Topic: Hat mounted cardioids DIN/DINA-ish or ORTF-ish

[fandelive]

Hi,

I mainly do stack taping with a pair of hat mounted cardioids (AB-ish config - mics near temples).

I'm looking to improve my sound and especially the stereo imaging of my recordings. I'd like to get rid of that thinny feel.

I use a pair of MM-HLSC-1's (Sennheiser MKE-40 caps) and think they are great.
I was thinking about upgrading at some point, but I want to stay with cardioids as omnis tend to pick up way too much crowd noise for my tastes.
A significant upgrade would be to buy Schoeps but they are too expensive for me right now.

So I'd like to have some suggestions and advices.

Would a hat mounted DIN/DINA-ish or ORTF-ish config be relevant regarding my mics and my actual AB-ish technique ?
Would stack taping still be the best spot option then ?

Please PM me with pics if you have some
Many thanks,
-fandelive

[Scooter123]

The "thinny" or "tinny" sound you are hearing is due to the microphones.  I'm not judging the mikes (as to whether they are actually "tinny") because I've never owned yours,

But I will say that every mike has its own sound or "flavor."

I don't think you can improve the richness of the sound significantly by pointing the mikes in a different direction, especially if you are really close to the stacks.

[daspyknows]

Save your nickles and dimes for those Schoeps.  You will be happy you did.

[goodcooker]

I run a very "hattable" AKG setup that rivals other European microphones at a fraction of the cost. My AKG CK1X > Tinybox and all associated cabling was $700USD. I understand the Tinybox is not available new anymore.

Every mic has it's own sound and if you want Schoeps that's what you should get but don't forget active options from Neumann and AKG, especially now that custom active setups are available from TS vendors. They can get you comparable quality for considerably less coin....

I don't think changing the angle of your mics is going to give you any change in frequency response.

[daspyknows]

I run a very "hattable" AKG setup that rivals other European microphones at a fraction of the cost. My AKG CK1X > Tinybox and all associated cabling was $700USD. I understand the Tinybox is not available new anymore.

Every mic has it's own sound and if you want Schoeps that's what you should get but don't forget active options from Neumann and AKG, especially now that custom active setups are available from TS vendors. They can get you comparable quality for considerably less coin....

I don't think changing the angle of your mics is going to give you any change in frequency response.

That is true.  Personally I love the Schoeps sound but Nick is building NBox's that run AKG and Neumann and would be a lower cost upgrade.  Still requires saving those nickels and dimes, just need a smaller pile.

[nulldogmas]

I agree on the "better mics sound better" point, but I'm curious as well if angling head-mounted cardioids would help with stereo imaging. Isn't this the point where Gutbucket should show up to school us all with a detailed explanation and some color-coded charts?

[daspyknows]

stack taping and stereo?  Maybe I'm dense but is that even possible?

[acidjack]

The "thinny" or "tinny" sound you are hearing is due to the microphones.  I'm not judging the mikes (as to whether they are actually "tinny") because I've never owned yours,

But I will say that every mike has its own sound or "flavor."

I don't think you can improve the richness of the sound significantly by pointing the mikes in a different direction, especially if you are really close to the stacks.

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