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Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« on: December 27, 2005, 02:38:36 PM »
Sigh... Hope I never have to explain this purchase to the mrs...

Anyone want a gently used Canon 28-135 IS 3.5-5.6?   >:D
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2005, 10:52:36 PM »
mmm... bokah....

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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2006, 01:02:47 AM »
If you're lookin to sell that 28-135 drop me a PM

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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2006, 12:47:49 PM »
your shot looks like it has gone through velvia at like 90% :P
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2006, 01:28:13 PM »
your shot looks like it has gone through velvia at like 90% :P

Hahaha... yeah, the color temp difference is weird... the compact fluorescent in the background is a lot different than the flash lit foreground.
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2006, 12:20:13 PM »
Since ChitownTaper isn't getting back to me:







First $300 gets the lens, cap, hood, and a UV filter, all in original boxes... I pick up the shipping.  It goes to ebay in a few weeks if there are no bites here.
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2006, 08:55:22 PM »
Since ChitownTaper isn't getting back to me:

First $300 gets the lens, cap, hood, and a UV filter, all in original boxes... I pick up the shipping.  It goes to ebay in a few weeks if there are no bites here.

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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2006, 01:23:14 PM »
YOU are gonna be so happy with that newer lens.... I have one -- and it's is the bomb-diggity.. Enjoy!
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2006, 04:15:56 PM »
How is that EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM lens??? I'm considering this for my Rebel XT, as a main walkaround. I KNOW L glass is better, but I'm looking for a decent starter lens.
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2006, 09:42:43 PM »
the 24-70 is an incredible lens.  and it is an "L" lens.  it's a little long on the short end as your only lens however if you want to do real landscapes and cityscapes.  the 24mm on a 1.6x crop camera like the dreb means the shortest effective focal length is about 38mm which is not very wide.  you may also consider the 17-40 f4L as well.  it just depends on what you shoot.  the 24-70 is my main lens on the 20d and i haven't found a comparable lens as far as deep colors, contrast and sharpness go.  on the downside, it's pricey and it's pretty damn big so it's not very discreet at all.

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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2006, 11:58:09 PM »
i haven't found a comparable lens as far as deep colors, contrast and sharpness go.

I'm surprised you'd rate it over your 135/2 in those categories. Did you mean in that focal range?
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2006, 10:54:15 AM »
i haven't found a comparable lens as far as deep colors, contrast and sharpness go.

I'm surprised you'd rate it over your 135/2 in those categories. Did you mean in that focal range?

sorry, i meant to say of the zooms that i have had.  the 135/2 outperforms pretty much every lens i have owned, but i consider the primes and zooms separately.

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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2006, 11:20:33 AM »
How is that EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM lens??? I'm considering this for my Rebel XT, as a main walkaround. I KNOW L glass is better, but I'm looking for a decent starter lens.

It's a big heavy lens that will feel odd on the XT, unless you have the grip--which is a highly recommended accessories for the XT.  If you have the grip the 24-70L will balanced better.

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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2006, 11:50:17 AM »
How is that EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM lens??? I'm considering this for my Rebel XT, as a main walkaround. I KNOW L glass is better, but I'm looking for a decent starter lens.

It's a big heavy lens that will feel odd on the XT, unless you have the grip--which is a highly recommended accessories for the XT.  If you have the grip the 24-70L will balanced better.

i disagree.  it's neither that big nor that heavy, plus you should be holding your camera by your lens anyways if it is big enough- its a more stable shot.
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2006, 11:53:30 PM »
How is that EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM lens??? I'm considering this for my Rebel XT, as a main walkaround. I KNOW L glass is better, but I'm looking for a decent starter lens.

It's a big heavy lens that will feel odd on the XT, unless you have the grip--which is a highly recommended accessories for the XT.  If you have the grip the 24-70L will balanced better.

i disagree.  it's neither that big nor that heavy, plus you should be holding your camera by your lens anyways if it is big enough- its a more stable shot.

OK Jonny it's not as heavy  as a 300 or 400 2.8. 

I've owned both ( and most of the Canon L lenses ) and stand by my opinion.  Try holding your XT with a demo of the 24-70L.  You can come to your own conclusions.  Larger hands require the XT grip and the grip helps to stabilize the lens.  Maybe Jonny has little hands, but great technique :)


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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2006, 01:33:42 AM »
well played sir.

mattd used to use the 70-200 on his rebel (i think he still does).
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2006, 01:47:35 AM »
well played sir.

mattd used to use the 70-200 on his rebel (i think he still does).

Yup, first the 4, now the 2.8. If I hold it up by the body, it feels like the lens will snap the mount off. Any lens that has the tripod collar is telling you to hold it and not just the camera.
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2006, 10:06:14 AM »
well, with any lens, you need to hold the body with your right hand and the lens with your left.  so i don't think that means anything.  I do think the 24-70 is rather large and heavy, there is pretty much no lens in this focal range that comes close to that size.  sure it's not as heavy as the 300, but let's be reasonable about what we compare here.  I didn't have the 24-70 when i had the drebel so i'm not speaking from experience, but i would imagine that having such a heavy lens on a light body would be a little weird.  the balance would certainly be off a little bit in my hands, as the weight of the lens would be pulling the body forward a bit.  that is not to say that this means you can't use the 24-70 with the drebel, it just means you would have to get used to a somewhat heavier lens and be prepared to adapt your shooting method.  i certainly don't think this would be a reason not to get the lens if it's what you want.

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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2006, 04:59:01 PM »
Comparing to the 300/400 is extreme!  Perhaps I should have said 85L, 135L or 200 2.8L.  Pardon me...


I might be in the minority here but I liked the 17-85 IS lens.  It balanced nicely on my XT and took nice pics.  Samples vary unfortunately.

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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2006, 04:27:42 PM »
I'm not sure why anyone needs a fixed f/2.8 in the midrange.

Just get a f/1.8 or even f/1.4 50mm that will be an order of magnitude sharper and a full stop (or more) faster, and back up or move forward with your feet, then get (or keep in this case) a slower (and lighter in weight) zoon in the not-very-wide to not-very-telephoto range if you choose.

I have a 50mm f/1.8 (less than $100) and a 24-85 f/3.5 - 4.5 (less than $400, meaning the total for both lenses combined is less than an f/2.8 in this range by about half), works good for me and everyone else I know who uses this setup.

I do want a wider f-stop at the bookends of that range, but that's why I have an 80-200 f/2.8 and a 17-35 f/2.8 (well, don't have the latter yet, but we'll get there :D).

Then again, Canon blows, Nikon all the way! (j/k don't take it seriously!)
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2006, 01:31:31 AM »
I'm not sure why anyone needs a fixed f/2.8 in the midrange.

Just get a f/1.8 or even f/1.4 50mm that will be an order of magnitude sharper and a full stop (or more) faster, and back up or move forward with your feet, then get (or keep in this case) a slower (and lighter in weight) zoon in the not-very-wide to not-very-telephoto range if you choose.

I have a 50mm f/1.8 (less than $100) and a 24-85 f/3.5 - 4.5 (less than $400, meaning the total for both lenses combined is less than an f/2.8 in this range by about half), works good for me and everyone else I know who uses this setup.

I do want a wider f-stop at the bookends of that range, but that's why I have an 80-200 f/2.8 and a 17-35 f/2.8 (well, don't have the former yet, but we'll get there :D).

Then again, Canon blows, Nikon all the way! (j/k don't take it seriously!)

on the 2.8 reason, there are multiple reasons:

first- on your 50 f/1.8 you really need to stop that down to 2.8 to get a decent focus on it.  shooting at 1.8 leaves the image flat and due to poor qc on those lenses you usually get a lot of crap focus on the edges.

on the 24-70 f/2.8 it is one of the few zooms that is really sharp at 2.8 , but it's an L lens and you get what you pay for.

Sometimes you don't have the option of foot focusing a lens- think about shooting a concert with a photo pass where you are stuck in one location to shoot- foot zooming doesn't work there. 

Also, the 24-85 is not even nearly as clean a lens as L glass.
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2006, 01:14:04 PM »
L glass is sexy!

I hope to be out of sigma and into L IS glass by fall.


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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2006, 06:11:55 PM »
on the 2.8 reason, there are multiple reasons:

first- on your 50 f/1.8 you really need to stop that down to 2.8 to get a decent focus on it.  shooting at 1.8 leaves the image flat and due to poor qc on those lenses you usually get a lot of crap focus on the edges.

Crap focus? It's f/1.8. Nearly everything is going to be out of focus. That's the point.

If you have a specific problem with a specific piece, you return it or junk it. It's a $100 lens and when it's right (and honestly, I've seen no QC issues any more than any other lens, unless Canon is significantly worse than Nikon here), it's sharper than any zoom is ever going to be, stopped down or no. Even if you DID have to stop it down to f/2.8, well, you're still at the starting point for that 10x plus price zoom.

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on the 24-70 f/2.8 it is one of the few zooms that is really sharp at 2.8 , but it's an L lens and you get what you pay for.

I'm sure it's the same as the AF-S Nikons. The real ones, not the one I have alluded to above which is "AF-S" but isn't really. The one I have is an incredibly sharp lens with a bit of distortion at the ends.

I'm not denying your lens is great, but in that focal range, you're not talking about differences that are not actually going to matter. That range is not telephoto enough for portraiture (you want at least an 85 f/1.8 for half the price or 85 f/1.4 for about the same, if not longer), not telephoto enough for sports, and you don't need super-low f-stops at the wide end anyway (amount of light needed at 24 f/3.5 is roughly equal to that of 50 f/1.8; 24 f/2.8 = 50 f/1.4)

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Sometimes you don't have the option of foot focusing a lens- think about shooting a concert with a photo pass where you are stuck in one location to shoot- foot zooming doesn't work there. 

I have done concert photography before, actually, though not on a photo-pass basis. Generally pass holders are way up front, so I'd want  two bodies - one with a 17-35 (stage/area/crowd shots) and one with an 80 - 200 (head/bust shots), the range in between is simply not useful. 35 - 80 range is the "birthday party" lens, and you're going to be using flash, 400 speed film, and want lots of DOF so no way is f/2.8 wanted or necessary in such a situation.

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Also, the 24-85 is not even nearly as clean a lens as L glass.

"Clean"? Are you talking about sharpness or distortion? Because from all accounts, the 24-85 f/3.5 - 4.5 AF-S is as sharp as it gets for a zoom (I'm sure the Canon equivalent is equal), though again there is significant distortion, but that is what Photoshop is for. For any potentially "award winning" photography you are shooting slide film, and all slide film is now printed digitally anyway, so you will have ample opportunity to run it through PS first through a correction process you can pre-set for every lens you own and then apply in less than a minute per pic. All for a quarter of the price and less than half the weight! Besides, if quality is your drive, shoot medium format :D

But don't take my word for it; see what an actual professional thinks of such lenses: http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/2870afs.htm

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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2006, 07:07:38 PM »
You can't judge Nikon Glass and Canon Glass the same.  What is good on one, might not be good on the other.  The 50mm f/1.8 prime is a good cheap lens for both cameras.  I know canon used to make a different version which is a bit more expensive and harder to find, but the build quality was better.  Still, if you're shooting wide open at f/1.8 and are anywhere near the subject your focusing on, your DOF is just going to be too small.  You could be focusing on the persons head, and the guitar in their hands would be out of focus.

The canon 24-70mm f/2.8L USM, 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM, and the prime would probably be my three choices for concert photography, with the 70-200 being my work hourse, cuz I'm back my stand in most cases.


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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2006, 05:56:05 PM »
Well I'm gonna be shooting this weekend a club in L.A. and using my Canon 50mm f/1.4 so I will post once I get back what kind of shots I got. (Provided they actually turn out)  :)
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Re: Giving in to temptation: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2006, 08:02:15 PM »


My first "concert" with my new DSLR! (I'm quite happy with the pics I got)
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