Topic: Matrix on a mac....done it?

[John Kelly]

I'm looking for some help on how to do a matrix on my iBook.  I've never attempted one before, so I'm not sure what software to use.  Obviously I'd need a multi-track software, but the only one I know of is DP4 (which I do have access to).  Is this what I should use for a matrix, or is something better?

[scb]

i used to use pro tools 3.4 in os 9 and i've used deck 3.5 in os x

[nic]

I'm looking for some help on how to do a matrix on my iBook.  I've never attempted one before, so I'm not sure what software to use.  Obviously I'd need a multi-track software, but the only one I know of is DP4 (which I do have access to).  Is this what I should use for a matrix, or is something better?

DP4 will work but the big question is will the Firewire 410 send 4 seperate channels or a mixed-down stereo channel to the computer.
you need the individual channels

[John Kelly]

This is a post-show matrix - I'll worry about field matrix recordings later.  

And thanks Scott, I'll check out Deck.

[nic]

post-show.... what are the 2 sources? some s/pdif clocks are horrible with their drift(see sony dats!)

[John Kelly]

mc012s > fw410 > iBook
sbd (monitor mix) > mbox > iBook

Two different iBooks...

[MattD]

As the one who originally pushed you to use DP for more than 2-track recording, I would agree with trying something else. DP is not designed around editing, and I've found it to be very difficult to do post-show anything with that software, even with the manual by my side.

[John Kelly]

How come powerful software is never easy to learn???  Deck is kinda confusing me on some of the basic functions...

[nic]

DP is not designed around editing, and I've found it to be very difficult to do post-show anything with that software, even with the manual by my side.

AMEN!!
I use DP3 for recording/mixing, then bounce/export to wav to do my editing within Soundforge

[scb]

>>Deck is kinda confusing me on some of the basic functions...<<

like what?  catch me on IM later.  though i realize you may not know my IM.  in that case, send me an email with yours if you want...

[joeshambro]

Actually.. if you've got an MBox, record the tracks in Protools, then when you're done with the tracks coming in from 410, port them over to the Protools rig with the "import audio to track".  Then just nudge them and use the delay plugins to match things up, then bounce to 2-track... that'd be a way to go about it that works fairly well.

[John Kelly]

Nah, MBox isn't mine.  Recorded by someone else and I snagged the audio files.

So I did the best I could, here's a sample from it.  I'd appreciate it if anyone could listen and tell me if I messed up.

http://www.countrymonkee.org/john/bron-y-aur-matrix.mp3

[Chris K]

it has a nice sense of depth....i know this doesn't help much, but thought i'd chime in.

on the clapping parts you can really hear the delay...not sure what you are striving for...sounds ok to me but if you are trying to tighten it up, you will need to play with the delay a little more

[Mic D]

Where can I get Deck for OS X?

[John Kelly]

I'm pretty sure the "delay" you hear in the clapping is the two guys on stage clapping and then the crowd clapping, who clearly didn't have any friggin rhythm...

[mfh2014]

FWIW....i've pulled 4 channels on the FW410 succesfully...2 analog mic in and 2 coax S/PDIF in...

matt

[John Kelly]

Have you ever tried the xlr ins and the 1/4" ins at the same time?  I haven't had the chance to test that yet...

[Chris K]

I'm pretty sure the "delay" you hear in the clapping is the two guys on stage clapping and then the crowd clapping, who clearly didn't have any friggin rhythm...

uh...yeah...that could explain it too..

again i like the sense of depth....if it were me i would be satisfied, but without having a starting point to reference, i guess that really doesn't mean much

[dklein]

Sounds great John.  

The easiest place to check your delay is on straight voice or some good cymbal crashes.  When you're out by more than 5ms or so, you get a sort of swishy, phasey sound.  With headphones on, voices tend to drift around a bit (the location of the voice that is).  

If you're having trouble with my description, just throw the 2 sources out by 10ms and then find a spot with somebody talking - for whatever reason the human voice really shows the effect.

I think I hear a tiny bit of that but not much to worry about.  Again, good job!