08:26:18 PM »

^ That's sad news for the people that pre-ordered. So it seems that not only does it mean that you won't be getting your Sax soon, but apparently you're losing out on the pre-sale pricing since the only options are to re-order and import?

H₂O · « **Reply #28 on:** July 21, 2015, 08:49:56 PM »

I bet It's Zaxcom NeverClip that's the issue here

http://zaxcom.com/what-is-neverclip/

acidjack · « **Reply #29 on:** July 22, 2015, 03:41:45 PM »

Quote from: tonedeaf on July 21, 2015, 08:26:18 PM

^ That's sad news for the people that pre-ordered. So it seems that not only does it mean that you won't be getting your Sax soon, but apparently you're losing out on the pre-sale pricing since the only options are to re-order and import?

I hope that's not the interpretation, but I am increasingly sorry I sold my trusty R-44 so I could buy this vaporware.

Mic D · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2015, 12:22:21 AM »

Quote from: acidjack on July 22, 2015, 03:41:45 PM

... I am increasingly sorry I sold my trusty R-44 so I could buy this vaporware.

I feel your pain. I ended up selling one of my SX-M2's to help with the deposit. Almost sold my trusty 744 too.... glad I didn't go that far.

kingkita · « **Reply #31 on:** August 10, 2015, 08:49:05 AM »

I haven't sold any gear yet cause I knew there always be issues with new products,but when we all get them it will be worth the wait. Pierre told me end of last month said they where going threw firmware issues with the beta testers.when I asked him a million and 1 questions for the 3 rd time.about the unit.

H₂O · « **Reply #32 on:** August 30, 2015, 11:14:45 AM »

Apparently they are shipping in Europe this coming week - Jacques Sax posted a pic of the production line here:

http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/23419-sonosax-sx-r4/&page=15

RichT · « **Reply #33 on:** September 22, 2015, 02:57:27 PM »

I currently own an SX-R4+

I expect it currently does most things you guys will require it for- currently the main software missing function is lack of pre-fade isos and the ability to assign fader knobs to tracks which aren't the 4 XLR inputs. This is due to be rectified in the next major firmware update, however. I expect just down to the newness of the machine that there's still some bugs in there, although I haven't found any yet.

From the headphone amp at least it sounds cleaner than the R4 in my opinion. Yet to record any music with it, but have a job in about a week's time to give it a go

User interface is fantastic- touchscreen allows very fast operation, quick metadata and setting changes. It's also big enough to actually work with your fingers and the knob to the right adjusts any numeric settings . Wifi interface also works: meter display, track arming/disarming, record enable and metadata entry are usable through any smartphone/tablet/computer through a web interface rather than an app. Found that iOS devices need to have the R4+ join their network rather than vice-versa.

Battery info is very accurate with smbus type batteries- an RRC 2054 48Whr will last over 8hrs in the machine (depending on settings). It's also possible to power additional equipment from the DC out connector. Power draw seems to be similar to the older R4

There's quite an in-depth video (35mins) with Pierre from Sonosax on the R4+ here:
http://vimeopro.com/ipstv/ips-tv-at-ibc-2015/video/139461486

hi and lo · « **Reply #34 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:35:58 PM »

Update on US availability of the R4+

http://www.sonosax.ch/news/SONONEWS_2015_10_EN.pdf

Quote

SONOSAX SX-R4+ U.S. Version

Most of you already know the sad story, as one is suspecting that the technology we use to achieve
a dynamic range of 135dB in our new SONOSAX SX-R4+ may infringe a US patent, we had to
suspend the delivery of the SX-R4+ in the USA. We still studying the technical aspect and also the
legal terms of this patent; this may take a while….

We know that this situation has raised number of frustrations in the USA and it is our sincere wish to
satisfy our loyal clients and not to neglect the US market generally speaking. Therefore, we are
proud to announce the introduction of a special U.S. version of the SONOSAX SX-R4+.

This U.S. version will make use of one A/D converter only, providing a dynamic range of 114dB. All
other aspects such as the superb sonic performances and all the features remain exactly the same
as on the world version. This modification is reversible for those who may leave the USA.

...

MakersMarc · « **Reply #35 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:39:35 PM »

Anyone know whose patent?

H₂O · « **Reply #36 on:** October 26, 2015, 09:10:07 PM »

Zaxcom

acidjack · « **Reply #37 on:** October 27, 2015, 11:44:53 AM »

Quote from: hi and lo on October 26, 2015, 08:35:58 PM

Update on US availability of the R4+

http://www.sonosax.ch/news/SONONEWS_2015_10_EN.pdf

Quote
SONOSAX SX-R4+ U.S. Version

Most of you already know the sad story, as one is suspecting that the technology we use to achieve
a dynamic range of 135dB in our new SONOSAX SX-R4+ may infringe a US patent, we had to
suspend the delivery of the SX-R4+ in the USA. We still studying the technical aspect and also the
legal terms of this patent; this may take a while….

We know that this situation has raised number of frustrations in the USA and it is our sincere wish to
satisfy our loyal clients and not to neglect the US market generally speaking. Therefore, we are
proud to announce the introduction of a special U.S. version of the SONOSAX SX-R4+.

This U.S. version will make use of one A/D converter only, providing a dynamic range of 114dB. All
other aspects such as the superb sonic performances and all the features remain exactly the same
as on the world version. This modification is reversible for those who may leave the USA.

...

So wait, should I wait around for this or just get the Zoom at 1/5 the price?

Hypnocracy · « **Reply #38 on:** October 27, 2015, 07:57:27 PM »

Quote

SONOSAX SX-R4+ recorder, announcing the US version; to be seen at the AES Convention in New York

They will have units at the AES Convention to take place October 29-November 1 at the Jacob Javits Center...go lay your hands on it an the Zoom F8 report back

pohaku · « **Reply #39 on:** October 27, 2015, 09:46:11 PM »

Quote from: hi and lo on October 26, 2015, 08:35:58 PM

Update on US availability of the R4+

http://www.sonosax.ch/news/SONONEWS_2015_10_EN.pdf

Quote
SONOSAX SX-R4+ U.S. Version

Most of you already know the sad story, as one is suspecting that the technology we use to achieve
a dynamic range of 135dB in our new SONOSAX SX-R4+ may infringe a US patent, we had to
suspend the delivery of the SX-R4+ in the USA. We still studying the technical aspect and also the
legal terms of this patent; this may take a while….

We know that this situation has raised number of frustrations in the USA and it is our sincere wish to
satisfy our loyal clients and not to neglect the US market generally speaking. Therefore, we are
proud to announce the introduction of a special U.S. version of the SONOSAX SX-R4+.

This U.S. version will make use of one A/D converter only, providing a dynamic range of 114dB. All
other aspects such as the superb sonic performances and all the features remain exactly the same
as on the world version. This modification is reversible for those who may leave the USA.

...

Interesting. I wonder how one might reverse that modification? Hypothetically of course.

John Willett · « **Reply #40 on:** October 28, 2015, 08:20:18 AM »

Quote from: pohaku on October 27, 2015, 09:46:11 PM

Quote from: hi and lo on October 26, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
Update on US availability of the R4+

http://www.sonosax.ch/news/SONONEWS_2015_10_EN.pdf

Quote
SONOSAX SX-R4+ U.S. Version

Most of you already know the sad story, as one is suspecting that the technology we use to achieve
a dynamic range of 135dB in our new SONOSAX SX-R4+ may infringe a US patent, we had to
suspend the delivery of the SX-R4+ in the USA. We still studying the technical aspect and also the
legal terms of this patent; this may take a while….

We know that this situation has raised number of frustrations in the USA and it is our sincere wish to
satisfy our loyal clients and not to neglect the US market generally speaking. Therefore, we are
proud to announce the introduction of a special U.S. version of the SONOSAX SX-R4+.

This U.S. version will make use of one A/D converter only, providing a dynamic range of 114dB. All
other aspects such as the superb sonic performances and all the features remain exactly the same
as on the world version. This modification is reversible for those who may leave the USA.

...

Interesting. I wonder how one might reverse that modification? Hypothetically of course.

It would be a software update - because if they find that they are, in fact, not infringing the patent, then they have to have it easily reversable.

Also - it will also depend on how long the patent runs so they can reverse it when the patent runs out.

If it's just a US patent, maybe the world version is available in Canada

aaronji · « **Reply #41 on:** October 28, 2015, 09:08:46 AM »

^ If it is fixable by software, it seems like it would be pretty easy to "hack" a US version if Sonosax were to, say, post an update for European users...

Fried Chicken Boy · « **Reply #42 on:** October 28, 2015, 02:19:44 PM »

I don't suppose Sonosax will be reducing the deck's price in the U.S. market due to the anxiety to their customers and hobbled (albeit reversable) dynamic range?

kingkita · « **Reply #43 on:** November 02, 2015, 01:58:31 PM »

Quote from: John Willett on October 28, 2015, 08:20:18 AM

Quote from: pohaku on October 27, 2015, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: hi and lo on October 26, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
Update on US availability of the R4+

http://www.sonosax.ch/news/SONONEWS_2015_10_EN.pdf

Quote
SONOSAX SX-R4+ U.S. Version

Most of you already know the sad story, as one is suspecting that the technology we use to achieve
a dynamic range of 135dB in our new SONOSAX SX-R4+ may infringe a US patent, we had to
suspend the delivery of the SX-R4+ in the USA. We still studying the technical aspect and also the
legal terms of this patent; this may take a while….

We know that this situation has raised number of frustrations in the USA and it is our sincere wish to
satisfy our loyal clients and not to neglect the US market generally speaking. Therefore, we are
proud to announce the introduction of a special U.S. version of the SONOSAX SX-R4+.

This U.S. version will make use of one A/D converter only, providing a dynamic range of 114dB. All
other aspects such as the superb sonic performances and all the features remain exactly the same
as on the world version. This modification is reversible for those who may leave the USA.

...

Interesting. I wonder how one might reverse that modification? Hypothetically of course.

It would be a software update - because if they find that they are, in fact, not infringing the patent, then they have to have it easily reversable.

Also - it will also depend on how long the patent runs so they can reverse it when the patent runs out.

If it's just a US patent, maybe the world version is available in Canada

They told me last week it would just need a firmware update to reverse it back to 135db.

H₂O · « **Reply #44 on:** November 13, 2015, 01:22:21 PM »

If you want to read the whole story about the Zaxcom vs Sonosax Patent war see:

See Sonosax's statement:
http://sonosax.ch/recorders/sx-r4p/AUDIO_PATENTS.pdf

Zaxcom's reply a few post after Jac's:
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/23419-sonosax-sx-r4/&page=21

From Sonosax viewpoint (which personally I'd trust over Zaxcom) - Basically Zaxcom patented an existing concept and threatened to take legal action if Sonosax released the unhindered version in the US.

lubage · « **Reply #45 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:15:21 PM »

I pre-ordered the R4+ back in May (I think) and have been following the jwsoundgroup threads about this. Just my opinion - I think Sonosax came to the conclusion that they may have inadvertently infringed on one of Zaxcom's patents. How hard would it have been to get a deck with NeverClip and compare the machines and circuit schemas? I'd be shocked if they didn't do this, given that they have decided to release a U.S. version with a lower dynamic range.

I hope the two parties can come together amicably but based on what I've read, it doesn't look very promising.

stevetoney · « **Reply #46 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:40:40 PM »

^ Looks to me like Sax simply decided they don't want to pay to play.

If Zax owns the patent, they have the right to protect their patent. Sonosax's claim that everyone shares technology is IMHO a dumb business statement and it has nothing to do with whether or not Zaxcom owns the patent. Patents exist for a reason so if Sax developed technology way back when but didn't apply for the patent, then that's their dumb business move...if you snooze you lose.

It seems pretty clear to me that since Sax won't be challenging the patent who is in the right here. It's seems to me like it's just sour grapes for Sax to issue statements about Zax being unwilling to share technology for free...technology which Zaxcom apparently rightly owns.

Sax isn't willing to cut their profit margins by paying Zax their due in licensing fees, so you USA customers are getting a lesser product. They're just trying to make Zax out to be the bad guy for being unwilling to give away something Sax thinks they should give away for free.

aaronji · « **Reply #47 on:** November 13, 2015, 04:08:10 PM »

^ That is a reasonable interpretation, but it's also possible that Zaxcom was demanding unreasonably high license fees in order to stifle some competition...

H₂O · « **Reply #48 on:** November 13, 2015, 05:28:17 PM »

I read it more as a Zaxcom is acting like a Patent Troll here by taking a trivial idea (an idea that has been around for 25 years or more) and patenting a spin on it (i.e. the algorithim put into the DSP to crecombine the streams)

Which in turn forces Sonosax to play ball and have to spend extra capital to prove we aren't infringing on Zaxcom's patent - when in the past there was an un-written rule not to do this - as the companies are small

I agree that when a company spends many tens of millions of dollars to develop a technology over a number of years then it should receive a patent and it should be protected,
but when a company spends a trivial amount of time (probably no more than 200 man hours of development and maybe another 100 man hours to patent - based on technological concepts 25 years old) in order to block out competition as a predatory practice.

To give you an example I would never patent my tube power supply (even though I spent probably the same amount of time or more then Zaxcom did programming a DSP) as I feel it would benefit the community more then me being a selfish prick aimed at personal gain.

If Zaxcom had come up with some truely revolutionary idea with Neverclip maybe I would be more sympathetic but that is not the case here.

stevetoney · « **Reply #49 on:** November 13, 2015, 06:27:50 PM »

Quote from: H₂O on November 13, 2015, 05:28:17 PM

I read it more as a Zaxcom is acting like a Patent Troll here by taking a trivial idea (an idea that has been around for 25 years or more) and patenting a spin on it (i.e. the algorithim put into the DSP to crecombine the streams)

Which in turn forces Sonosax to play ball and have to spend extra capital to prove we aren't infringing on Zaxcom's patent - when in the past there was an un-written rule not to do this - as the companies are small

I agree that when a company spends many tens of millions of dollars to develop a technology over a number of years then it should receive a patent and it should be protected,
but when a company spends a trivial amount of time (probably no more than 200 man hours of development and maybe another 100 man hours to patent - based on technological concepts 25 years old) in order to block out competition as a predatory practice.

To give you an example I would never patent my tube power supply (even though I spent probably the same amount of time or more then Zaxcom did programming a DSP) as I feel it would benefit the community more then me being a selfish prick aimed at personal gain.

If Zaxcom had come up with some truely revolutionary idea with Neverclip maybe I would be more sympathetic but that is not the case here.

It's not that I disagree with any of these points. When two companies are in a public tit-for-tat blame game type of argument, you can never know for sure what the real story is. But the fact is that a patent was granted...so no matter whether it was a 'spin' on an old idea or not, the fact remains that Zaxcom owns the patent.

a) Just because Sax claims it's old technology doesn't make it so. The fact that the algorithm was 'revolutionary' was proven, in essence, by the fact that the patent was granted.

b) The amount invested has never had any bearing on the value of a patent. In fact, the simpler the idea the greater the need for a patent to protect from infringement.

H₂O · « **Reply #50 on:** November 13, 2015, 08:14:33 PM »

It's pretty evident that the US patent system is broken (not based on this - based on all the garbage patent trolls get away and I have dealt with some of this in my job with telco patents) - the idea that Zaxcom came up with is definitely NOT revolutionary and as mentioned any other threads before Sonosax's message was thought up at least 20 years ago

I wonder if Zaxcom will go after Neumann next

kingkita · « **Reply #51 on:** December 17, 2015, 01:35:28 AM »

aaronji · « **Reply #52 on:** December 17, 2015, 05:19:25 AM »

That is a fine looking piece o' gear! I really like the kind of minimalist, uncluttered design...

Life In Rewind · « **Reply #53 on:** December 17, 2015, 05:59:17 AM »

Quote from: aaronji on December 17, 2015, 05:19:25 AM

That is a fine looking piece o' gear! I really like the kind of minimalist, uncluttered design...

I get that - but it also looks like a homemade prototype...like it just came out of the 3-D printer.

stevetoney · « **Reply #54 on:** December 17, 2015, 06:42:01 AM »

Sweet. Looks like you'll want to get a hirose connector for powering from a Tekkeon. What's the function of the small attachment on the right with the coax?

kingkita · « **Reply #55 on:** December 17, 2015, 11:35:06 AM »

WiFI Steve i just hadn't screwed the antenna in yet,I played with that last night works pretty good and you can control it via phone tablet.

stevetoney · « **Reply #56 on:** December 17, 2015, 01:02:27 PM »

Quote from: kingkita on December 17, 2015, 11:35:06 AM

WiFI Steve i just hadn't screwed the antenna in yet,I played with that last night works pretty good and you can control it via phone tablet.

Hell yes! That should be a really awesome function to have. I fully expect some streamed FOB Phish for couch tour next summer. You have no excuse now. LOL

Jhurlbs81 · « **Reply #57 on:** December 17, 2015, 02:00:22 PM »

Beautiful design. I love it.

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #58 on:** December 21, 2015, 08:48:24 PM »

Quote from: Life In Rewind on December 17, 2015, 05:59:17 AM

Quote from: aaronji on December 17, 2015, 05:19:25 AM
That is a fine looking piece o' gear! I really like the kind of minimalist, uncluttered design...

I get that - but it also looks like a homemade prototype...like it just came out of the 3-D printer.

Agreed! I like the minimalistic design and all, but that seems like an unfinished product and not something that got DEELAYED

Its like they didnt care where they put what

They just said "this goes here, this goes here" without any thought out design? For being delayed and all the BS yinz went through to get them, I was expecting a MUCH MORE finished product

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #59 on:** December 21, 2015, 08:49:52 PM »

Quote from: tonedeaf on December 17, 2015, 01:02:27 PM

Quote from: kingkita on December 17, 2015, 11:35:06 AM
WiFI Steve i just hadn't screwed the antenna in yet,I played with that last night works pretty good and you can control it via phone tablet.

Hell yes! That should be a really awesome function to have. I fully expect some streamed FOB Phish for couch tour next summer. You have no excuse now. LOL

Now THAT is dope! You could have it streaming to your phone/laptop and stream the show for everyone pretty easily

Fluffyhead4V · « **Reply #60 on:** January 07, 2016, 11:16:49 AM »

Chris - congrats on the new toy! How do the preamps stack up? Saw the VMS in the yard sale. Have you played with another preamp in front? If so, what do you set as the line in level? I should assume you gave it a 4 night MSG break in session?

noahbickart · « **Reply #61 on:** January 12, 2016, 02:01:59 AM »

what kind of cable do you need for that AES in? How many channels of Digi in are there?

Xcell · « **Reply #62 on:** July 07, 2016, 10:52:18 AM »

Hey there,
a bit later, but I read through this before I even considered to order a demo unit. But now, I just updated my setup a bit and went for a R4+ / M32 combination. I did a rough review (744T vs 688 vs SX62R vs SXR4+) you can check here if interested:

http://boomlibrary.com/boomlibrary/index.php/news/321-review-recorders

Hope this is somehow useful for some of you!

Cheers,
Axel

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