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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2015, 12:34:51 PM »
Was just looking at this unit.  Drooling as well.  Hmmm I could sell my MixPre-D, SD 552, Chapman Stick and a few other instruments and maybe I can purchase one.....still drooling!

Look for used 663's and 664's hitting eBay, Gotham, Trew and other sources for auctions and or consignments.  When the 663 came out the 552's flooded the used markets and at decent prices.  makes me wonder if they will eventually discontinue the 552?
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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 12:43:44 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 12:46:51 PM »
I almost skipped over the email since I thought that it was "just a mixer" and clicked on it for giggles.  Holy crap!  Color me curious.
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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 12:55:45 PM »
Video made me laugh at first...loved the guy sweating bullets! 

Nice upgrade from the 663/664, although I do not need all the channels offered.   BTW, I noticed that the 552's are selling for more money new than the 663? of which I find odd. 

I give a new SD product a 6 month + wait on what bug/fixes will be linked to this unit, but it looks damn good. 663 seems to have had and still has numerous issues and firmware updates. 

Looking forward to checking this out at Summer NAMM in Nashville!
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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 12:57:43 PM »
No digital inputs?
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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2015, 01:00:10 PM »
This is ideal for a location sound guy - seen request posts for a mix/recorder with "built-in" wireless on those forums

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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 01:13:10 PM »
Trew is selling them for a "Discounted" price of:  US $5,499.00

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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 01:14:11 PM »
No digital inputs?

Meh, another swing and miss for SD. I just really hate the direction they are taking their product line.

I'm just hoping this tanks the used 788T market.
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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2015, 01:15:07 PM »
No digital inputs?

The notes I read in the spec note:

  • Two AES42/AES3 inputs, eight AES3 outputs


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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2015, 01:49:57 PM »
Meh, another swing and miss for SD. I just really hate the direction they are taking their product line.

I'm just hoping this tanks the used 788T market.

Out of curiosity, what don't you like about the 688?  Honest question as I haven't had a chance to really investigate this device yet.

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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 02:59:21 PM »
I personally think this is a better direction in adding the wireless applications and digital options.  This also has the option for either and SD or CompactFlash card.  All common sampling rates are supported, including 192 kHz on up to six tracks

The only thing I dislike in re to SD products are the prices that seem to take an upward direction.
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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2015, 03:13:49 PM »
I'd buy a sonosax r4+ at that price

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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2015, 03:14:29 PM »
Meh, another swing and miss for SD. I just really hate the direction they are taking their product line.

I'm just hoping this tanks the used 788T market.

Out of curiosity, what don't you like about the 688?  Honest question as I haven't had a chance to really investigate this device yet.

Sorry, I'm just being ranty. I will give this device time to pan out and I'm sure it has it's merits, but the 664 and 633 were, imo, complete failures for 'what we do.'

Here's a good write-up on my thoughts about the 633 for a while back. I considering buying one for a long time, but quite frankly I think the 744T is still a better option in most cases.

The 633 is a really nice device, especially for mixing, but I did a lot of research before ultimately deciding not to buy one. For the money, I feel like the 744T, given the current used prices, is a much better values and device for concert recording. Some of my thoughts were....

Three preamps is nice, but only marginally better than 2. Without 4 internal preamps, I see no benefit as I record almost exclusively 2 or 4 channels and I have run a three mic rig exactly once. You do get six channels, but only channels 1,2 and 5,6 can be stereo linked together. 3&4 must always be run unlinked which is annoying. It also makes me wonder if there are any differences in the signal path. I don't know the exact answer, but if the signal paths are different does it even make sense to use channels 3&4 for recording stereo? Spend a lot of money for matched stereo mics, only to run them through different signal paths?

If you want to use the 633 with an outboard unit like the USBPre2, MixPre-D, or Grace V3, you'll be unhappy to find out that the digital input will only record to channels 1,2, two of the three preamp channels. Hrmph. I think this is the single biggest flaw with the 633 and the design choice makes little sense. It might be worth asking, but I am pretty sure that when Input 1 is receiving a stereo digital signal, input 2 (along with 3) cannot be used for analog, and even if you could they can't be linked.

Furthermore, the digital input only accepts AES (SPDIF not listed in the specs as supported) and resamples all incoming signals to the 633's internal work rather than slaving to the external clock, which might be fine for live recordings, but not great as a transfer machine. The 744T has both SPDIF and AES I/O on all four channels and can slave to any external clock frequency.

Overall the specs and a significant number of features are still better for recordists on the 744T. Digital I/O on all four channels, more sampling frequency options, wordclock i/o, better EIN, lower THD, the list goes on. The 633 is definitely better it comes to powering options, dual SD and CF recording, and most importantly mixing, but I don't think it's necessarily better for what we do, especially given it's price point vs a used 744T, and the fact that it is still a superior machine for many purposes is a big reason why SD has not retired any of the 7xx devices.

One other comment... Mixer/Records are great, but holy eff... Sound devices is, in 2015, still selling the 702, 722, and 744T recorders as current products without making any enhancements. For the love of god, these devices STILL have Firewire 400 outputs. In my mind, this is nearly unforgivable. They need to either retire that recorder product line or refresh it. They've now delivered three 4+ products in a row (664, 633, PIX, and now 688) focused on the film and sound mixing industry, but there are still users that need recorders and not mixers. Namely, everyone on this board.

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Re: Sound Devices 688
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2015, 03:36:38 PM »
I honestly really like my 552 and MixPre-D!  These IMHO are workhorses in the SD Audio field and are not excluding us tapers on the forum and what we do with live music.

There are many of the SD product line items that I agree with you 100% in regarding product line retirement or refresh them with current transfer features.  Having a mixer with the Dig out, my 552 and MixPre-D still exceeds most of the use I put it through, even outside the realm of live music recording and is probably why the 552 was not discontinued.

I do use the internal recorder in the SD552 as a backup and it has come in hand on many occasions.  I will say that this is a great feature to the SD mixer lines in adding the recorders. Never was sold on the 663 and the 664 is just outrageous in price this day.  I picked up my 552 for $700 when the 663 came out.  Now they are back up to a higher price than the 663...go figure.

Bottom line is that I will keep and stick with my 552 and MixPre-D.  I just enjoy the technology and direction things are moving.  Still allowed to drool over this ;)
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Stands-Poles: Manfrotto 3361 (8') | Manfrotto 1004BAC (13') | K-Tek KE79CC Traveler Boom Pole (1.8 - 6.7' )| K-Tek KEG150CCR Carbon fiber boom pole (12.6')

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