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Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« on: August 25, 2014, 08:21:17 PM »
If I'm using a 3ft omni bar and want to keep my mics dry what can I do? I looked at the rycote duck but that's to expensive. Anyone got a method that works well to keep the mics dry?

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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 09:36:37 PM »
Two umbrellas?
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 10:05:57 PM »
Anyone remember the shot that Grace Design posted a few years back where they were running their 5-channel rig at the board? The image showed each mic with its own miniature umbrella. I scanned their background images from their site, but it doesn't appear to be there anymore. They looked pretty neat, so I decided to email them about it but never got a response. My searches for miniature umbrellas has fallen short, unfortunately, and generally lends me nothing more than options for one's doll collection. Even some of those are quite spendy.
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 10:08:43 PM »
Two umbrellas?

To clunky and would be a bit of a sail...
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 10:10:01 PM »
Anyone remember the shot that Grace Design posted a few years back where they were running their 5-channel rig at the board? The image showed each mic with its own miniature umbrella. I scanned their background images from their site, but it doesn't appear to be there anymore. They looked pretty neat, so I decided to email them about it but never got a response. My searches for miniature umbrellas has fallen short, unfortunately, and generally lends me nothing more than options for one's doll collection. Even some of those are quite spendy.


I think I have seen that photo, that would be an interesting thing to try to make.
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 10:10:53 PM »
Buy two umbrellas from Ted. They're about 23" in diameter. You'd need a 4' bar though
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 10:22:25 PM »
Buy two umbrellas from Ted. They're about 23" in diameter. You'd need a 4' bar though

I have two already just the main problem is controlling that much wind with that much fabric to catch wind, plus all the weight doesn't sound like a good choice to me. I just don't want to have my stand swaying or even tipping possibly.


I have no idea where to find tiny umbrellas like that, if anyone can find them I can cut them and modify probably.
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2014, 12:03:25 AM »
Anyone remember the shot that Grace Design posted a few years back where they were running their 5-channel rig at the board? The image showed each mic with its own miniature umbrella. I scanned their background images from their site, but it doesn't appear to be there anymore. They looked pretty neat, so I decided to email them about it but never got a response. My searches for miniature umbrellas has fallen short, unfortunately, and generally lends me nothing more than options for one's doll collection. Even some of those are quite spendy.

best image I could find with a quick search of ts is http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=124531.msg1663673#msg1663673

these small umbrellas look like the best alternative to the Rycote duck; hope someone can find a source for them

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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2014, 12:34:28 AM »
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2014, 09:17:35 AM »
^ That's it. Thanks for hunting it down. I resent my email to GD from last year. I'll let you guys know if I hear anything.
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2014, 10:06:12 AM »


Closer view.  Serious little umbrellas.

I've used finger cots over the mics and xlr connection.  Protecting the mics regardless of the sonic impact was my goal.  It was completely water-tight as long as the capsule remains higher than the opening and the open end is tightly secured around the mic cable drip-loop.  I expected major muffling from the latex, but that wasn't the case.  However, rain impacting the windscreens over the finger-cots sounded like anechoic bombs and made those recordings more or less unlistenable.  I've avoided the rain well enough to not have needed to resort to that again, but still have the box'o'cots in my traveling recording junk box.

Before that I once used un-lubed condom ends over the wide spaced DPA 4061's on the TV antenna at a fest, same problem with super-loud rain drops hitting the microphones that time too.  While away from the section the antenna arms were lowered by a FOH guy at the request of a non-taping band manager just before it rained again, hard.  The rain ran straight down the arms and filled up the condom ends with water.  I returned and was horrified to find the little DPAs suspended in small water balloons, but unbelievably they never stopped working.  I did the DPA lavaliere distilled water rinse and packed them in desiccant over night to be safe and they never had a problem. 

So something like that works, but only if the opening is both well secured and kept lower than the microphone!  After that I came across the box of finger cots at the dollar store and picked them up since they are microphone sized, and an entire box of 30 of them or something cost a dollar.  I keep those on hand now only for larger microphones. I don't worry about the 4061 pair I use outdoors, which are used and from ebay anyway. If it looks like rain, I point them downwards so the grids won't fill with water if the windscreens saturate.  Same pair in use for about 4 years now without problems.
 
Small Grace-sized under-padded velour-topped mini umbrellas would be best with regards to minimizing rain noise.
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2014, 08:33:26 AM »
don't run splits in the rain or use two stands  ;D
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2014, 01:41:34 PM »
I recall some people saying they'd put each mic in an un-lubed condom before, but I've always gone natural, so I can't say personally if it offers adequate protection.  Statistics say they're 98% effective though.
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Re: Alternative to umbrella for omni split
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2014, 04:13:01 PM »
another method - clamp to someone with a 'brelly and run your stand with another omni at same height. I have seen many a taper use this at the festy scenes.
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