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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2013, 09:11:33 PM »
It is surprisingly simple and results in a show that flows better - who needs the crowd noise?

I hear Neil Young's next Archives project is going to be a 4-disc set of nothing but crowd noise.

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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2013, 12:16:35 PM »
Personally I always track the crowd encore call as a separate track, and I always leave it because otherwise (IMO anyhow) without it you don't have the full concert experience.

Agreed, I just leave it intact to the whole concert is included start to finish. In the encore breaks I have captured some hilarious crowd banter which often brings a smile to my face and reminds me of the shows I was attending.

It is easy enough to skip over if people don't want to listen to it.

^^my vote^^

^^ me too ^^ ...but it depends on the show.  sometimes the crowd noise during the encore break is not good listening (i.e. extremely loud whistling and/or clapping that is just abrassive on the ear) so i chop it out altogether and just fade from the last song of the set into the encore.  i've also tracked the encore break separately, but more often just leave whatever portion of the encore break that sounds good and keep it attached to the last track of the main set.  i think it just comes down to preference.  there's no wrong answer in my opinion.  as long as all the music is there that's all i really care about. 

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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2014, 02:14:31 PM »
Well, I'll try the montage next time.  Easier is better for me.  ;D

Okay, so I guess someone needs to explain how I get the track saved out of the montage.  It works as described (crossfading after the deleted portion removed), but now the montage sees it as three clips and I can't see how to get a new version of the WAV file saved.
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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2014, 03:07:02 PM »
Great point. Plus if it's tracked separately, you can make a montage of various crowd noises from all kinds of shows and have a trivia game: match the crowd to the band.

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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2014, 10:35:34 PM »
Thanks for the info, Jon.  I'll give it a shot on the next show I master.  I used my original technique on today's show.

It seems to me that I still have to figure out how best to utilize montage for editing.  It didn't make much sense to me today and I ended up editing (fades, levels) the show in Wavelab as I normally do.
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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2014, 05:18:57 AM »
I'm not in front of a PC with Wavelab on it at the moment but I think all you need to do is click "render as" or "export as" from (I think) the File menu.

I never had to put any track or CD markers in, unless I was actually preparing an audio CD/DVD.
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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2014, 11:14:58 AM »
The markers are created by Wavelab when I delete the encore crowd noise.  If I do a render as, I doesn't do all the clips, just one of them.  As Jon said, I think I need to delete the markers.
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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2014, 11:20:22 AM »
thanks for the method, I'll try it a little more, myself. There's a recent show on LMA of Acid Mother Temple that has major crowd noise issues. I might try to do it to that one, since the band was playing really well, but the taper did like no edits at all ???

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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2014, 03:21:57 PM »
The markers are created by Wavelab when I delete the encore crowd noise.  If I do a render as, I doesn't do all the clips, just one of them.  As Jon said, I think I need to delete the markers.

Weird, I don't remember having to do that but perhaps things differ in different versions of WL. Or maybe there are some preferences I changed at some point. I'll have to dig out my old laptop and revisit my workflow.
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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2014, 11:17:42 AM »
Personally I always track the crowd encore call as a separate track, and I always leave it because otherwise (IMO anyhow) without it you don't have the full concert experience.

Agreed, I just leave it intact to the whole concert is included start to finish. In the encore breaks I have captured some hilarious crowd banter which often brings a smile to my face and reminds me of the shows I was attending.

It is easy enough to skip over if people don't want to listen to it.

^^my vote^^

I was thinking about this comment recently and not sure I agree with the "you don't have the full concert experience" comment.  If you really believe this, you should leave the recording running during the 30-45 min. set break and include that, too.  Sorry, but it doesn't hold water that the 5 minute encore break is essential to the "full concert experience."   I don't recall seeing a single recording where someone included the set break.
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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2014, 02:09:51 PM »
Why would you think set break was part of the concert?  If you're going to think that you might as well start recording the minute you leave home.  Or maybe the minute you buy the ticket.  ;D

I don't think anyone (well, maybe other than you) would disagree that the encore break was part of the concert.


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Re: Deleting encore crowd noise and cross-fading
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2014, 06:50:40 PM »
I always keep the encore break.  I also keep the after show "walk to the car" part for my own OCD reasons.    You catch a lot of comments from people about the show or just random stuff.   

 

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