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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: thebeaker on February 19, 2018, 10:51:03 AM
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Hi,
I am looking for an alternative CA-11 Model but without LowSense Mod fir quiet shows like theatre.
Is there any conparabale mic, buyable in Europe?
Best regards
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DPAs are available in Europe, right? If so the 4060 might fit the bill. If you have more of a CA11 budget, though, DPAs are probably not in the running.
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These mics are widely available in Europe. Should be suitable for quiet up to loud, but not too loud, shows.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=180158.0
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You can try primo caps for ambient recordings. They are very quite, but they are limited around 14kHz. Look at datasheet, there is frequency chart.
http://micbooster.com/primo-microphone-capsules/98-mono-clippy-em172-microphone.html
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Maybe those ones, handmade in Norway?
Specs:
Characteristics: Omni
Sensitivity: -28dB ± 3dB at 1kHz (38mV/Pa) at 5V
Impedance: 2.4kOhm
Max Input Level: 122dB S.P.L. Typ
Signal to Noise Ratio: >78dB
Self Noise: <15dB
Operating Voltage 2-10V (5V ideal)
Here:
https://www.luhd-mics.com/store/p19/PM-01AB_Stereo_Microphone.html
https://www.luhd-mics.com/store/c1/Featured_Products.html
FWIW.
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Sennheiser makes some very nice, high-sensitivity small mics. Either omnis or cards. They are widely available in Europe.
You might need to re-terminate them, though, and they will be a bit more expensive than Church. Pricewise, in between the CAs and the DPAs (which I think are great, by the way)...
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How about Soundman.de in-ear mics? From Germany. They're tiny and very detailed and about the same price as CA-11.
http://www.soundman.de/
If you can figure out the confusing website, or just email Soundman, they can tell you what the right mics are for you--they have various sensitivities. They respond quickly to email.
You probably do NOT need the most expensive ones, which are very precisely matched for studio recording.
I run Soundman-->battery box-->Line-in-->Sony PCM-M10 to record loud live music. For what it's worth, I've seen disappointed reviews about the Soundman battery module, which is only 6 volts. Since the mics can handle up to 10 volts, I use a 9V battery box with them that I already owned (SoundProfessionals).
But you're not recording loud music. You're recording quiet sounds, and if you're using a preamp, or a recorder with a good built-in mic preamp, you wouldn't need a battery module at all.
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If you're happy with the CA-11's, but need better range at a similar budget, try the CA-14's.
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I've got a pair of Jonas Gruska's Usi Pro mics based on the EM172 capsule and find them decent for ambient recording in quiet settings. He's got a preorder going now for them: https://lom-label.myshopify.com/ (https://lom-label.myshopify.com/). He's based in Europe. Note that delivery wouldn't be for a couple of months.
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Thanks for all posts. But I definetly want to go for card microphones. Unfortunately all mics are omnis :(
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You could try some of the small AT cards (like the AT853). I think they make/made some that were designed for hanging over a chorus and that sort of thing.
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Thanks for all posts. But I definetly want to go for card microphones. Unfortunately all mics are omnis :(
Like I already said, if you like the CA-11's., than try the CA-14's. They are available in both Cardioid and Omni and are far superior to the CA-11's.
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Thanks for all posts. But I definetly want to go for card microphones. Unfortunately all mics are omnis :(
Like I already said, if you like the CA-11's., than try the CA-14's. They are available in both Cardioid and Omni and are far superior to the CA-11's.
The ca-14 cards are better yes.
The ca-11 omnis are better than the ca-14 onmis.
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Hi,
I am looking for an alternative CA-11 Model but without LowSense Mod fir quiet shows like theatre.
Is there any conparabale mic, buyable in Europe?
Best regards
I don't understand it? Do you already have the ca-11's?
Why not go mic in for quit shows? Or use a good preamp?
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I tried my ca11 and had to add 40db gain. That was a very noisey record... It was a non amplified theatre
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^ More sensitive mics would definitely help. Sennheiser does make some high-sensitivity cardioid lavaliers (ME4 at 40 mV/Pa and MKE40 at 42 mV/Pa). I don't have any experience with either, but their miniature omnis are quite good, and, of course, they are a pretty highly regarded manufacturer. Maybe worth taking a look?
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Thanks for all posts. But I definetly want to go for card microphones. Unfortunately all mics are omnis :(
Like I already said, if you like the CA-11's., than try the CA-14's. They are available in both Cardioid and Omni and are far superior to the CA-11's.
The ca-14 cards are better yes.
The ca-11 omnis are better than the ca-14 onmis.
Really? Huh, go figure :shrug:
I tried my ca11 and had to add 40db gain. That was a very noisey record... It was a non amplified theatre
Are you recording at 24bit? Preferably at a high sample rate... If so, worry about the quality and not the volume that you record a. If you are using 24/96, you could jack the levels in post and shouldn't hear any difference. With my CA-1's I use the CA9200, and get no unwanted noise. Ever. What are you using for a pre?