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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2014, 12:50:49 PM »
The HD-P2 also only has a firewire port

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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2014, 05:05:34 PM »
Every recording I've ever made with the 744T has been recorded both on the internal HDD and CF card.  I've always taken the CF card and plugged it into a cheap (but seemingly reliable) CF reader and then dumped the files to my laptop via USB.  I typically keep the raw files on the 744T HDD until I've copied the raw wavs to external HDDs and mastered/tracked the files.

Are some of you suggesting that a CF or other card reader can be unreliable and introduce errors?   I've never noticed anything when doing so and any issues (e.g., static, channel drops, etc) I've noticed with files coming from the CF card were also on the files on the HDD clearly an indication that the CF and/or reader were not the issue.

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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2014, 07:37:43 PM »
Some cheaper CF card readers can have issues reading cards, such as VERY slow or compatibility issues - most will work fine though
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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2017, 05:16:26 PM »
I would like to know if anyone had purchased and used an adaptive firewire cable (744T > USB for PC) or one of those inexpensive adapters I've seen on ebay.  I spoke to someone at Sound Devices, and they didn't know about them, but said it couldn't hurt to try.  Transferring from HD > CF and then to the computer is a pain in the ass that I'd like to avoid.
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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2017, 09:03:32 PM »
I would like to know if anyone had purchased and used an adaptive firewire cable (744T > USB for PC) or one of those inexpensive adapters I've seen on ebay.  I spoke to someone at Sound Devices, and they didn't know about them, but said it couldn't hurt to try.  Transferring from HD > CF and then to the computer is a pain in the ass that I'd like to avoid.
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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2017, 09:03:46 AM »
Well then, that sums that up!  Soooooo, what's a cost efficient alternative?
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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2017, 07:12:43 PM »
Transferring from HD > CF and then to the computer is a pain in the ass that I'd like to avoid.

I'm all for efficiency, but I think you're overestimating things. 99% of the time you will be recording to the Internal HDD + CF slot. Transferring is as simple as using a CF card reader. Exactly twice I have had to copy from HD > CF and it takes five minutes of tinkering to figure out the process... less time than you will ever spend trying to get Firewire working successfully.

Firewire is a dead format and google is littered with 7xx + firewire nightmares. No joke, just look for yourself. It has been known to fry equipment when hot swapped and is plagued with other problems.


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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2017, 07:19:17 PM »
You make a good, and convincing, argument.  The CF transfer isn't an issue for me, I actually have a slot in my computer.  It's when I need to transfer from the HD that I was concerned about.  I suppose it really isn't that big of a deal to go from the HD > CF > computer if need be.  I'd rather not fry anything that I can't afford to replace or repair  :really_sucks:
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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2017, 07:29:16 PM »
You make a good, and convincing, argument.  The CF transfer isn't an issue for me, I actually have a slot in my computer.  It's when I need to transfer from the HD that I was concerned about.  I suppose it really isn't that big of a deal to go from the HD > CF > computer if need be.  I'd rather not fry anything that I can't afford to replace or repair  :really_sucks:

Totally.

Here's the tech note for how to copy specific files. In a nutshell, you set a "Copy Flag" for the tracks you want and once mastered it's pretty speedy. Under the File Copy menu, there's also the option to copy "Last 24 Hours" or "Copy all Tracks," both of which are easier if you don't want to flag individual tracks.

https://www.sounddevices.com/tech-notes/copying-individual-files-between-drives-with-7-series-recorders

Again... I've used this exactly twice in the 3 years I've owned this deck. I usually just google this help doc and work it out on-the-fly as it's not something I do often enough to remember.

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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2017, 09:00:51 PM »
Transferring from HD > CF and then to the computer is a pain in the ass that I'd like to avoid.
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Firewire is a dead format and google is littered with 7xx + firewire nightmares. No joke, just look for yourself. It has been known to fry equipment when hot swapped and is plagued with other problems.

If you do use Firewire, it's supposed to be hot swappable, but I will tell you that it's not generally stable until you reboot. Maybe even reboot twice if it's a configuration change.  :bawling:
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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2017, 09:17:42 PM »
At least on OSX, I've always found FireWire to be excellent, and I remember being an early adopter of the format with a CD-R Drive I bought along with my Titanium Powerbook g4 in the summer of 2001. In the Past 16 years it's been *much* more stable than USB.

With the introduction of USB-C, it seems that even Apple is no longer supporting FW, though in theory you can use a Thunderbolt 3 compliant USB-C > Thunderbolt 2 adaptor in conjunction with a Thunderbolt 2> FW 800 adaptor and a 800>400 cable.

I haven't tried it myself, not owning a 7 series recorder, but I'd be very surprised if the above didn't work perfectly on a modern Macintosh. I bet transfer speeds would be similar to USB-2.
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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2017, 07:58:25 AM »
I've been using a Focusrite FireWire audio interface on my PCs for years now, and it's extremely solid, but it did require one adaptation: I found through some research (and experience) that the FW chips built into motherboards are not always the best, and that you get much better performance using a separate card, specifically one with a Texas Instruments chipset

The small additional cost made all of the difference.  You get an entire system bus dedicated to your audio interface, as opposed to being on USB which is being shared with dozens of other things.

The big negative of FW is that it really is not hot-swappable.  The instructions I got from Focusrite were to completely power down the system when plugging / unplugging the interface.
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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2017, 10:36:43 AM »
The least expensive option is to use a USB compact flash reader.  IMO, also the safest since there is no FW cable to come unplugged and potentially fry something. 


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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2017, 10:44:26 PM »
The least expensive option is to use a USB compact flash reader.  IMO, also the safest since there is no FW cable to come unplugged and potentially fry something.

That's fine for transferring data from a CF Card. But OP also uses the HD drive in his recorder. SD made the 7-series to function as HD drives over firewire, which was the best way to transfer files from the HD to a computer.
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Re: Firewire to USB adaptor cable to connect 744T to PC
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2017, 10:16:15 AM »
The problem is today's laptops don't have fw ports or card slots for FW cards like they did 10 years ago.  Its USB and a SD card slot if you're lucky. USB uses a different protocol than FW so its not easily adaptable, either from what I've read. 

FW cards themselves can also be problematic as voltronic mentioned.  My old laptops fw port didn't work with my focusrite.  Had to buy a card with a Texas instruments chipset. 

Card readers are pretty handy if you're dealing with sd, micro SD, and cf cards which many of us are. 

 

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