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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Dutchman1101 on January 23, 2007, 04:38:40 PM
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Well guys i think it's time for another thread. Chuck, can you lock part 3 homie ;D
I use duracell and powerex. Now I have 2 battery sleds, one is modified with longer springs for better contact with the AA's. ALSO if your springs aren't coming into contact as well with the + ends, peel off some of the plastic around the + tip of the battery to expose more metal contact. Compare a recharge vs alkaline, they cover up everything but the tip on the + ends.
Thanks for the tips Sanjay! You purchased Chucks old unit I assume. I know he made a modified sled, but I'm not that crafty. I'm going to do some more tests. Doug told me to compare them to Alkalines too. My buddy Ehren has a 671 and uses a DVD battery. Maybe I'll try his sled and see if does the same thing.
Harrison
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Got my ACM a cople of weeks ago, and Doug said he was going to lower the price since he had cut some of his overhead, just checked the Oade sute and the ACM is 1249.00. Good news for those holding out.
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50 bucks cheaper, not bad. that either gets you a CF card or some batteries.
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Is the battery issue you guys are talking about the same as the putting the shims in the 660? I also occasionally adjust my contacts slightly.
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Is the battery issue you guys are talking about the same as the putting the shims in the 660? I also occasionally adjust my contacts slightly.
Sounds the same to me. I tried notmal Alkalines last night and had no problems at all. I'll do another test to be sure but I did everything I did with the Powerex batts and had no problems. I took off the battery cover I pushed slightly on the battery sled and nothing happened. I think my problem is the 2700mah batts are bigger then the alkalines and thats what causing the problems. I ordred some 2000mah Powerex AA's to see if those will work. The 2500mah Powerex AA's are even a bit smaller then the 2700mah. I'll keep you guys updated.
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the 2500 Powerex work fine.
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the 2500 Powerex work fine.
Yeah I think that small size difference might cause a problem with the 2700mah. I'll do a test tonight with my 2500mah Powerex batts.
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just checkin' in.
glad to see some new members around these parts. +t to y'all.
Backatcha Tim!
This is for sure an awesome recorder. The A/D seems to be very good. I have only used it once but was quite impressed.
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checking in to the new thread. welcome new members. t's all around as well.
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Money Order going out today to Nick's Picks for the 671. I'm hoping to run it behind the V3 for moe. 2/10. initally planned on going V3>coax>671, but i'm contemplating V3>line in>671. thoughts?
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just use it as a bit bucket, v3>671 coax
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Money Order going out today to Nick's Picks for the 671. I'm hoping to run it behind the V3 for moe. 2/10. initally planned on going V3>coax>671, but i'm contemplating V3>line in>671. thoughts?
while i respectfully disagree with merin, i suggest you do both. one set each.
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initially i was thinking coax route, but it might be a god idea to do an A/B comparison. this is a little off topic but, isn't it important to run your levels a little more conservative when going 24 bit and then if necessary adjust the gain in post?
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initially i was thinking coax route, but it might be a god idea to do an A/B comparison. this is a little off topic but, isn't it important to run your levels a little more conservative when going 24 bit and then if necessary adjust the gain in post?
yes. i like to peak b/w -6>-3, but the 671 clips rather gracefully.
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initially i was thinking coax route, but it might be a god idea to do an A/B comparison. this is a little off topic but, isn't it important to run your levels a little more conservative when going 24 bit and then if necessary adjust the gain in post?
yes. i like to peak b/w -6>-3, but the 671 clips rather gracefully.
That's good to hear becuase I run my shit HOT >:D
I did some tests last night with the 2500mah Powerex batts AA's and had no problems. I really think it's the size of the 2700mah that was causing the problems. Knock on wood but I think I may have solved this crap ???
Harrison
Edit: +T to everyone for suggestions and tips!
Edit #2: Those 2500mah batts lasted about 6.5 hours too :o
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I run 481/3 > V3 > stock 671.. I have run both coax and line-in.. Ed (kind kables) made me some slick machined down interconnects for the V3 671 - where the cable runs directionally towards the top of the V3 - works great in my Nova 5.. I also have a microtracker and sometimes will run 16bit coax into the MT and line out into the 671.. nice backup - small differences in sound - I think I will be catching Col. Hampton and the Quark Alliance this Friday - unfortunately they don't do 2 seperate sets.. but maybe I can find a spot to switch and post a good comp between the V3 AD and the 671 AD..
Jeff
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initially i was thinking coax route, but it might be a god idea to do an A/B comparison. this is a little off topic but, isn't it important to run your levels a little more conservative when going 24 bit and then if necessary adjust the gain in post?
yes. i like to peak b/w -6>-3, but the 671 clips rather gracefully.
That's good to hear becuase I run my shit HOT >:D
I did some tests last night with the 2500mah Powerex batts AA's and had no problems. I really think it's the size of the 2700mah that was causing the problems. Knock on wood but I think I may have solved this crap ???
Harrison
Edit: +T to everyone for suggestions and tips!
Edit #2: Those 2500mah batts lasted about 6.5 hours too :o
glad it worked out.
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I run 481/3 > V3 > stock 671.. I have run both coax and line-in.. Ed (kind kables) made me some slick machined down interconnects for the V3 671 - where the cable runs directionally towards the top of the V3 - works great in my Nova 5.. I also have a microtracker and sometimes will run 16bit coax into the MT and line out into the 671.. nice backup - small differences in sound - I think I will be catching Col. Hampton and the Quark Alliance this Friday - unfortunately they don't do 2 seperate sets.. but maybe I can find a spot to switch and post a good comp between the V3 AD and the 671 AD..
Jeff
that's the same setup i will be running (including the nova 5) i was about to place an order with ed for a coax. do you have any pics of your set up in bag? i'm really interested in checking it out. do you have the 671 in the back of the bag so the interconnects run out the top of the V3? i'm assuming the weight of the V3 rests on the cables your running. any info/pics is much appreciated!
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ck61 > JKLabs > SX-M2 > ACM 671 (line in)
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78727.0.html
this is my best pull ever from this venue.
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hello all, been a while since i posted. dunno if anybody remembers the battery discussions in part 1.... i had problems w/ nimh batts - you could "flex" the 671 in the middle and the deck would shut down. i believe the biggest problem is the contact between the tray and the unit.
sennheiser/akg > dmx-p01 > 671
neil in san diego
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Hey Guys,
I'm building a new rig and have just gotten a PMD-671 for christmas from my wife (she's awesome!), and I'm buying a Schoeps CMXY4V. I'm curious what you all think regarding whether it's worth upgrading other components. Should I get the Oade mod done? Is there a reason to use a different mic pre, etc?
Thanks for any help you can provide!
Phil
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get the Oade mod....STAT!!!! (as long as she bought it from Oade; he only mods products bought from him).
you won't be disappointed.
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If you buy the schoeps from Doug you might be able to talk him into doing the mod on the 671 even if you did not buy it from him.
If not put a nice pre in front of it like the Neve 5012.
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I waited to get the mod and used my old v2 in front of it. Mistake on my part Get the ACM if you can and do it ASAP. You will not regret it. Festival season is approaching fast.
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I ran out of gain running 481> ACM671 recording the Gregg and Warren acoustic set at Red Rocks over the summer. But... I had the -20db (or is it -10 db?*) pad engaged on the 671.
* I don't have that recorder anymore, so I can't look.
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I ran out of gain running 481> ACM671 recording the Gregg and Warren acoustic set at Red Rocks over the summer. But... I had the -20db (or is it -10 db?*) pad engaged on the 671.
* I don't have that recorder anymore, so I can't look.
just noticed you ditched it, not happy with the sonics of teh ACM671 ???
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I loved it, but I got bored I guess. Now I have the V3. I really like the metering on the V3, especially in combo with the Rockboxed iHP-120! A DMIC-20 and another iRiver are in my future too.
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does anyone know when the acm 671 is run wide open (dial at 10) how much gain it's pushing out?
i'm wondering if it's enough for a full on acoustic gig, or if i should run my t+ ua5 in front of it to be safe.
If I remember correctly it's actually an attenuator. Full acoustic gig you should be able to run with the 20 db pad off.
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The 671 controls are attenuators, so it is best to run above 7. That's what Doug told me when I had mine.
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Experieced some general wierdness last night, looking for some possible solutions.
Last week I ran Old School Freight Train no problems KA500>Actives>603a .5 meter Zaollas>ACM671 (24/48) (AC Power) San Disk 4GB
Last night I ran Larry Keel exact same setup except I ran analog out to a Tascam CDA4U to give the band a copy.
I monitored the 4U and everything was fine. I was in at the soundcheck to set levels, accidently recorded about 10 minutes of the soundcheck. Spot checked the CDs before handing them to the band everything was fine.
I got home popped the card into the reader and I have clipping digi noise about every 2 seconds during everything except the the sound check
Any Ideas on what happened.
Here is a link to 30 seconds of the audio.
http://homepage.mac.com/montyallen/FileSharing16.html
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+T
but I can't help you...I was thinking cellphone, But that ain't no cellphone.
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does anyone know when the acm 671 is run wide open (dial at 10) how much gain it's pushing out?
i'm wondering if it's enough for a full on acoustic gig, or if i should run my t+ ua5 in front of it to be safe.
If I remember correctly it's actually an attenuator. Full acoustic gig you should be able to run with the 20 db pad off.
i've never run without the pad engaged because i thought doug said the ACM was designed to be run with it on at all times. has anyone ran with it off?
all i know is, do not turn off the pad for a PA recording. you *will* brickwall.
/never recorded an acoustic gig
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Experieced some general wierdness last night, looking for some possible solutions.
Last week I ran Old School Freight Train no problems KA500>Actives>603a .5 meter Zaollas>ACM671 (24/48) (AC Power) San Disk 4GB
Last night I ran Larry Keel exact same setup except I ran analog out to a Tascam CDA4U to give the band a copy.
I monitored the 4U and everything was fine. I was in at the soundcheck to set levels, accidently recorded about 10 minutes of the soundcheck. Spot checked the CDs before handing them to the band everything was fine.
I got home popped the card into the reader and I have clipping digi noise about every 2 seconds during everything except the the sound check
Any Ideas on what happened.
Here is a link to 30 seconds of the audio.
http://homepage.mac.com/montyallen/FileSharing16.html
i had similar issues from the right channel (463>dogstars>bm2ua5>stock671>kingston45x) the other nite at lotus. it was all over the first set and then none in the second set. tried to recreate the problem at home and everything checks out. wish i could help.
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+T
but I can't help you...I was thinking cellphone, But that ain't no cellphone.
FWIW I don’t believe cell phones effect solid-state recorders. I think they only cause noise on hard drives. I could be wrong though ??? That's what I've heard in the past at least.
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+T
but I can't help you...I was thinking cellphone, But that ain't no cellphone.
Not a cellphone mine was off and I saw and I saw the table closet to me turn them off. Can't recreate it here at the home.
I contacted Larry to see if I can get copies of the cds back. I'll wait to see what happens.
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The 671 controls are attenuators, so it is best to run above 7. That's what Doug told me when I had mine.
glad I was remembering correctly. The only time I have run effectively without the pad, I was recording bluegrass music. Once onstage and once PA.
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Going to see them 2/24....can't wait.
The gig I'm worried about is this Tuesday, The Chris Thile Band and the opener, Sometymes Why.
Sometymes Why Personnel -
Kristin Andreassen (Uncle Earl) - vocals, guitar, harmonica, glockenspeil, piano, cymbals, tambourine
Aoife O'Donovan (Crooked Still) - vocals, guitar, ukulele, piano, glockenspeil, tambourine, cowbell
Ruth Ungar (The Mammals) - vocals, guitar, ukulele, fiddle, glockenspeil, high hat
Thile Personnel -
Chris Thile - mandolin
Bryan Sutton - guitar
Gabe Witcher - fiddle
Noam Pikelny - banjo
Greg Garrison - bass
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but I can't help you...I was thinking cellphone, But that ain't no cellphone.
FWIW I don’t believe cell phones effect solid-state recorders. I think they only cause noise on hard drives. I could be wrong though ??? That's what I've heard in the past at least.
Cell phones affect recordings in the form of interference via cabling that isn't shielded well. I don't think recorders enter into the equation at all, be it cassette, dat, hard drive or solid state based.
The error you posted sam is definitely not from a cell phone; it sounds digital in nature. Have you played the files back with the cf card in the 671?
You said the cd's recorded via the analog out were clean when you were monitoring them at the show? If that's the case then I'd think it was a CF card error. The cf card could be going to shit, or maybe it's not fast enough for 24/48 (doubtful). Also, when is the last time you formatted it? That could cause some weird issue as well, if it wasn't formatted in awhile.
I'd set up the gear EXACTLY the same way you did when you had the error, patching the cd recorder out of the analog outs and running the gain on the pre's in the same spot as well. Jiggle all connectors, mess with the powering, etc. Try and eliminate as many possible problems as possible.
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I first thing I tried was to put the card back in the 671 no luck.
I formatted last week week before OSFT, I cleared it but did not format for Keel. The thing that is most baffling is the sound check was perfect, nothing moved all I did was powered on and off.
I will set it up same as Sat night tonight to try and recreate it.
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I first thing I tried was to put the card back in the 671 no luck.
I formatted last week week before OSFT, I cleared it but did not format for Keel. The thing that is most baffling is the sound check was perfect, nothing moved all I did was powered on and off.
I will set it up same as Sat night tonight to try and recreate it.
SetSet everything up last night, the same digi noise occurred only once in an hour and and a half. Replaced the card with a freshly formatted card ran 1.5 hours no noise. Then tried the first with with one of nicks batteries http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78279.msg1046241.html#msg1046241 no noise on either card. So my conclusion is when taping in the case use only batteries with freshly formatted cards
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fwiw, i always format(kingston 45X) before hitting the field.
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fwiw, i always format(kingston 45X) before hitting the field.
what do you use to format?
The only device I can get to work is my camera.
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fwiw, i always format(kingston 45X) before hitting the field.
what do you use to format?
The only device I can get to work is my camera.
I was using the Marantz to format; I have used my computer with a card reader attached in the past for my camera.
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What brand reader are you guys using? price?
How do you format using the 671? I haven't figured that out yet.
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i use windoze. i transfer via usb, check both files, then format the card.
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i use windoze. i transfer via usb, check both files, then format the card.
doesn't work for me
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right-click start>explore>right-click>removable drive>format does not work? ???
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What brand reader are you guys using? price?
How do you format using the 671? I haven't figured that out yet.
Compact Flash Card Format
From STOP: press MARK/EDIT (2 seconds) > press MARK/EDIT (4x) to choose FORMAT > press ENTER Format OK? > press ENTER
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I posted in Remote Power as well.
Well I finally had time to do a little testing on the WalMart battery.
AKG 483 > Oade ACM Marantz PMD-671 (24/48), phantom on, display light on.
I filled up 2 4GB CF cards + 12 minutes into the third before the last green light went out. So roughly 8 hours of run time.
It finally died 18 minutes later, saving the recording. All of this with a two year old battery, one that's been used a LOT!
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I posted in Remote Power as well.
Well I finally had time to do a little testing on the WalMart battery.
AKG 483 > Oade ACM Marantz PMD-671 (24/48), phantom on, display light on.
I filled up 2 4GB CF cards + 12 minutes into the third before the last green light went out. So roughly 8 hours of run time.
It finally died 18 minutes later, saving the recording. All of this with a two year old battery, one that's been used a LOT!
thats weird. they only work for an hour for me. as soon as one green light goes down, dead within minutes. however, nick's pick's just built me a battery that should last a while. havent run any tests on it yet.
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I posted in Remote Power as well.
Well I finally had time to do a little testing on the WalMart battery.
AKG 483 > Oade ACM Marantz PMD-671 (24/48), phantom on, display light on.
I filled up 2 4GB CF cards + 12 minutes into the third before the last green light went out. So roughly 8 hours of run time.
It finally died 18 minutes later, saving the recording. All of this with a two year old battery, one that's been used a LOT!
thats weird. they only work for an hour for me. as soon as one green light goes down, dead within minutes. however, nick's pick's just built me a battery that should last a while. havent run any tests on it yet.
Is that line in or are you running the XLR's with phantom on? I have done some tests and my DVD battery gets like 7-8 hours at least going line in. I haven't done any tests with phantom power though.
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XLRs with phantom. i've never run line in on the 671.
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my new battery solution thanks to nick's picks.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78279.msg1065117.html#msg1065117 (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78279.msg1065117.html#msg1065117)
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hey all...are there any specific brands of CF cards to avoid for the 671? i'm getting one pretty soon here....
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josh, i have had no problems out of my two kingston(45x) 4gb cards.
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josh, i have had no problems out of my two kingston(45x) 4gb cards.
same here
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Kingstons work great for me too Simp. I beleive Adorama.com has rebates right now on the 4gb cards.
http://www.adorama.com/Search-Results.tpl?page=searchresults&searchinfo=kingston%20elite
Looks like it ends today!
Harrison
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I just got this Transcend. Works fine running 24/48.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820208050
I also use the Sandisc Ultra II with no problems.
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first time out in the field tomorrow with the 671. can't wait >:D
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first time out in the field tomorrow with the 671. can't wait >:D
good luck. +t
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first time out in the field tomorrow with the 671. can't wait >:D
how did it go?
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first time out in the field tomorrow with the 671. can't wait >:D
how did it go?
i ran 483(DIN)>V3>coax>671(24/48) for TLG and Lotus @ the irvine aud. on UPenn's campus. beautiful venue, but the sound in there wasn't top notch. i started with the V3's gain @ 9 o'clock and was only peaking around -20dB for TLG first song. i jacked it up to 11 after the first tune and went over once on the V3 (but never on the 671.) i like how the bottom left corner of the 671's display shows the peak dB level throughout the recording.
the sound for lotus was a little better and found my comfort zone on the V3 @ 10 o'clock. peak level was -2dB (exactly where i wanted to be.) overall, this thing is a breeze to use! it's functionality is exactly as advertised by many on this site. i powered it with walmart Lion's and used a 8gig kingston card. no problems at all with transfer or anything. i think i found a keeper. +T everyone here with advise and tips!
i'm already thinking about the ACM mod. i think it will be in the very near future 8)
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first time out in the field tomorrow with the 671. can't wait >:D
how did it go?
i ran 483(DIN)>V3>coax>671(24/48) for TLG and Lotus @ the irvine aud. on UPenn's campus. beautiful venue, but the sound in there wasn't top notch. i started with the V3's gain @ 9 o'clock and was only peaking around -20dB for TLG first song. i jacked it up to 11 after the first tune and went over once on the V3 (but never on the 671.) i like how the bottom left corner of the 671's display shows the peak dB level throughout the recording.
the sound for lotus was a little better and found my comfort zone on the V3 @ 10 o'clock. peak level was -2dB (exactly where i wanted to be.) overall, this thing is a breeze to use! it's functionality is exactly as advertised by many on this site. i powered it with walmart Lion's and used a 8gig kingston card. no problems at all with transfer or anything. i think i found a keeper. +T everyone here with advise and tips!
i'm already thinking about the ACM mod. i think it will be in the very near future 8)
fwiw.....I sold my V3 to buy the ACM 671. No regrets at all........however, I do like the sonosax in front of it 8)
+T for having fun!!
Tommy
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first time out in the field tomorrow with the 671. can't wait >:D
how did it go?
i ran 483(DIN)>V3>coax>671(24/48) for TLG and Lotus @ the irvine aud. on UPenn's campus. beautiful venue, but the sound in there wasn't top notch. i started with the V3's gain @ 9 o'clock and was only peaking around -20dB for TLG first song. i jacked it up to 11 after the first tune and went over once on the V3 (but never on the 671.) i like how the bottom left corner of the 671's display shows the peak dB level throughout the recording.
the sound for lotus was a little better and found my comfort zone on the V3 @ 10 o'clock. peak level was -2dB (exactly where i wanted to be.) overall, this thing is a breeze to use! it's functionality is exactly as advertised by many on this site. i powered it with walmart Lion's and used a 8gig kingston card. no problems at all with transfer or anything. i think i found a keeper. +T everyone here with advise and tips!
i'm already thinking about the ACM mod. i think it will be in the very near future 8)
fwiw.....I sold my V3 to buy the ACM 671. No regrets at all........however, I do like the sonosax in front of it 8)
+T for having fun!!
Tommy
after listening to a lot of 481/3 > ACM 671 recordings i am leaning towards it as an all-in-one box. but i do want to keep the V3...
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the mods for this are great, if you really want an all in one solution.
but just using it as a bit bucket or running line in from an outboard pre is also very easy and pretty sweet sounding, imo. Buying one of these is almost one of the real no-brainers in our hobby.
I'm sure the same goes for the Tascam for that matter. Great bucket and probably a decent A/D on it as well. One of these days I should play w/one.
But i'm hoping that my days of PCM recording are numbered.
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i got my 671 over the weekend but haven't had a lot of time to play with it...i've got my first run with it tonight at the fox for UM...can anyone point me to a quick start guide or give me a few pointers? i just want to make sure i've got the bit-depth and sample rates all locked in, seamless split set up, and ready to record before i get into the fox.
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copied from the Team 671 thread:
Here is a cheat sheet I got off this forum that was helpful to me. I don't run a 8 gig card yet but from what I've read it just keeps on going...
Marantz PMD671 Settings
Input Source Selection
press INPUT>
Compact Flash Card Format
From STOP: press MARK/EDIT (2 seconds) > press MARK/EDIT (4x) to choose FORMAT > press ENTER Format OK? > press ENTER
Presets
press MENU/STORE (2 seconds) > choose Preset > press ENTER > press F.FWD/+ > choose:
Preset1
RecFormat: 16 bit, 44.1 kHz, PCM, Stereo/ File: wav
RAW Mode: Monitor
Verify: Off
PupPreRec: Off
St Mode: Stereo
Mono Mode: Mono
Auto Mark: Off
Manual TR: On
Auto TRK: Off 5min
SeamlsPly: On
SilentSkp: Off 03sec
Auto Cue: Off 20msec
S.Monitor: Off
SinglePly: Off
Remote: StartPause
ID1Dscrpt: 000000
ID2Origin: 000000
ID3OrgRef: 000000
Preset2
RecFormat: 24 bit, 44.1 kHz, PCM, Stereo/ File: wav
RAW Mode: Monitor
Verify: Off
PupPreRec: Off
St Mode: Stereo
Mono Mode: Mono
Auto Mark: Off
Manual TR: On
Auto TRK: On 2hours
SeamlsPly: On
SilentSkp: Off 03sec
Auto Cue: Off 20msec
S.Monitor: Off
SinglePly: Off
Remote: StartPause
ID1Dscrpt: 000000
ID2Origin: 000000
ID3OrgRef: 000000
Preset3
RecFormat: 24 bit, 96 kHz, PCM, Stereo/ File: wav
RAW Mode: Monitor
Verify: Off
PupPreRec: Off
St Mode: Stereo
Mono Mode: Mono
Auto Mark: Off
Manual TR: On
Auto TRK: On 1hour
SeamlsPly: On
SilentSkp: Off 03sec
Auto Cue: Off 20msec
S.Monitor: Off
SinglePly: Off
Remote: StartPause
ID1Dscrpt: 000000
ID2Origin: 000000
ID3OrgRef: 000000
this was pretty useful to me. +T and congrats on the 671 purchase!
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mine is stock, but came from oade if i want to get it modded. do the mods just improve on the preamp stage or do the oade's do anything to the a/d stage?
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mine is stock, but came from oade if i want to get it modded. do the mods just improve on the preamp stage or do the oade's do anything to the a/d stage?
Just the pre as far as I know Simp. Next time I talk to Doug I'm going to try to ask.
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how much immprovement do you think there is to be made on the line-in stage? for now, since i will be using it with the Mini-MP that is all i will be using, although i could conceiveably put the V3 in there as an A/D convertor if i get the Oade mod on that as well...
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how much immprovement do you think there is to be made on the line-in stage? for now, since i will be using it with the Mini-MP that is all i will be using, although i could conceiveably put the V3 in there as an A/D convertor if i get the Oade mod on that as well...
Simp,
I honestly think the A/D in the 671 is superior to the V3. Do some camparos for sure but I have never liked the V3's A/D. Just my opinion though. I'd def. like to hear a comp though 8)
Harrison
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thanks!! that did help quite a bit, and after running through the settings i think i have a better feel for the unit.
well i got everything all set up in a new bag...i'm not entirely thrilled with the bag but i'm hoping the new sound will far exceed my accessorizing woes ;)
i'll report back after the show!!
copied from the Team 671 thread:
Here is a cheat sheet I got off this forum that was helpful to me. I don't run a 8 gig card yet but from what I've read it just keeps on going...
Marantz PMD671 Settings
Input Source Selection
press INPUT>
Compact Flash Card Format
From STOP: press MARK/EDIT (2 seconds) > press MARK/EDIT (4x) to choose FORMAT > press ENTER Format OK? > press ENTER
Presets
press MENU/STORE (2 seconds) > choose Preset > press ENTER > press F.FWD/+ > choose:
Preset1
RecFormat: 16 bit, 44.1 kHz, PCM, Stereo/ File: wav
RAW Mode: Monitor
Verify: Off
PupPreRec: Off
St Mode: Stereo
Mono Mode: Mono
Auto Mark: Off
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this was pretty useful to me. +T and congrats on the 671 purchase!
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another one from the impact zone. i am very proud of it. ran 2 different pairs of mics each set. TL's & 463's.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,80666.0.html (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,80666.0.html)
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http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,80674.0.html
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well...first set got botched! for some reason the 671 was counting very slowly and it only showed about 45 min recorded when the set was actually more like 1:10. listening back to the file, it clearly skips ahead every few seconds to compensate for the smaller time window. very strange...
i was running the 4gb PNY card given to me with the 671 for the 1st set...24/96, with both internal ni-mh's and external dvd battery connected.
for the 2nd set, i used my kingston 4gb card that i've always used with the mt2496....after formatting this showed a few extra minutes than the PNY card. i double checked the recording profile, all was good, and ran only off of the internal ni-mh's. 2nd set came out fine.
anyone experience anything like that before? know what caused it??
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well...first set got botched! for some reason the 671 was counting very slowly and it only showed about 45 min recorded when the set was actually more like 1:10. listening back to the file, it clearly skips ahead every few seconds to compensate for the smaller time window. very strange...
i was running the 4gb PNY card given to me with the 671 for the 1st set...24/96, with both internal ni-mh's and external dvd battery connected.
for the 2nd set, i used my kingston 4gb card that i've always used with the mt2496....after formatting this showed a few extra minutes than the PNY card. i double checked the recording profile, all was good, and ran only off of the internal ni-mh's. 2nd set came out fine.
anyone experience anything like that before? know what caused it??
the pny card wasn't able to write the 24/96 stream fast enough so it created skips. it's probably only fast enough to record at 24/48. i use kingston elite pro 50x 2, 4 or 8 gb cards exclusively and have never had a problem with them at 24/96.
if you're planning on doing high resolutions a lot make sure you get a card that is fast enough. you can test the write speed of the card with the deck and see how fast it is.
how do you like the sound of the 2nd set?
i thought that might be the problem...
i'll bring my OTG drive tonight (even though it has been kinda flaky since getting slightly crushed on a flight) and just use the kingston card for both sets after i transfer the 1st off during set break. then i guess i'll look into getting a new card.
the 2nd set sounds great! i still need to tweak the levels between the MP and the 671...i was running about 30db or so gain on the MP, with the output set to around 0, and the 671 on around 7-8...should i leave the 671 wide open and adjust the output on the MP? or adjust the gain and leave the output where it is? or adjust it on the 671??
in any case, i think i am going to like the MP with my MBHO's!
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well...first set got botched! for some reason the 671 was counting very slowly and it only showed about 45 min recorded when the set was actually more like 1:10. listening back to the file, it clearly skips ahead every few seconds to compensate for the smaller time window. very strange...
i was running the 4gb PNY card given to me with the 671 for the 1st set...24/96, with both internal ni-mh's and external dvd battery connected.
for the 2nd set, i used my kingston 4gb card that i've always used with the mt2496....after formatting this showed a few extra minutes than the PNY card. i double checked the recording profile, all was good, and ran only off of the internal ni-mh's. 2nd set came out fine.
anyone experience anything like that before? know what caused it??
the pny card wasn't able to write the 24/96 stream fast enough so it created skips. it's probably only fast enough to record at 24/48. i use kingston elite pro 50x 2, 4 or 8 gb cards exclusively and have never had a problem with them at 24/96.
if you're planning on doing high resolutions a lot make sure you get a card that is fast enough. you can test the write speed of the card with the deck and see how fast it is.
how do you like the sound of the 2nd set?
i thought that might be the problem...
i'll bring my OTG drive tonight (even though it has been kinda flaky since getting slightly crushed on a flight) and just use the kingston card for both sets after i transfer the 1st off during set break. then i guess i'll look into getting a new card.
the 2nd set sounds great! i still need to tweak the levels between the MP and the 671...i was running about 30db or so gain on the MP, with the output set to around 0, and the 671 on around 7-8...should i leave the 671 wide open and adjust the output on the MP? or adjust the gain and leave the output where it is? or adjust it on the 671??
in any case, i think i am going to like the MP with my MBHO's!
Simp,
I know Ehren ran the MP at 20db like the brick and then adjusted the levels with the 671.
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I need some opinions guys. I sent my 671 to Marantz to get repaired. I got it back in record time, which is very cool, but the thing came back with numerous scratches and scuffmarks. The scratches really aren’t deep except for maybe one right on the front but is it me that when you send a brand new mint piece of equipment to someone it should come back in the same condition. My pops was saying it looks like some of it could have happened in shipping. Well my reply is why did I have to ship it in the first place?
Let me know if I'm being a big baby but this kind of pisses me off. What do you guys think? Do I have a legitimate beef?
Harrison
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I need some opinions guys. I sent my 671 to Marantz to get repaired. I got it back in record time, which is very cool, but the thing came back with numerous scratches and scuffmarks. The scratches really aren’t deep except for maybe one right on the front but is it me that when you send a brand new mint piece of equipment to someone it should come back in the same condition. My pops was saying it looks like some of it could have happened in shipping. Well my reply is why did I have to ship it in the first place?
Let me know if I'm being a big baby but this kind of pisses me off. What do you guys think? Do I have a legitimate beef?
Harrison
was it insured? how was it packaged, in the original material it came in?
i'd call back marantz and start bitching loudly. that is bullshit.
It was insured both ways. I sent it back in the original box and I went above and beyond to make sure nothing was going to happen to it. I got it back from Marantz in the same box but definitely not as secured. In the box if there is no owners manual the 671 can rustle around. I put a thick stack of computer paper to prevent this. Marantz did not. I think most of the scuffmarks on the edges were caused by this. The scratches are most likely from the tech.
Harrison
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definitely call them and have them send you a new one. you sent it in without scratches and it was returned to you worse for wear. sorry that happened man!
well, i love the new combo. it sounds GREAT!!!!! i just gotta grab an 8GB CF card and i'll be good to go running 24/96.
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Yeah, Marantz should have sent it back, to you, in the same condidtion you sent it to them.
But, the more important issue is... does it work properly? Did they fix it?
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if it were me, i would be glad to have a working box. i would only worry about scratches if you plan to sell. :)
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if it were me, i would be glad to have a working box. i would only worry about scratches if you plan to sell. :)
With my slutty ways it's only a matter of time>:D I'm def. calling them tomorrow. I just hope they will be cool about it???
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Great Deal!
Check out this site:
http://tinyurl.com/yscn5j
Buy a PMD-670 ($699) and they'll upgrade you to the PMD-671 for free.
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After just a couple of months and a couple dozen shows I think its time to upgrade to the ACM 670 from the ACM 660 so I can do some audio video recording for DVDs. There has been some chat about video recording and this unit but looking for inside info- plug into my head "line in" :headphones: -
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^^
i think you want this thread http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,33210.0.html
anyways, so anyone know why the 671 won't read a file i renamed via an external reader on my pc?
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anyways, so anyone know why the 671 won't read a file i renamed via an external reader on my pc?
i lost a show one time when i named it while still on the 671. so, i never change the name until its on hd and verified. then, i format the cf via usb. this process has not failed me since.
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i have run mics>m148>acm671 line in (xlr>rca) w/ no problems.
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yea, line in is still hot.
not on the 660 though. that dies w/the ACM.
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welcome.
like the "dimeNbacks" ?
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oh, and NEVER listen to what I say in here.
unless its in the yardsale or retail forums.
;)(
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hey guys,
quick question.
i'm running 483 > stock 671 tomorrow night. do i want the input set to mic in or line in? i'm going to run the -20dB att. and will be providing the mics with phantom though the 671. i've been running the V3 in between but it's not available for this show. fwiw it is a loud rock show. anything else i need to know i may be forgetting?
thanks
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bummer the 722 isnt there yet bud :(
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bummer the 722 isnt there yet bud :(
yeah the package requires a signature. i called them three times to try and schedule a time to pick it up. but they said it must be at least attempted to be delivered first. i'll be at work tomorrow but they assured me it would be delivered anytime b/w 8am and 8 pm ::)
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bummer the 722 isnt there yet bud :(
yeah the package requires a signature. i called them three times to try and schedule a time to pick it up. but they said it must be at least attempted to be delivered first. i'll be at work tomorrow but they assured me it would be delivered anytime b/w 8am and 8 pm ::)
UPS? they lost mine for two days
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bummer the 722 isnt there yet bud :(
yeah the package requires a signature. i called them three times to try and schedule a time to pick it up. but they said it must be at least attempted to be delivered first. i'll be at work tomorrow but they assured me it would be delivered anytime b/w 8am and 8 pm ::)
UPS? they lost mine for two days
fedex. but when i got my V3 UPS delivered it to 4 W Athens and i live at 4 E Athens! i was FLIPPING out :P
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hey guys,
quick question.
i'm running 483 > stock 671 tomorrow night. do i want the input set to mic in or line in? i'm going to run the -20dB att. and will be providing the mics with phantom though the 671. i've been running the V3 in between but it's not available for this show. fwiw it is a loud rock show. anything else i need to know i may be forgetting?
thanks
yes. you want to run mic in w/ the pad. id keep the levels very conservative.
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can/will this run off a walmart battery or do you need to use a sled?
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i also run the internal aa's in tandem with the external batt. that way if the external did fail the deck will automatically switch to the internals without missing a beat.
how i roll as well.
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can/will this run off a walmart battery or do you need to use a sled?
i know of one owner (tommy) that had a problem running his off of a walmart type battery. with that said, i've used one to power the 671 every time i've used it in the field with zero problems. i did have a battery die on me one time, but that was no fault of the deck; the battery just died and never worked again.
i also run the internal aa's in tandem with the external batt. that way if the external did fail the deck will automatically switch to the internals without missing a beat.
I only had problems running the wal-mart battery using the 48V phantom power on the unit. I have used it without running the 48V with no problems.
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Hey Guys, I have a non-Oade PMD-671 and would like to get an upgrade on the mic pre's. Is Doug still pretty restrictive on who he does mods for? Are there alternatives to an Oade Mod?
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Hey Guys, I have a non-Oade PMD-671 and would like to get an upgrade on the mic pre's. Is Doug still pretty restrictive on who he does mods for? Are there alternatives to an Oade Mod?
Only units purchased from him.
I have an ACM 671 4-sale in the Yard Sale. Willing to take offers on it.
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I can't nobody's bought that yet. Unfortunately I already own my PMD-671 :(
Is Doug the only guy that's modded these marantz units?
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so where can i get a decent deal on a kingston elite pro either 4 or 8 GB card?
is this place good?
will i have it by mid-august?
https://www.adorama.com/KGCF8GE.html?sid=11768657562053567
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so where can i get a decent deal on a kingston elite pro either 4 or 8 GB card?
is this place good?
will i have it by mid-august?
https://www.adorama.com/KGCF8GE.html?sid=11768657562053567
it's insane how drastically the price dropped for these cards. i bought an 8 gig kingston back in february and paid over $150 bucks.
i think that's a great price. did you see this too:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,87003.0.html (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,87003.0.html)
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should i get a 45x or 50x?
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should i get a 45x or 50x?
Either one is fine ... I've been using the 45x version in various types of recorders with no problems at all.
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should i get a 45x or 50x?
Either one is fine ... I've been using the 45x version in various types of recorders with no problems at all.
ditto.
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got me acm 671 today. Thanks aberg. :)
can't wait to run it for a few shows coming up next week.
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congrats. +t you will love it. also, check out the comp i just did w/ the 671 vs. 722.
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definitely will.
question because i seem to be blanking on it...
as i said, i've got the acm 671, anybody know what the bass rolloff freqs are? if any at all...
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definitely will.
question because i seem to be blanking on it...
as i said, i've got the acm 671, anybody know what the bass rolloff freqs are? if any at all...
i dont think it has one, but i will look at mine when i get home.
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there must be some sort of bass rolloff if people use this as an all in one box... maybe the acm does some of that?
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i have never and will never use a bass roll-off. but, maybe thats just me. i use mine all the time as an all-in-one and have never thought i needed it. i have recorded FOB at WSP many times, and that is some serious bass. i think you need a sub. :)
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well, maybe i will have to run the ua-5 in front of it then...
the audix mics need a little rolloff, but not much.
ever taped any stack shows with the 671?
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never done a stack tape. have you ever tried rolling off w/ software in post?
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nope. i think my bigger fear is clipping due to boomy bass.
i use wavelab to edit, how do you go about doing the rolloff in that?
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got me acm 671 today. Thanks aberg. :)
can't wait to run it for a few shows coming up next week.
Awesome, glad you got it and everything worked out. Let me know how you like it! +t
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in regards to bass distortion, I don't think you need to worry with the acm 671. I taped a lot of really bass heavy shows were some other people had issues and the 671 tape came out crystal clear...
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nope. i think my bigger fear is clipping due to boomy bass.
i use wavelab to edit, how do you go about doing the rolloff in that?
you shouldnt clip cause of bass. run more conservative levels especially when recording in 24 bit. i wasnt aware the ua5 had bass roll-off. there is a help section in wavelab that will walk you through the process. like i said, i have never used roll-off in the field or in post.
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ahh cool. i will give it a shot at some upcoming shows. :)
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nope. i think my bigger fear is clipping due to boomy bass.
i use wavelab to edit, how do you go about doing the rolloff in that?
you shouldnt clip cause of bass. run more conservative levels especially when recording in 24 bit. i wasnt aware the ua5 had bass roll-off. there is a help section in wavelab that will walk you through the process. like i said, i have never used roll-off in the field or in post.
what? this is untrue. the higher quality mics dont have to worry about bass distortion, but the mini-at's and many other lower quality mics clip before ANYTHING ELSE, because of bass!
I have also NEVER used a bass rolloff in field or post. But I dont run muddy mics :P
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also, does anyone know if i can change it so the screen light stays on longer? i didn't see anything in the manual...
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yeah well akg 480s are put of my range right now. :lol
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also, does anyone know if i can change it so the screen light stays on longer? i didn't see anything in the manual...
hold the display button for a second or 2. although, i am not familiar w/ audix's, hypers tend to have a slight bass roll-off versus cards typically. ymmv.
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also, does anyone know if i can change it so the screen light stays on longer? i didn't see anything in the manual...
hold the display button for a second or 2. although, i am not familiar w/ audix's, hypers tend to have a slight bass roll-off versus cards typically. ymmv.
yeah. i've been liking the cards more lately though. :) well, i guess if i didn't really worry about the bass rolloff with the ua-5 there is no reason to worry with this then.
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personally, i would only hold to the ua5 if you plan on doing on-the-fly-matrices. otherwise sell it and your audixes and you might have enough for that set of akg's you want. :D
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well the ua-5 is the next sale. ;)
then once i find some akgs up for sale i'll see what i can get for the audixes.
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ran the 671 last night. awesome stuff.
had some trouble with my recoridng though, not really sure what happened...
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,89660.0.html
any thoughts?
also does everyone run the ANC switch at flat or do they use that to do some bass rolloff?
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I run mine at the flat setting, and using Rode NT-4's seem not to have any problems with bass.....
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so... still trying to work out my problems... but, is there a way to turn off the playback? i am wondering if that is what is causing the problem.
when i don't have headphones plugged in, it plays through the internal speaker so i usually just turn it all the way down. is there anyway to just turn it off? i thought there was a setting, but i can't seem to figure it out in the manual. i think i am just being dense...
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Ok... got a new internal batt sled for the 671 from marantz and it solved my power issues partially. Not loosing the ground anymore... but, now it turns off sometimes like the batts are dead, just after they are fully charged.
They are new batts as of a month ago and I've used them without any real problems with charging issues. Last night, fully charged, about 54 minutes into the show, the box shut off. Luckily I was checking levels JUST at that moment and was able to get it back up and running before missing too much.
Is there some sort of shim I need to do or something to modify this so that all the connections are working?
Thanks!
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so... still trying to work out my problems... but, is there a way to turn off the playback? i am wondering if that is what is causing the problem.
Did you ever find an answer to this? The playback speaker is nice @ home, but no good in the field... and I assume it uses extra battery power as well
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Ok... got a new internal batt sled for the 671 from marantz and it solved my power issues partially.
How? Where? Cost? Id like to have one just as a back up
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FWIW, I bought a 16gb AData CF card that does not work in the 671. It was formatted in the PC, but the error kept saying it needed to be formatted in the PC
I sent an email to Marantz yesterday, I hope to get a response this week.
Anyone have anything over an 8gb working in these?
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Hey all,
Recently bought an ACM 671 so I have a few questions.
1) Is the 10-14-88 one of the better batteries recommended for this unit? I'm looking to be able to record 24/48 with phantom power. If I were to buy one of these, would I need to buy anything else to power it, as in extra equipment to connect the 10-14-88 to the 671? I already have 16 2500 mah rechargeable batteries but would like to also run external power.
http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_p/10-14-88_batterygeek.htm
2) Any recommended manufacturers of 8 gig cards? I remember reading old threads here that stated some had problems with certain brands of 8 gig cards.
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The email I got back from Marantz stated Lexar was their brand of choice.
I already owned a Delkin and a Simple Tech 8gb cards, and both worked... I just wanted to see about getting one card that would cover long road trips to cover a couple of 4+ hour shows
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And this is an assumption, but one of the tips that comes with this should work just fine, as it is the Radio shack M connector that works for this (and M is common, so i assume it it one of the 9 that the battery comes with)
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awesome. thanks for the answers!
i too would like to get a 16 gig card sometime for festival settings as well. hopefully someone chimes in with a compatible 16g card.
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I use a Transcend 8GB 120x. It records fine at 24/48. 24/96 it gave a little problem though.
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.....24/96 it gave a little problem though.
Can you give any more detail on the problem(s)?
Anyone else seeing this same thing?
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It was some sort of buzz/skip.
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It was some sort of buzz/skip.
what kind of cf card?
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what kind of cf card?
He posted it in his original message
I use a Transcend 8GB 120x. It records fine at 24/48. 24/96 it gave a little problem though.
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Finally got to bust out my 671 for the first time the other night. I'm definitely enjoying the sound of this rig. Such a great upgrade over my last equipment. Tomorrow at this time I'll be seeing MMW for the first time since Summercamp!
Galactic - 2.17.07
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=513219
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Ok... got a new internal batt sled for the 671 from marantz and it solved my power issues partially.
How? Where? Cost? Id like to have one just as a back up
http://store.d-mprodirect.com/377v064500.html
$28. Not cheap, for a little chunk of plastic... but it helped solve my power issues.
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so... still trying to work out my problems... but, is there a way to turn off the playback? i am wondering if that is what is causing the problem.
Did you ever find an answer to this? The playback speaker is nice @ home, but no good in the field... and I assume it uses extra battery power as well
Doug said you can't turn it off, just turn it all the way down.
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what kind of internal batts are you all using?
doug suggested duracell rechargeables, but i can't find any 2500 mAh ones?
would it be bad to use 2650s?
i had some powerex ones, but they were causing some recording issues so i got some energizer 2500s, but those still had some issues.
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^ greppson, are you talking to yourself again?
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looks like it, doesn't it?
:lol
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what kind of internal batts are you all using?
internal: i use energizer 2500 mAh. they came with the 671 when i bought them from the previous owner and have worked fine. wish i could tell you if the 2650's would work but i'd be giving unsure info.
external: BG 10-14-88 from batterygeeks. this thing is a fucking tank! i recorded mmw 2.21/22/23 with it and the charge indicator was still at full! kinda pricey but very well worth the money. would be excellent for festival type settings....
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lexar 8gb
54.95 after $50 mail in rebate.
http://www.adorama.com/ILXCF1338G.html?searchinfo=lexar&item_no=65
these will work fully as far as i understand it and recognize all 8 gigs in the 671s.
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i have an 8GB kingston elite pro 45x and it only recognizes it as 4 GB... so it isn't flawless for me, otherwise i wouldn't be buying a different card.
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all 8 GBs should be there. my transcend does the same thing. it won't show but 4 GB at a time, but it's all there.
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really?
what does it show after 4 hours/4 GBs have gone by?
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thanks for a better explanation.
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ah cool. thanks for the info. i thought that with certain brands of cards it would show the whole 8gb and other cards not.
so how do you all do splits?
16/44.1 no splits, although sometimes at the 2 hours mark, but that is rare that i do that.
24/48 at the 1 hr mark
24/96 never done, but i imagine at the 1 hr mark would be good.
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I hour marks. I always record 24/48.
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I have a Sound Devices MP2 on the way to run behind the MBHOs. Gonna run line in into the 671. Just wondering about the -20db cut on the 671. Should I leave it on or turn it off since I will only be using the A>D in the 671?
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I have a Sound Devices MP2 on the way to run behind the MBHOs. Gonna run line in into the 671. Just wondering about the -20db cut on the 671. Should I leave it on or turn it off since I will only be using the A>D in the 671?
its not in use when running line in.
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sweet! good to know that I don't have to worry about that switch when I decide to run the mp2.
thanks
+T
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Has anybody used the RB-1651 battery with their 671 instead of recharable AA's? It looks like the perfect setup with the 1651 backing up the external battery you should be good to roll for a long while? What do you think?
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I just use the "Wal-Mart" (aka DVD) battery with no problems, like these here:
http://tinyurl.com/6cq8pr (ebay link)
and some radioshack cables, and all is good for (at least, not run more than this before) 4.5 hours of record time
Bought one of these 3 unit deals, and the batteries seem to be just fine!
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I just use the "Wal-Mart" (aka DVD) battery with no problems, like these here:
http://tinyurl.com/6cq8pr (ebay link)
and some radioshack cables, and all is good for (at least, not run more than this before) 4.5 hours of record time
Bought one of these 3 unit deals, and the batteries seem to be just fine!
I have an external battery which gives me 4-5 hours. I am looking to get longer out of the on board power than the 2 hours I am currently getting from the 2500m AA's .
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I have an external battery which gives me 4-5 hours. I am looking to get longer out of the on board power than the 2 hours I am currently getting from the 2500m AA's .
I dont feel the $100 for the other battery is worth it when the externals can be had for (about) $8 each
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I dont feel the $100 for the other battery is worth it when the externals can be had for (about) $8 each
Please think about Mother Earth!
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Please think about Mother Earth!
Meaning?
So, buying a $100 battery is better for mother earth than a $10 one?
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Please think about Mother Earth!
Meaning?
So, buying a $100 battery is better for mother earth than a $10 one?
The suggestion was made to go all external batteries (rechargeable) rather than going with the internal from Marantz. I currently use an external and want to extend the range of the internals. If the expensive marantz will give me another 4.5 hours. I Should be good for 9-10 hours without a break. I have ordered one, and will run some tests and get back with the results.
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Please think about Mother Earth!
Meaning?
So, buying a $100 battery is better for mother earth than a $10 one?
The suggestion was made to go all external batteries (rechargeable) rather than going with the internal from Marantz. I currently use an external and want to extend the range of the internals. If the expensive marantz will give me another 4.5 hours. I Should be good for 9-10 hours without a break. I have ordered one, and will run some tests and get back with the results.
Sorry, I was more asking about the "earth" comment... I understand where you are coming from with the batteries both internal and external
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Well, I received the Marantz 1651 battery I ran some test with it and the ACM 671.
The first test I twice ran it with the light constantly on, connected to my MBH0603A/200 mics with a pair of 20’ cables at 24/48, With the phantom power on and got total run times of:
3:16:45 sec and 3:17:44
The next test was to run with the light on for only 20 minutes this extended the battery to:
3:39:44
I ran it without any light and only got:
3:40:39
I was surprised at this.
The final test I used as a reference. I put in 8 AA energizer 2500 battery freshly conditioned and Charged and got 2:55 with no light on.
I formatted the card after each test in my computer and used the same card a 4gb SanDisk.
My conclusion is the battery is convienet alteranative to recharable AA’s since the charger is the AC adapter, but probably not worth the money for most people. I will still use an external battery for most shows except the occasional hour or less show.
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+T for the info and time spent and money dispersed
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anyone know the setting to keep he WAV files at 2gb or less? Wanting to make the auto-split more OS friendly and FLAC friendly
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on the 671, you split by time, not gigs. at 24/48 that is roughly 2 hours. I always split at 1 hour.
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i need to go back into the menus, any suggestions for 24/98 spltting? idealy to keep files less than 2gb
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1 hour for 24/96
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thanks +T
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So... I'm not sure if you all remember this or not, but I was having some powering issues with my 671 last summer.
First off, I bought a new internal sled for it and that seemed to solve the problem I was having. For some reason, I think some of the internals were losing their "ground" and were thus discharging in an awkward way which caused the recording to have noise likes buzz an clipping inserted. The new sled definitely solved the problem.
The problem I then ran into was that the box kept telling me about 20-30 minutes into a show that the batteries were almost out and then it would shut off. This happened once back in October and then most recently about 2 weeks ago. I've come to the conclusion that it is NOT the batteries, but again an issue with the sled. I believe it is how the sled "sits" in the battery tray in relation to the orientation of the box. I use a Nova 5 bag and have the box sit vertical with the screen on top in the bag. When I do that, I have trouble with the box saying that the batteries are almost out of juice or just simply turning off before I notice the battery icon. I am 100% it is not the batts because when I do notice and fix it (open the batt tray, take out the sled, check the to make sure all the batts are in the same way and snuggly in the sled and then put it back in the tray and close it up and turn the box on), the batts continue to work fine. My guess is that the 671 actually needs to sit FLAT and horizontal rather than vertical. I think something about sitting vertical causes the sled to not be in the right place for all the batteries to be used rather than only 2-4 of them being used, thus causing the shutdown and low batt blinking icon on the display.
Has anyone else had this problem or noticed it? Is there some sort of "wedge" I need to create/use if the internals and the box vertically in my bag?
I am most likely going to switch to some 9v 6000 mAh or 5400 mAh external DVD batts anyways, but I did want to figure this out and put it out there to see if anyone else has had the same problem.
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I have had the same issue this summer with my PMD670, twice. The battery went from full to empty in about 10 min just over an hour into the set. I considered that their may have been a single rechargable AA that was bad, or not charged correctly, something like that. My deck sits at 45 degrees, not flat, and not standing on it's end as you are doing. I replaced the 2500 Energizers with 2650 Duracells, and ran for Jason Isbell last week, 2 hours straight through, and the battery indicated a full charge and the end!
I don't know what to think, but I don't like dealing with the risks of being suprised by a bad cell, so I am leaning towards a DVD external. One more time with battery issues, and the AAs are outa here.
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I've had it happen two times. That's two times too many. I don't expect this stuff to happen with expensive equipment. Really, I shouldn't have to "wedge" in something to fix it either. Ugh.
I'm already trying to watch for some external batts on ebay. I'm just trying to get at least 2 and if I find any extras I will gladly sell them to you all at whatever price I paid + shipping to you.
let me know if you all find any either.
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i have had mixed results with rechargeable AA's. so much that i went with external dvd batts. however, i got shoddy results with running phantom on an external dvd batt. once they start to lose their charge the voltage drops so fast the 671 dies prematurely.
also, i was running a ua5 with both my 671's and accidentally switched the power cables. the ua5 and the 671 use the same tips. however, the polarity is switched on the ua5. so, needless to say i sent the wrong polarity to my 671's (twice- :banging head:). when you do this a fuse pops and you can no longer run off external power (including AC).
so, moral of the story, be careful running off externals. fwiw, i have gone back to my dat days and run disposable AA's with far better(consistent) results.
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just buy the batterygeeks 10.14.88 and call it a day.
pricey, but so worth it! i've recorded up to 7.5 hours on it and it didn't even phase it! that was with the display light on too. maybe i'll test it soon to see just how long the battery can power it.
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it'd be nice if some current owners would try the other brands of 16gb cards available (a-data, ridata, transcend, pny) and see if it's a firmware issue or a compatibility problem with the sandisk card.
Ordered & received an AData 16gb card ( http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105550.0.html ), not looking good. First thing I did was format it on my PC, took it out, popped it in the 671- 'You need to format on PC' appears on the screen.
:(
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Ordered & received an AData 16gb card ( http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105550.0.html ), not looking good. First thing I did was format it on my PC, took it out, popped it in the 671- 'You need to format on PC' appears on the screen.
:(
No go on that card, been there, tried that... Marantz said not on the list of recommended cards, and that was all I got out of them
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just buy the batterygeeks 10.14.88 and call it a day.
I can not find the part number, any chance for a direct link?
My Wal-Mart batteries run it fine, FYI for others, I filled an 8gb card @ 24/96 the other night and still had 3 lights left on a 6000mah battery I bought from "the guy" (see previous posts) on eBay
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just buy the batterygeeks 10.14.88 and call it a day.
I can not find the part number, any chance for a direct link?
http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_p/10-14-88_batterygeek.htm
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Ordered & received an AData 16gb card ( http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105550.0.html ), not looking good. First thing I did was format it on my PC, took it out, popped it in the 671- 'You need to format on PC' appears on the screen.
:(
No go on that card, been there, tried that... Marantz said not on the list of recommended cards, and that was all I got out of them
Crap. Is it the brand or the size? Has anyone gotten a 16gig card to work in a 671? Thinking about returning it to get a couple 8 gigs.
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Has anyone gotten a 16gig card to work in a 671?
i tested a 16gb sandisk extreme iii card awhile back and was only able to record ~11.2gb worth of data onto it, which is consistent with the deck recognizing it as a 12gb card; not 16. i don't know if 12gb is indeed the space limitation of the 671 since i only tested the one card.
i know from experience that kingston (45x) 2, 4 and 8gb cards work fine in the deck, up to and including 24/96 bit/sample rates.
thanks, +t....I will just grab 2 8gb Kingstons.....
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http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_p/10-14-88_batterygeek.htm
No luck for me: he page cannot be found
All I see is this: http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_p/10-14-100_batterygeek.htm
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weird, it was there the other day, looks like they aren't stocking it anymore.
granted, all of their stock seems to be "out of stock" anyways...
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Also, anyone have any suggestions for ways to make the volume knob not so "loose"
What I mean by this, is that even the slightest movement hear the volume control seems to knock it slightly.
Luckily all 4 times this has happened in the last 2 weeks (8 shows) it was all during the openers.
Any ideas off hand?
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Also, anyone have any suggestions for ways to make the volume knob not so "loose"
What I mean by this, is that even the slightest movement hear the volume control seems to knock it slightly.
Luckily all 4 times this has happened in the last 2 weeks (8 shows) it was all during the openers.
Any ideas off hand?
Pull the rec (vol) knobs off? , make a shim (disk with center hole) out of cardboard/paper/plastic that slips over the post and now causes friction between the back of the knob and the unit?
digifish
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Pull the rec knobs off? , make a shim (disk with center hole) out of cardboard/paper/plastic that slips over the post and now causes friction between the back of the knob and the unit?
These are the volume controls, not the REC button.. the REC button locks fine with the key lock (thankfully)... the shim is an interesting idea... are the volume controls easy to get on and off?
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is there really anyway to "lock" in a certain record/volume level? when i shut my nove 5 bag the other day, it actually messed with my recording level and i just don't want that to happen again...
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is there really anyway to "lock" in a certain record/volume level? when i shut my nove 5 bag the other day, it actually messed with my recording level and i just don't want that to happen again...
nope. you, sir, need to be more careful. :P
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Jason- welcome to my world LOL
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duct tape...or better yet, gorrilla tape. that should work.
rich
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only problem is that I tweak the sound as the show goes on... tape coming off may only make the situation worse not better
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http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_p/10-14-88_batterygeek.htm
No luck for me: he page cannot be found
All I see is this: http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_p/10-14-100_batterygeek.htm
Yeah, it doesn't seem like they stock them anymore and I don't know anything about the 10-14-100 and how it compares or if it's compatible.
I will say that I tested the 10-14-88 the other day on my 483 > 671 and it recorded for something over 12 hours, with the 671 display lights on the whole time. I'll take it!
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FWIW, I have done 2 DMB shows with headliners and the light on the whole time on the wal-mart battery.... approx 8 hours of run time with 1 light remaining
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http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_p/10-14-88_batterygeek.htm
No luck for me: he page cannot be found
All I see is this: http://www.batterygeek.net/Portable_DVD_Player_Battery_p/10-14-100_batterygeek.htm
Yeah, it doesn't seem like they stock them anymore and I don't know anything about the 10-14-100 and how it compares or if it's compatible.
I will say that I tested the 10-14-88 the other day on my 483 > 671 and it recorded for something over 12 hours, with the 671 display lights on the whole time. I'll take it!
Just got off the phone with battery geeks, they say the 10-14-100 is the same batt as the 10-14-88, but with a little more juice. In that case this thing should power the 671 or a loooooooooong time! It better for 200 bucks, damn.
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Hi,
I have been using the 10-14-88 battery for about a year, and love it's reliability! It will run the 671 for at least 8 hours, with phantom power and the light on. It also recharges in only a few hours as well, so it would work fine for multi day events, such as festivals. Until 100% uncertainty can be eliminated from the internal battery compartment contact issue, I recommend it!!
Also....
If you go the internal route with the rechargable nimh batteries, I have simultaneously used an external pack of 8 batteries plugged into the ac jack. If the internal power fails, the external pack keeps the deck powered with nary a skip. A good insurance policy, but a minor pain in the butt.
Good luck!
:)
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I've also been running the battery geeks 10-14-88 since 2005 with no issues as stated above with phantom and light on for hours. Now running with the R-44. ;D
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Just ordered an ACM 671 from Doug, ;D Woo Hoo! So long team UA-5/JB3, I hardly knew ya! Been reading through these threads, but still wondering what the latest consensus is on the hot topics, ie:
Wal-Mart DVD Batts - I have 3 of the 9v 5400mah batts and would love to be able to use these. Im surprised at the varying results people have had with them. I guess Im going to try them at least, but will be sure to have internal AA nimh's for backup. Speaking of those, have we determined one brand/size that works best? Doug recommended Duracell 2850's, but all I can seem to find are 2650's. Also looking at the Powerex 2700s, and Energizer 2500's. Suggestions??? I'd love to see if this solution works before shelling out 200 bucks on the batterygeeks...
Compact Flash - Im thinking Lexar from what I've read here, and from what I've read the 8gb's work but will only show 4gb at a time. Is this still correct? Is there a card that shows all 8gb from the start? Does that even matter? Should I just get 4gb's? Also whats up with the speed? I've read here that the 45x & 60x cards work fine, but I see lots available at 133x and above. Is it necessary to get the higher speed? I don't plan on running above 24/48. Im thinking about trying one of these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/553911-REG/Lexar_CF8GB_80_708_8GB_Platinum_II_60x.html
Would love to hear you 671 user's input. Cant wait to get this thing and try it out with the 480's!
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WalMart batteries
8gb cards will typically work, and record, but not show proper remaining time
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I don't think any of them will show the full 8 GB. I use Transcend 8Gb 120X and SanDisk UltraII 4GB with no problems.
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Here is the deal on why you only get 4Gb chunks on cards for the 671 or any recorder that uses FAT32 for its file system. It is the limitation of the file system. FAT32 can use a maximum drive size of 32GB and a maximum file size of 4GB. This is one of the reasons Microsoft started using NTSF instead FAT32.
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Received the 671 over the weekend, PSYCHED! Ordered a couple SanDisk UltraII 4GB cards to start, thanks for the tip leehookem!
I was however surprised to see no identification of the ACM mod on the box. It has the "performance enhanced" Oade sticker, but I guess I was expecting something on the bottom along the lines of the UA-5's, have which list the mod flavor written on the white UPC label... I guess I just have to trust Doug on this one.
Now to find a show to record!
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my acm has same sticker. youre good.
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FWIW, mine has a sticker on the top (where the settings buttons are)
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Finally get to test this thing out tomorrow night! I'll be sure to post how it goes...
I know to run the -20db pad, but is there anything else I need to know regarding levels? I assume I can push them up to around -2db without clipping/brickwalling? Will be running 24/48 so I know I don't need to push it, but I like the levels HOT so...
PSYCHED!
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run hot. it clips pretty gracefully if you go a bit over. remember the "knob" is an attenuator, not adding gain. so, you can run it wideopen if needed.
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Finally get to test this thing out tomorrow night! I'll be sure to post how it goes...
I know to run the -20db pad, but is there anything else I need to know regarding levels? I assume I can push them up to around -2db without clipping/brickwalling? Will be running 24/48 so I know I don't need to push it, but I like the levels HOT so...
PSYCHED!
Ran the 671 for the first time on Halloween, WOW is this thing nice! So easy to use, great level meters, no probs whatsoever. A few items of note:
• Im running the BatteryGeek 10-14-100 externally. It came with a ton of tips, one of which fits the 671 perfectly. Ran for 3 hours and still showed full power capacity!
• I'm running Duracell 2650 NiMH Batts internally with NO problems. Sled fits perfectly, no power issues.
• Using SanDisc Ultra II 4GB Cards with no issues at all, works great @ 24/48
• Regarding levels, I've read about some folks running out of gain. Not a problem for me, I was peaking around -2db with the gain turned up only half way, of course with the -20db pad engaged
Recording here if your interested:
http://www.archive.org/details/pg2008-10-31.akg481.flac16
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Does anyone happen to have the URLs for the first three parts of this thread handy? I want to read everything people have posted...
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I want to find what battery solutions people have had. Keeping up with a few dozen AA rechargeables and recharging them between back-to-back shows is a pain.
The last two times I was taping I wound up getting the peaks clipped after about 40 minutes on a set of batteries. The clipped peaks are at about -4 dB, so I don't think it's the levels I'm setting; I'm assuming I was just running low on power for the preamps at that point.
FWIW, I was recording 24/96 using phantom power (RodeNT5 pair) using alkalines internally only. Swapped in new batteries after 60 minutes. Previously my tests showed me getting about 80 minutes out of a set of internal batteries. Normally I use a fresh set of alkalines internally and self-made packs of AA NiMHs externally, but didn't these times.
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Get a "wal-mart" DVD battery, will run the deck for 8 hours or more (never tried past 2 DMB shows both with openers).
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Got to experiment with the PMD-671/AKG480 combo @ Bear Creek last month and LOVE the results! Heres the thread over on team AKG with archive links:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,108255.msg1527068.html#msg1527068
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hey guys
on the verge of joining the team. thought i would bump this thread
how many guys out there still running this?
any new battery solutions out there? im trying to think ahead for festival season, looking for something with really high AH rating
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i still run 2. i power them with energizer AA's. i dont trust rechargeable AA's.and didnt care for the dvd batteries. you can almost get 2 shows with one set, but its cutting it close. so, i use them once and toss them in a rubbermaid for my remotes down the road.
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If you put in regular AA batteries, and power the deck externally from a DVD battery, does it switch over seamlessly when the DVD battery dies? That would be slick.
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If you put in regular AA batteries, and power the deck externally from a DVD battery, does it switch over seamlessly when the DVD battery dies? That would be slick.
it does on the 660.
i would imagine the same for the 671
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That is sick. THat means with my hot swappable V3 cable, I can probably run for easily 6-7 hours without stopping. I'm going to try to test this tonight.
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I still run the ACM flavor and I spent the money for the Marantz battery makes a nice small package and charges with the power plug. I have gotten 3+ hours, but usually have power and I lot stuff I tape is less than 1 hour so it works out. I will probably pick up an external battery for longer shows. It does switch over seamlessly as once someone knocked the ac cord out of the deck and it kept rolling.
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i cant decide wether to get a dvd batt setup with a hot swappable cable, or spend the extra few bucks and get the batterygeek 10-14-100
i am almost leaning towards a bunch of dvd batts. im gonna be doing at least 2 festies, maybe 3
anyone have any other thoughts on extended run times? id rather not have to worry bout charging anything up the whole time
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well guys, havent been any shows i could make it to yet. but ive been messing with it at home. nice unit!
got nickspicks to make me a power cable to use 2 of the wally world batts, and be hot swappeable.
still havent got mics. anyone got any sources with akg 391/93 > ACM 671? or ADk TL > ACM 671?
ive got the chance to buy a matched set of ADK TL's with the upgraded capsules for an incredible price, but not sure if i can swing it right now
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oh and. ive been shopping around for some more CF cards. i think il stick with the Sandisc Ultra !! i got with the unit
i know i have read it around here somewhere before, but what is the size limit on CF cards that work?
i remember reading someone had issues with some 8gb cards???
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I use the Transcend 8GB cards. 120X no issues at 24/48
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oh and. ive been shopping around for some more CF cards. i think il stick with the Sandisc Ultra !! i got with the unit
i know i have read it around here somewhere before, but what is the size limit on CF cards that work?
i remember reading someone had issues with some 8gb cards???
The only problem with 8gb cards is the most it will see is 4gb, so it will show only 4 hours at 24/48, but it splits seamlessly so it is not a problem. I ordered one of the dvd batteries here last week http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,117631.165.html
I'll let you know how it turns out
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so it only sees 4gb, but it will actually fill the card to the full 8gb as it splits during recording?
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That is correct. Sometimes it freaks me out after recording 1st set or opening act I'll look and it shows 4 hours of space.
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very cool. thats just what i wanted to know. the pirce of cards is amazing. not much diff in 4gb over 8gb anymore
anyone used anything over 8gb
Thanks for the help, virtual +T :)
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I'd love a link to some cheap 8 gig cards that work!
/lazy
;D
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ive been thinking of grabbing some sandisc ultra II 8gb cards on ebay for like 33 bucks
Lee usues the transcend 8gb cards and they are fine too
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Hi there,
I'm new to this forum, found your postings very interesting, and would like
to add some observations I made using my stock 671.
It writes to a 4gb Lexar 80X, which gets freshly formatted before each session.
Usually, I run it at 24/96 with a stereo pair of DPA 4006. Both phantom power and display
are on all the time. With both DPA and Marantz attenuators off, volume is usually set
to 2-3 in my recordings.
The rechargeable battery provided by Marantz went down after less than 60 min
a couple of times. I don't think it was due to a battery fault, or because of a problem
with the sledge. It seems to me that the built-in charging circuit is not reliable. Often the red light goes
out after a very short charging time. But when the recorder is switched on and off, the red
light comes on again, and charging continues for another hour or so.
To be really on the safe side, I took a motorcycle battery and connected it to the unit using the
sledge as a plug. Now power is stable, but clipping still occurs.
Just as some of you described it, it happens at -4/-3dB. Never at home, when recording single
instruments or voices, but frequently with complex signals from orchestras and choirs.
Perhaps the meter is just not good enough. Or the built-in pres are to blame. I would be very grateful
for any ideas (since I'm in Germany, getting Oade mods is not an option).
I'm planning to get a Mini-MP and link it to the 671s line input. If this does not help, I may
take a look at the MR-1000.
Cheers,
ClassicFan
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That does not seem right on the battery I have the marantz RB1641 Ni-Mh and get 2.5 -3 hours without an issue. I am running AKG480's phantom on. If you have the same marantz battery and not getting at least close to that then you may have a bad battery.
As far as clipping is concerned before I got the ACM mod I ran a V2 in front going line in, any good preamp should solve the problem.
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Well, I think the battery wasn't fully charged.
Using a V2 sounds like a good idea. The V3 would even allow
to go in digitally. Would that make sense?
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re: clipping
Are you running with the -20db pad engaged? I always used it when recording anything amplified, never brickwalled...
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how many of you guys are running the marantz internal batteries? do you prefer it over running internal AA's?
how many others have had charging issues like ClassicFan stated?
if it were reliable, it would seem to be a little easier to just charge it in the unit and not have to mess with individual AA's out of the sled and into another charger.
im only looking into it for backup power. i will be running the wally world batts on a hot swappable cable and shouldnt need the internals at all. just as a backup
got me a nice cable made by Nickspicks to solve my power needs. Gonna scoop up a bunch of the cheap wally world batts on ebay and be set for an entire festival
EDit: to add- i see people using the sandisc ultraII cf cards. there wouldnt be any issue with stepping up to a Extreme III would there . the sandisc ultra II is 12mb/s and the Extreme III is 30 mb/s
im a noob when it comes to CF recording
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as wasteful as it sounds, i just buy 8 aa duracells. run them for a show, xfer, and put them up for remotes and shit later on. i have TONS! but i have 2 nephews that blow through them.
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doesnt really sound wastefull. alot of stuff will run ages our dead AA's from gear
i was thinking about just picking up a set of nimh AA's locally
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I went the marantz internal because I wasn't getting consistent results with AA's and frankly most of the things I tape I have access to ac power or they are less than 2 hours. I have picked up a wally DVD battery and will run some test this week if I get some time.
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right on. i just got a new cable from nickspicks to run 2 wally world batts at once. as soon as my batts come in i will be doing a ton of testing getting ready for summercamp.
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Does anyone know the largest size FlashCard that the 671 will record successfuly with. I am doing extensive runs in the woods and need as large as possible. Thanks, Stan
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Dunno if you ever got your info stancourtney, but for a bit of info and opinion:
I run 8GB cards. This gives me nearly 4 hours per card at 24/96. I usually use 2 or 3 cards for a single concert or 'all night singing' and move to the next card at breaks or after I've recorded 2-3 hours 'cause I'm paranoid about card failure. Also, I tend to start rolling earlier than other folks just to make sure I get any unexpected things recorded.
If you're recording long, unattended sessions I'd expect the 2 GB file limit would be a problem before card size.
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Thanks for the reply. I do long term nature recording so length of time is very important.
Stab
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Solid State Sound says they have 16 GB and
32 GB flash cards which are "approved" for
use with the PMD671.
On the other hand, the firmware update announced
in May 2009 is supposed to support cards up to
8 GB. You have to send your PMD671 in to Marantz
for the upgrade.
http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?FolderID=3689&Tab=FAQ
???
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Anyone happen to know why they require you to send it in?
My only guess is that the FW isn't 'dual-bank', i.e. with a permanent register and a flashable register, and they want to ensure that there are no update failures caused by, say, power interruption.
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i run mostly 8gb cards too, a few 4s here and there for festivals and such
what does the update do? allow the 671 to accurately say how much time is left on a card bigger than 4gb is all i can think it would be. not really an issue for me, but i could see that being really handy for you doing extensive recording times. ive only had one occasion where the show ran constant for longer than that, and i had borrowed an R44 so i wasnt running the 671
im almost thinking of ditching mine. i love the sound of the acm mod, but i really dislike the indiviual gain adjustment hassle in the dark at a rough show sometimes. ive got the itch for 4ch too, so its time to move on fairly soon i think
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Anyone happen to know why they require you to send it in?
My only guess is that the FW isn't 'dual-bank', i.e. with a permanent register and a flashable register, and they want to ensure that there are no update failures caused by, say, power interruption.
I contacted them this morning asking about the upgrade and they sent it to me, said I could do it myself ! I will wait until I get back from JamCruise.
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Can any 671 users tell me how to pan the channels? is it automatic? or is there a 'stereo' setting?
thank you
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Can any 671 users tell me how to pan the channels? is it automatic? or is there a 'stereo' setting?
thank you
I answered you on the other thread you started with the same question. You can set mono or stereo in the menu setting on the recorder, which is clearly explained in the 671 user manual. You can pan/swap/gain adjust, whatever using any audio editor.
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Can any 671 users tell me how to pan the channels? is it automatic? or is there a 'stereo' setting?
thank you
I answered you on the other thread you started with the same question. You can set mono or stereo in the menu setting on the recorder, which is clearly explained in the 671 user manual. You can pan/swap/gain adjust, whatever using any audio editor.
thanks, i just commented in the other thread.
please disregard the last few posts. I started a new topic.