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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2017, 04:20:34 PM »
Thanks man.

Just run your ipa into the mp3, turn off P48. Let the ipa power the mics. Will run a long time on 4 AA's if no P48.
Just an idea, i'm going to use my Babynbox the same way as soon as i get a cable.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2017, 05:19:56 AM »
Anybody here got the Wingman app for Android working with their mixpre-6?

I tried it out yesterday evening and got a "Couldn't pair with xxxx Because of an incorrect PIN or Passkey" on a BQ Aquaris X5+ (Android Nougat 7.1.1).
Already tried to clear the app cache but no luck. (The device is detected but, apparently, the Bluetooth devices cannot be paired.)

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2017, 09:33:34 AM »
Anybody here got the Wingman app for Android working with their mixpre-6?

I tried it out yesterday evening and got a "Couldn't pair with xxxx Because of an incorrect PIN or Passkey" on a BQ Aquaris X5+ (Android Nougat 7.1.1).
Already tried to clear the app cache but no luck. (The device is detected but, apparently, the Bluetooth devices cannot be paired.)

I got it to work fine on my S7.  It seems to begin to have a hard time locking on once I get about 25-30 feet away.  I also don't use a pass key
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2017, 09:54:40 AM »
Anybody here got the Wingman app for Android working with their mixpre-6?

I tried it out yesterday evening and got a "Couldn't pair with xxxx Because of an incorrect PIN or Passkey" on a BQ Aquaris X5+ (Android Nougat 7.1.1).
Already tried to clear the app cache but no luck. (The device is detected but, apparently, the Bluetooth devices cannot be paired.)
Mine paired right up. I didn't bother with passwords or pins.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2017, 10:01:13 AM »
When I ran my USB Pre 2 into 5/6, I started with no gain and watched my levels on the meter in the mixpre 5/6 menu as I turned the gain up. I had set my initial USB Pre settings the way I always do and that made the most sense as I was also running S/PDIF into my Tascam DR100MKIII. My Mix Pre Gain was at 20db and no issues. From that point, based on the bands playing, I made a few tweaks, but using the output of the USB Pre2, not the mix pre6. However since I watched my initial levels go from zero to 18 and watched the little meter that was at the top of the menu go from no signal to a nice but conservative signal, I knew there was no brickwalling.

Yes, this was precisely what I did. Worked fine at TTB, but got the clipped (brickwalled) files for the onstage Soulive.

I guess the explanation is that I overloaded the aux input, what is so strange to me is how this could be given that 0 gain was applied at the preamp, and the levels were good.

I suppose the solution is some kind of attentuating cable, unless anyone has any other bright ideas.

FWIW, I had a similar situation some years back once, using my Marantz PMD 661. It just seemed that some early spike at setup overloaded the input, and as I didn't really notice, the entire show was ruined. However it never happened again, even in louder situations, so I will be curious to see if you will need attenuators. It does not sound like you should, and I can say I had plenty of headroom on my aux in using the USB Pre2 at above "0" gain.  Please keep us posted.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2017, 11:45:53 AM »
Thanks man.

Just run your ipa into the mp3, turn off P48. Let the ipa power the mics. Will run a long time on 4 AA's if no P48.
Just an idea, i'm going to use my Babynbox the same way as soon as i get a cable.

1/8 line
 input?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2017, 12:30:06 PM »
I wonder if people on this thread might be able to help, because my issue involves channels 5 and 6 on the mixpre6.

As I asked here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=182533.0, I had trouble with the Mixpre6 line in the other night. The source was
Schoeps mk4v> nbob KCY> Naiant littlebox (high power, 0 gain)> SD Mixpre6 aux 1/8 inch input to Channels 5 +6 with 22db gain.

Jon at Naiant confirms, via e-mail, that the clipping was likely at the AD stage after the littlebox.

It was loud onstage (soulive with scofield see for a matrix of the mk22 and mk3 sources: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=593684), but nothing the mixpre6 couldn't handle via its xlr ins. I've never had a problem feeding a m10 from the littlebox, but I admit to never having used it with any other recorder.

How might I prevent this in the future? It just seems so odd that the ad on the Mixpre6 would clip given that the littlebox was giving 0 gain! How could it not be possible to use this my kcy littlebox to use channels 5+6 of the Mixpre6?

Here are the images of the files

normal file: http://taperssection.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182533.0;attach=126553;image
clipped file: http://taperssection.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182533.0;attach=126555;image

I brickwalled a little on a SBD feed to 5/6 on the maiden run.  I have not used 5/6 since so not sure if it was isolated to the SBD feed I got or 5/6 needs attenuation.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2017, 02:30:54 PM »
Thanks man.

Just run your ipa into the mp3, turn off P48. Let the ipa power the mics. Will run a long time on 4 AA's if no P48.
Just an idea, i'm going to use my Babynbox the same way as soon as i get a cable.

1/8 line
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No, i dont think that works as good as the xlr inputs (it might be just me, someone correct me then)
You can go line in via xlrs and shut off P48, i'll be trying it out very soon.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2017, 03:15:03 PM »
I ran my IPA from the 1/8" out to the MP6 on my trial run. I figured that would be adequate, but still ordered a XLR cable from Jon to run the IPA into the XLR's of the MP6.

Running again for Panic on Friday. I'll report back if I can tell the difference (or not).

I mainly did that for a more reliable connection between the IPA and MP6, but it's also nice to open up the 1/8" in for other options. I might try to grab a patch from a neighbor at Panic with mics I like since I have that option now.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2017, 04:55:15 PM »
Maybe someone will be interested
MixPre 6 Internal Photos
https://fccid.io/2AKLX-739M6
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2017, 04:56:20 PM »
Form factor just doesn't cut it for me as a backup my 661s fit a pocket and only need to gaff one dial. Such a cool box though.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2017, 05:14:34 PM »
I am almost positive the mp6 is smaller than a 661! 

Form factor just doesn't cut it for me as a backup my 661s fit a pocket and only need to gaff one dial. Such a cool box though.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2017, 06:05:43 PM »
Maybe someone will be interested
MixPre 6 Internal Photos
https://fccid.io/2AKLX-739M6
https://fccid.io/document.php?id=3301068

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2017, 06:18:35 PM »
I am almost positive the mp6 is smaller than a 661! 

Form factor just doesn't cut it for me as a backup my 661s fit a pocket and only need to gaff one dial. Such a cool box though.

The MixPre-3 is a little shorter and a little wider (5.68” x 4.35” x 1.40”) than the PMD661 (6.5” x 3.7” x 1.4”).  The volumes are quite close (34.6 cubic inches vs. 33.7 cubic inches).  Buttons might be an issue, though. 

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2017, 06:27:23 PM »
Buttons are the issue. Thanks for the dimensions though.
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