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(Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« on: June 01, 2009, 06:13:59 PM »
I am looking into purchasing a JB3, Iriver h120 or Microtrack 2, but not sure if it is the right route.  I want a device that would be good to patch to a soundboard or easy to patch into another tapers gear without causing them to much trouble!!!  I live in Asheville where there is tons of taper friendly music and this summer I am traveling and hitting the 10,000 lakes fest. (if anyone is going would appreciate a patch and some mentoring advice at the shows) and catching other shows along the way.  I eventually want to build a rig, but I want to start small.  Back in the late 90's my brother and I recorded some show with minidisc, but it seems like that is a dieing technology.  Any advice would be much appreciated!!!  Thanks to everyone in advance

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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 06:41:13 PM »
I am looking into purchasing a JB3, Iriver h120 or Microtrack 2, but not sure if it is the right route.  I want a device that would be good to patch to a soundboard or easy to patch into another tapers gear without causing them to much trouble!!!  I live in Asheville where there is tons of taper friendly music and this summer I am traveling and hitting the 10,000 lakes fest. (if anyone is going would appreciate a patch and some mentoring advice at the shows) and catching other shows along the way.  I eventually want to build a rig, but I want to start small.  Back in the late 90's my brother and I recorded some show with minidisc, but it seems like that is a dieing technology.  Any advice would be much appreciated!!!  Thanks to everyone in advance

JB

If the R-09HR isn't out of your price range (it's $300 new; less used; see www.soundprofessionals.com for a new unit), that's your best bet and it has somewhat decent built-in mics.  You can probably find a used unit on here or elsewhere. Its predecessor, the R-01, was also pretty solid, though the preamp in it is not as good.

My familiarity with the three you mentioned is lower, but I feel like I see the most positive comments about the iRiver.  But, I'll leave that to the folks that actually use them.

Honestly, if you have access to an MD or DAT and know how to get the recordings onto a computer, those options (especially a DAT) are just fine. A reliable DAT machine like an old workhouse D8 or D100 is certainly a fine unit for recording, though a bit more of a pain to transfer to computer obviously than something that records to an SD card.  The MD being lossy makes it less desirable, but if it meant that I could afford some decent mics like SP-CMC-8 or Church CA14s, I'd use that or a DAT in a heartbeat.

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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2009, 07:10:06 PM »
DAT is totally out... why even bother?
if you plan on patching out of another taper, you shouldn't go the analog route
then you need something with SPDIF input so you can receive a digital input
and the iRivers need an optical input which no machine I am aware of can pass
(I didn't say pre amp) so that leaves you with the MTII out of what you mentioned
that also gives you the option of 24 bit (the JB3 doesn't, which is also optical)

I think that patching is a good way to start if you are unsure about what you want
you can try different mics and pre amps to see what YOU like

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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2009, 07:15:45 PM »
much appreciated!!! I would like to stay away from Minidisc or DAT recorders.  R-09 HR it seems to be a favorite.  Thanks for your advice.
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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2009, 07:33:36 PM »
would the R-09 be a better choose than the microtrack 2? 
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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 04:02:55 AM »
would the R-09 be a better choose than the microtrack 2? 

Well, it depends on what exactly you want to do with it. The R-9/R-9HR DO NOT HAVE DIGITAL INPUTS, ONLY ANALOG, correct? While the MTI/MTII have a COAX DIGITAL INPUT that you CAN get a patch with. So if you do plan on patching more than running your own rig, I would go with an MTII! Then if you decide you like the hobby and want to get your own mics/preamp/adc/etc, then you already have the backend of your rig and can use the MTII you'd already have.
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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 06:08:55 AM »
Thanks Bean I was leaning towards the MT II because of price, but was kind of hesitant based on complaints on TS. 
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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2009, 03:01:14 PM »
Thanks Bean I was leaning towards the MT II because of price, but was kind of hesitant based on complaints on TS. 

You'll need an external battery pack for the MTII because the life of its internal battery is horrible.  The R-09 will run for at least 7 hours on AA batteries. 

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Which device would you suggest MT II, Edirol r09, Korg MR1
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2009, 03:44:02 PM »
Thanks JackDog, What about a Korg MR1?  Does this device have a Coax digital input?  You can get one brand new on ebay for $199 or should I invest in a MTI or II?  I want to start with something that I could get a digital patch out of.  I am still skeptical about Microtrack due to some many complaints, but the price isn't bad.  Any advice or suggestions would help and thanks to everyone for their input!!
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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 05:25:49 PM »
Why do you need a digital patch?  There's nothing wrong with an analog patch, IMO.  I don't know anything about the Korg MR1, but I'd stay away from the Microtrack recorders if I were you.

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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2009, 06:08:56 PM »
Why do you need a digital patch?  There's nothing wrong with an analog patch, IMO.  I don't know anything about the Korg MR1, but I'd stay away from the Microtrack recorders if I were you.

why add an analog/digital conversion?... get the signal originally converted
I have 2 friends locally that use the MTII
one uses a Mini ME, and the other gets DIGITAL patches from me
both are EXTREMELY happy with their units

the only unit that accepts SPDIF in your price range, is the MTII

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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2009, 06:54:18 PM »
Thanks Darby, I am leanin' towards the MT II based on the dig. coax, but want to give others a chance to support their devices and see what the best value for my money is!!!!!  Not getting allot of info. on the other devices.  It you have any expertise with these devices please chime in.  Thanks a ton JB
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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2009, 07:13:50 PM »
I have a friend that uses a Marantz 620, and another that uses the R-09
but otherwise I don't know anyone personally that uses a machine in your price range

all units obviously have their pros and cons, it just depends what you want to use it for
by having SPDIF, you can get a digital patch from another taper
and the ability to run out of a pre amp like my V3 or the Mini ME in the future
other pre amps like the V2, the Neve Portico or the Aerco MP2 only have analog out capability
which will be fine with the Marantz 620, the R-09 and a few other units in your price range
 
don't be in a hurry to get something you may not want down the line

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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2009, 09:17:40 PM »
so I am gettin the feeling I should lean towards the MTII
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Re: (Newb) Recording device that won't break the bank
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2009, 11:20:10 PM »
I'm actually in the process of upgrading to the MTII, from my JB3... I dont know if your still in the market but shoot me a PM and let me know if you are interested.

Its fully functional has two batteries, wall charger and USB cable. Works great ive used it for the past year, but I just recently bought almost a whole new rig so i figured id just upgrade my recording device as well..
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