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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #90 on: July 29, 2017, 12:23:07 PM »
People on download sites have proven time and time again that quality is not the most important characteristic  they take into consideration when choosing what they will download.

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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #91 on: July 29, 2017, 12:47:39 PM »
People on download sites have proven time and time again that quality is not the most important characteristic  they take into consideration when choosing what they will download.

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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #92 on: July 29, 2017, 01:15:21 PM »
 ^^^ Yup, no question about it ^^^
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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #93 on: July 29, 2017, 04:50:25 PM »
well furby's criteria for sound quality are number of dime downloads and size of flac files (see John Fogerty thread from the past) which are dependent upon flac level used (I always use 8 for highest lossless compression) and neither have remotely ANYTHING to do with sound quality.  As long as he believes his sounds best based on his criteria more power to him.  No one else seems to think agree so we must all be clueless and need our ears adjusted.  yeah right.   :iamwithstupid:  :iamwithstupid:  :iamwithstupid:

Still waiting for him to step up and take the challenge Nak700 presented and if he had any balls put some cold hard cash behind it.  Make it $10, $100, $1,000, $10,000.  Name the number. 

Again, number of Dime downloads means nothing.  An unlistenable first show of a tour recorded with an iphone will always get more downloads on a site like dime than the best recording posted a few days later.  Proves NOTHING. 

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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #94 on: July 30, 2017, 03:37:25 AM »
Just putting this out there... basing the quality of a recording on the # of people who download it is specious at best. You could take the same recording captured in 24bit and create torrents of a non resample/dithered version and a version using compressed .mp3 and the heavily manipulated version will get more downloads every time. People on download sites have proven time and time again that quality is not the most important characteristic  they take into consideration when choosing what they will download.


other than the artist, it's the only characteristic I consider.

why have a hard drive full of dissonant, hissy noise?

will I occasionally snag a sub-par recording for either nostalgia or rarity?

sure.


but because it's 24 bit?  (the DAT/Betamax of bitcount)

not a chance.


well furby's criteria for sound quality are number of dime downloads and size of flac files (see John Fogerty thread from the past) which are dependent upon flac level used (I always use 8 for highest lossless compression) and neither have remotely ANYTHING to do with sound quality.  As long as he believes his sounds best based on his criteria more power to him.  No one else seems to think agree so we must all be clueless and need our ears adjusted.  yeah right.   :iamwithstupid:  :iamwithstupid:  :iamwithstupid:


Again, number of Dime downloads means nothing.  An unlistenable first show of a tour recorded with an iphone will always get more downloads on a site like dime than the best recording posted a few days later.  Proves NOTHING. 


dynamic range and oversaturated peaks are a great place to start when comparing sound quality.

my EYES are telling me what I'm telling you...and then my ears; not the other way around

I can film the motherfucking EQ for 30 seconds with both sources playing, youtube the vids, and use a toothpick to *show* you what I am saying.

this isn't "my ear is better than your ear".

I'm using 2 senses vs. 1. (we'll leave your overall musical taste out of the discussion)

when you throw in that it was basically shoulder-on-shoulder where I was taping from, and it's amazing it came out at all, much less as good as it did.

or, I wasn't even really *trying*, other  than the "getting close to stack" part....and still nailed a damn good recording.

re: trying.....I could have backed up 10 ft against the fence (or not paid and sat behind it) and probably made an even better capture. (always seem to find a group of talkers somehow, but a fence would have mitigated that, my Primus '13 and Janes Addiction '15 at the Loon came out like soundboards taped from behind the fence...NO crowd noise, and the Tascam 4ft. up in a tree)...



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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #95 on: July 30, 2017, 04:36:48 AM »
Just putting this out there... basing the quality of a recording on the # of people who download it is specious at best. You could take the same recording captured in 24bit and create torrents of a non resample/dithered version and a version using compressed .mp3 and the heavily manipulated version will get more downloads every time. People on download sites have proven time and time again that quality is not the most important characteristic  they take into consideration when choosing what they will download.


other than the artist, it's the only characteristic I consider.

why have a hard drive full of dissonant, hissy noise?

will I occasionally snag a sub-par recording for either nostalgia or rarity?

sure.


but because it's 24 bit?  (the DAT/Betamax of bitcount)

not a chance.


well furby's criteria for sound quality are number of dime downloads and size of flac files (see John Fogerty thread from the past) which are dependent upon flac level used (I always use 8 for highest lossless compression) and neither have remotely ANYTHING to do with sound quality.  As long as he believes his sounds best based on his criteria more power to him.  No one else seems to think agree so we must all be clueless and need our ears adjusted.  yeah right.   :iamwithstupid:  :iamwithstupid:  :iamwithstupid:


Again, number of Dime downloads means nothing.  An unlistenable first show of a tour recorded with an iphone will always get more downloads on a site like dime than the best recording posted a few days later.  Proves NOTHING. 


dynamic range and oversaturated peaks are a great place to start when comparing sound quality.

my EYES are telling me what I'm telling you...and then my ears; not the other way around

I can film the motherfucking EQ for 30 seconds with both sources playing, youtube the vids, and use a toothpick to *show* you what I am saying.

this isn't "my ear is better than your ear".

I'm using 2 senses vs. 1. (we'll leave your overall musical taste out of the discussion)

when you throw in that it was basically shoulder-on-shoulder where I was taping from, and it's amazing it came out at all, much less as good as it did.

or, I wasn't even really *trying*, other  than the "getting close to stack" part....and still nailed a damn good recording.

re: trying.....I could have backed up 10 ft against the fence (or not paid and sat behind it) and probably made an even better capture. (always seem to find a group of talkers somehow, but a fence would have mitigated that, my Primus '13 and Janes Addiction '15 at the Loon came out like soundboards taped from behind the fence...NO crowd noise, and the Tascam 4ft. up in a tree)...

 :facepalm:  :iamwithstupid:  that's all you deserve with your nonsense.   Still waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is.  I sure am.

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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #96 on: July 31, 2017, 09:10:11 PM »

 :facepalm:  :iamwithstupid:  that's all you deserve with your nonsense.   Still waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is.  I sure am.


when you come up with a contest with acceptable vs. rigid rules, get back to me.


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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #97 on: July 31, 2017, 10:42:45 PM »

 :facepalm:  :iamwithstupid:  that's all you deserve with your nonsense.   Still waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is.  I sure am.


when you come up with a contest with acceptable vs. rigid rules, get back to me.


the tortoise always wins, silly.

Let's hear your rules.  Who makes a better  :zoomie1: recording isn't a competition, I don't stoop that low.

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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #98 on: August 01, 2017, 05:42:02 PM »
https://we.tl/yskBf4qfez

R09 vs. DPA 4022 -> Grace V3 -> SD 722 (DIN stereo @ 9')
Same mic stand, w/ R09 a bit lower due to no sound checking; an impromptu recording by conductors request. He was curious as to how the internals of the R09 sounded, as he was considering buying one for rehearsals, music lessons, composing.

Hall,... multi-purpose room at Country Club Golf Course - not a music hall.  You'll hear stuff in the recording, like HVAC.
And, its acoustic music, and not some bloated PA sounds.
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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #99 on: August 03, 2017, 09:32:34 PM »
So... Did anyone listen? ^
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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #100 on: August 04, 2017, 08:47:04 AM »
I prefer track 2. More vibrant, less noise. The noise floor on track 1 seems fairly high. But, track 1 is not unlistenable and with loud PA music, the noise floor may be less noticeable.
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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #101 on: August 05, 2017, 04:35:51 PM »
I prefer track 2 as well. But, track 1 has always impressed me, given the $20 worth of capsules vs the $5500 of capsules (or whatever a 402x stereo kit retails for these days).
The noise,... is typical air conditioning noise that are apparent with omnis. I hear that difference in noise a lot as I typically will record more than one source at a time, a card source, and an omni source, and compare them. The noise is less so with the cards, as i was high up, and aiming downward about 45º from horizontal. So the HVAC noise is not as direct.
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Re: Edirol R-09 internal mics distorting bass drum beats
« Reply #102 on: Yesterday at 03:51:31 AM »

Let's hear your rules. 


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the #NineElevenShowdown: 2 shows/1 day



I plan on following The Magpie Salute all thru the Bay Area. (Sept 7 thru 12)

BUT, knowing the Crowes like I do, that would be too easy to pin the tail on daspy....I've nailed so many "sweet spot" Crowes recordings, it's ridiculous. shit, my tapes hit etree, 20 years after the fact, and nearly 300 pulls if not more than that on all of them just there (and that was *after* Weber whored them out).

and another couple hundred on dime and TTD.

SOOOOOOO, Mavis Staples is playing a brewery in Petaluma, 4:20 till 9:00pm....THEN Steve Winwood (with Lilly opening) at 8pm at Luther Burbank in Santa Rosa.

the towns are 18 miles apart.

on "terrorist day" (appros, no?)

I've never seen either *nor* taped at either venue (yeah, I'll go on his home turf, as it's clear he'd never set foot in Alaska)

BONUS points for whoever captures more of the music.



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just to prove daspy wrong.

thoughts?

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