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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2007, 11:29:48 AM »
At my Best Buy, they sat me in front of Batman Returns (non-HD) and then they threw in the HD release and I watched the same scene and there was a vast difference in quality, but I was watching it on either 1080i or more likely 1080p.  If I were you, I would go to a store and have them do a demo for you with something similar to your setup.

I'd say it was 1080p. There is a huge difference when they play that game with you. But when veiwing HD on 720p or SD upconvert to 720p, the difference is supposedly minimal. The 1080i thing I just don't get. Big box sales people say 720p is better than 1080i, yet Comcast broadcasts HD in 1080i.

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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2007, 05:48:27 PM »
At my Best Buy, they sat me in front of Batman Returns (non-HD) and then they threw in the HD release and I watched the same scene and there was a vast difference in quality, but I was watching it on either 1080i or more likely 1080p.  If I were you, I would go to a store and have them do a demo for you with something similar to your setup.

I'd say it was 1080p. There is a huge difference when they play that game with you. But when veiwing HD on 720p or SD upconvert to 720p, the difference is supposedly minimal. The 1080i thing I just don't get. Big box sales people say 720p is better than 1080i, yet Comcast broadcasts HD in 1080i.

CBS HD (1080i) looks better then FoxHD (720p) to me on my set for normal TV shows.  If watching a football game then FoxHD looks better because of the fast action the picture doesn't get all pixelated.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2007, 07:47:45 PM »
I wont buy SD DVDs anymore.  After getting HD DVD on my *720p* set there was such a huge difference that I can't go back.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2007, 12:33:26 PM »
Wal-Mart tomorrow......Toshiba HD-A2 on sale for $98.00!!!!!!

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2007, 03:05:41 PM »
Wal-Mart tomorrow......Toshiba HD-A2 on sale for $98.00!!!!!!

It may or may not make a difference to some but this player does NOT output 1080p.  Hell even for $100 you can't really beat it.  I'm pretty sure you will get the 5 free movies with it as well.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2007, 03:51:45 PM »
My tv does 1080p, but my cable box pushes 1080i and yeah, it looks way better than 720p (ie. CBS HD vs. Fox HD).  The difference is night and day.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2007, 04:42:20 PM »
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2007, 08:46:27 PM »

I'd say it was 1080p. There is a huge difference when they play that game with you. But when veiwing HD on 720p or SD upconvert to 720p, the difference is supposedly minimal.

Trust me, the difference between true 720P and SD upconvert 720p is not minimal.  Upconverting basically just scales the video to a higher resolution - The resolution wasn't there in the first place, the idea is just that the upscaling hardware is supposed to do a better job scaling the video up than your TV set.

Oh, that Best Buy deal where you get 9 free HD DVD's?  Part of the deal was to get 2 additional HD DVD's valued at $34.99 or below for free in store.  There was a bug in their system where you could get any 2 additional HD DVD products for free.  I picked up the Planet Earth HD DVD box set ($99.99) for free...

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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2007, 02:37:22 PM »

imo if you have a upconvert player that does a nice job, as i do there is no need to pay big bucks for a new player
i would hold off and wait for a sale like black friday or longer for price drops



That was the point of this thread. Since I do not have a 1080p display but do have an upconvert capable DVD player, why spend the money on hi def DVDs and a new HD player. It seems that Blu Ray definitely needs the 1080p display to make it worth it, but there are some who think that a 720p display with HD DVD will provide a big jump in pic quality over my current setup which is Denon 2910>Hitachi 720p. Would just like some more input here before I go running around spending more money :P



Upconverting does improve image quality, but not to the level as a native higher def image.  It's like saying why waste money on 24 bit recording.  I can always just record 16 bit and up convert with Sound Forge or something.  You then become dependent on the upconvert algorithm to accurately guess what the missing information is.  Sometime is is right, sometimes not. 

FWIW.  I just picked up a HD-DVD player for the $100 deal they had at WalMart.  It was a one day deal but I'm guessing it may show back up.

Basically in all of the reviews I have read when it comes to actual image quality between BlueRay and HD-DVD there is no difference.  There are some slight capacity advantages to BR, but as of now there is no content that takes advantage of them.  It is more of a driver for data storage when those drives begin to take off.  HDDVD is making up some ground there though so the jury is out. 

For me it was a matter of cost of playback.  BR players are all still in the $400 range.  Toshiba, the main HDDVD manufacturer is running a deal where you get 5 free movies by mail so basically for the cost of 5 movies, I got the player for free.

You will definelt see a image quality improvment moving from any standard DVD or upconverting player to a native HD device and content. 

The 720p vs 1080i argument can be content dependent.  Fast moving content can sometimes have artifacts when there is a lot of motion such as sports or action movies.  The overall quality boils down to being content dependent somewhat.  Either one looks much better that standard def 480i.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2007, 02:57:52 PM »
FWIW.  I just picked up a HD-DVD player for the $100 deal they had at WalMart.  It was a one day deal but I'm guessing it may show back up.

Actually that's not very likely.  They were basically selling off the remaining HD-A2 stock, and I doubt there is much if any left now.  The A3 will go on sale probably as low as $150, but I doubt we'll see the $99 mark again this year.

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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2007, 09:23:42 PM »
At my Best Buy, they sat me in front of Batman Returns (non-HD) and then they threw in the HD release and I watched the same scene and there was a vast difference in quality, but I was watching it on either 1080i or more likely 1080p.  If I were you, I would go to a store and have them do a demo for you with something similar to your setup.

I'd say it was 1080p. There is a huge difference when they play that game with you. But when veiwing HD on 720p or SD upconvert to 720p, the difference is supposedly minimal. The 1080i thing I just don't get. Big box sales people say 720p is better than 1080i, yet Comcast broadcasts HD in 1080i.
i am not sure what tw cable/channels send out for a signal but the discovery 1080i stuff looks a million time better then most of the stuff on and channel
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2007, 09:08:23 PM »
This retailer has a 2-day sale on the A3 for $169:

http://www.americantv.com/

$10 less than what I bought it for at Best Buy.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2007, 09:31:05 PM »
This retailer has a 2-day sale on the A3 for $169:

http://www.americantv.com/

$10 less than what I bought it for at Best Buy.
amazon has it for 169 too
and sears has it till noon tomorrow for 169

amazon was 199 with 8 movies last week, the prob is none of the movies were anything worth getting imo
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2007, 10:03:09 PM »
Comes with 300 and Bourne Identity in the box - both great flicks if you ask me.
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Re: HD DVD or Blu Ray>720p/1080i
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2007, 12:07:25 PM »
I am in on the Blu-Ray side as the capacity of Blu-Ray is better

Blu-Ray supports 25GB per layer with a maximum of 8 layers for 200GB (only disc's with upto 2 layers are currently avail - I have no idea if you will need a new player when the number of layers go above 2)

HD-DVD supports only 15GB per layer with a maximum of 2 layers for 30 GB (a new addition to the format is currently being developed to push to 3 layers at around 45GB)

This doesn'y mean that Blu-Ray has better picture than HD-DVD, but to me it means that the technology at least from a storage perspective would potentially have a longer lifecycle.

That is simply not true.  Blu-Ray doesn't have a single disc outside of the labs bigger than 50gb.  Toshiba's 51gb HD DVD discs have been fully approved by the HD DVD board and should see release soon after consumer testing.  The expectation is that all HD DVD players will be able to play these newer, higher than Blu-Ray capacity discs with a simple firmware update (which is easy on HD DVD, since an ethernet connection is required in the spec).

Both companies are working on multi-layer huge capacity discs, but they're still in R&D labs. 
I never said 200GB was outside of the labs but it has been developed.  See:
http://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=4430
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/12/tdk-hard-at-work-on-8-layer-200gb-blu-ray-disc/
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/28/tdk-ok-were-done-with-the-200gb-recordable-blu-ray/

Sony R&D had these in 2004 and TDK in 2006

Also the important point is HD-DVD is pegged at 17GB per layer where as Blu-Ray can handle 25GB per layer or 45% more capacity per layer - this means for a data capacity point Blu-Ray is superior.

They are developing 51GB HD-DVD's as you say at 17GB per layer but still it takes 3 layers of HD-DVD to equal 2 layers of Blu-Ray.  The 51GB HD-DVD spec was just approved a few days ago.
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/11/18/dvd-forum-approves-triple-layer-hd-dvd-version-20

Overtime HD-DVD may be able to support 8 layers as well but no one has developed this and the max capacity would be 17GB x 8 or 136GB vs 200GB for Blu-Ray
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