Topic: Greenmachine Mics (omni) [w/ samples]

[Church-Audio]

Brothers!

Where is this thread going to?

 

Actually I was just trying to help some people out here at T.S with some "inside" info on how I do things.. The greenmachine DIY method would work if you wanted to build some mics that worked "ok" but if you want to build something that will really handle the high SPL my method has been tested and proven.. And I wanted to simply share it.. But one of the users in this forum has seen fit to call me out on my 4.7k mod... and the simple truth of the matter is this user has a "hidden agenda" so that's all carry on..

Chris

Chris --

Just what is my hidden agenda???  And how can you claim credit for something which is in the public domain? 

Ad hominum attacks (aqainst the person) happen when there is no way to defend yourself against the question.  Again, how can you claim credit, and you do it often, for something in the public domain?  If you charge me with something you better be ready to back it up.     

Its public f'ing domain because I MADE IT SO.... actually.. Because I am the one that thought of it, and I am the one that came up with the idea. In the first place. Other then that I guess I dont have any rights.. Your hidden agenda is plain as the nose on your face. You got rejected from me because you were very rude. You asked if I had a return policy if you "did not like the mics" I said NO, Your not shopping at Walmart here these are HANDMADE items, I dont take off the shelf gear and repackage it. Out of all the 4,000 + customers I have had in the last 3 years 0 of them have ever asked for the money back on a product I have built. Your exact response was "I must have something to hide" as if my products must be shit or something how did you expect me to treat you when you insult me?.. Look at the 1000's of users I have ask them what they think dont ask me.. lol. I told you to take a walk because you were a condescending rude ass.. Plain and simple, When you get to own your own company you can get to decide who gets to own your gear and who does not. You do have a hidden agenda. You are 100% incorrect in assuming I did not come up with this, you know nothing about electronics.. And yet you insist on challenging me on a subject you actually know nothing about?

I guess your just trying to make me look bad that's ok. I think your the one that is starting to look bad here.. I have done nothing wrong I have done more then most vendors have done simply by disclosing what I do to my microphones to get them to handle the high spl that they handle. I did not read up on the Internet on how to do it. I invented it...


Say what you will but in this case your dead wrong.
PS... any one can look things up on the Internet and say hey this has a 4.7k resistor it must be the same mod Chris Church does! lol..

Here's a tip before you go digging up things on the Internet, schematics and such maybe you should learn how to read them? It helps to strengthen your argument when you actually know what the hell your talking about..

Chris

[SparkE!]

Ad hominum attacks (aqainst the person) happen when there is no way to defend yourself against the question.  Again, how can you claim credit for something which is in the public domain? 

Again, how can you claim credit, and you do it often, for something in the public domain?

Dude, it's only in the public domain because Chris put it there.  Have you seen it somewhere else?  That other thing you posted isn't even close to the same thing.  If you're going to attack someone, be prepared to back it up with relevant facts.

And by the way, if you're going to boldly use Latin, at least spell it right.  (It's ad hominem and it's more effective if you use the correct spelling.)

[TheMaestro]

I would just like to thank Chris Church for everything he has given to this community.  He makes exceptional products and sells them at very    reasonable prices.  He very well could of kept his 4.7k resistor mod in the dark.  He is also telling everyone how he manufactures one of his products, not many businesses do that.
Thank you.

Now back to the topic, I have heard many recordings made in the sweet spot with the "stock" panasonic capsules and they have turned out terrific.  I've also listened to Chris's mics in a loud environment and they definitely hold their ground when comparing to mics that cost hundreds more. 
This is just my opinion, my ears are still young.

-trenton

[bugg100]

Just a quick note to say thanks to Chris for contributing a little more hard earned knowledge to the group..... and for what?  Oh , goodwill.

Joe Holland

By the the way, Does any one have any firsthand knowledge about th Transound replacement for the Pana 60 capsule?
http://www.jlielectronics.com/transsound/electrets/ts-60a.htm

[Church-Audio]

Just a quick note to say thanks to Chris for contributing a little more hard earned knowledge to the group..... and for what?  Oh , goodwill.

Joe Holland

By the the way, Does any one have any firsthand knowledge about th Transound replacement for the Pana 60 capsule?
http://www.jlielectronics.com/transsound/electrets/ts-60a.htm

I have used them both I like the TS-62 and TS-60 both are good choices and both will work very well the TS-62 Can handle very high spl unmodded! I am talking very similar performance to my 4.7k mod.. I also think the TS-60 is very easy to mod with my 4.7k mod just cut the traces and solder to the resistor across the "happy face" and the ground pad you will see the happy face when you get the capsule in your hand..

Chris

[OOK]

Chris don't let the ramblings of someone distract you from what you are doing on this board.  You are a very valuable source for all of us.  I learned a long time ago when you argue, do it from a point of strength ie: know what your talking about before you open your mouth, if you don't shut up and listen.  Appearntly some have yet to learn this fact.  I find the knowledge you have to be refreshing and wanting me to learn more....And to have fun while doing it. 

Its like being king of the hill, everyone wants to try and take a swat and knock you off.  Again don't let it get you down.  Those of us who have been around the board for a while know the truth and will back you up 100%...................

Now back to the fun stuff....( insert thread hijack)  Where is that preamp your building? its almost july and please no pictures of wires with duct tape..LOL...eager minds want to know and SEE!
Keep up the excellent work...OTheroneK

Oh yeah I almost forgot    T+

[Javier Cinakowski]

Mr Church, you are a good dude.

I have actually looked at every single article on the internet regarding 4.7k and audio circuits.  You are indeed the first person documented using this mod.  This boojum dude is oviously has some personal bias against you.

I understand why you are pissed at Sound Pros for not giving you credit.  I know about how that all went down, and they didn't intend to steal your thunder....

take care dude!

[hi and lo]

Chris... i'll back you up even though you laid into me for ripping on coresounds...

you mod is indeed unique. The diagram pictured is in no way your mod, it merely uses a 4.7k resistor.

I cannot verify your mod was published somewhere unofficial, say a micdiyer forum, however your intense defense leads me to believe you are not lying that you invented it. If you didn't, you've just opened the flood gates.

You make a good product at a great price. Keep up the good work.

[boojum]

The truth need only be spoken quietly.  It need not be shouted.   It defends itself. 

[Church-Audio]

The truth need only be spoken quietly.  It need not be shouted.   It defends itself. 

You have made a mistake here be a man and say you made a mistake. I will be a gentleman and accept your apology and we can move on..

Chris

[BobW]

When Matsushita put the caps out they also put out an application whitepaper which described uses and model circuits.
The rest is a bit of trial and error  and/or  an understanding of the application and its design and customizing it to your particular use.

Those inclined to experiment probably should.
Those who want a finished product should see Chris or the other vendors who put the pieces together and make it work.

Its what make this system great, we have choices.

Peace

[boojum]

The truth need only be spoken quietly.  It need not be shouted.   It defends itself. 

You have made a mistake here be a man and say you made a mistake. I will be a gentleman and accept your apology and we can move on..

Chris

Chris - this is quite different from what you sent me in a private note.  Post what you sent me.   

[SparkE!]

Chris - this is quite different from what you sent me in a private note.  Post what you sent me.   

Heck with that.  Chris, post the email that boojum sent to you.  (Did it have any misspelled Latin phrases?  Come on. Spill.)

[SparkE!]

Chris, on second thought, let it drop.  We all know that boojum is just pissed because you wouldn't agree to let him return your mics if he didn't like them. If he'd been paying attention, he could have taken advantage of the set that you had in the loaner program.

And boojum, quit being such a whiner.  I want to be able to like all of the other members of team old farts and you are really making it hard for me to do so.  Act your age.  Chris is not your local WalMart.  He's delivering a hand-built product that has a good reputation.  If he sells something to you, his only obligation is to deliver a working product.  The fact is that he goes well beyond that with after-the-sale support that is not offered by any of the other merchants on here that sell mics.  He shouldn't have to agree to a no-questions-asked return policy and if that's what you require in a merchant, then buy your mics at WalMart.  Or Best Buy. And again, act your age.  You're embarrassing the rest of us that have been around the sun more than 50 times.

[Church-Audio]

The truth need only be spoken quietly.  It need not be shouted.   It defends itself. 

You have made a mistake here be a man and say you made a mistake. I will be a gentleman and accept your apology and we can move on..

Chris

Chris - this is quite different from what you sent me in a private note.  Post what you sent me.   

Humm the part where I said you could "suck me" after you made a threat to basically contact ebay and report me and publish my emails here in an attempt you get me to be quiet? that email??

Lets drop this.. you have made your point you are a no-mind.. Lets move on now shall we? and for God sakes use spell check its saved me plenty of times.. When your spelling is correct your threats seem to have more weight behind them.. And better serves your intimidation tactics.

I did extend the olive branch here, but I can see I am not dealing with a 67 year old man but a 67 year old baby.
So stick that pacifier in your mouth or find me the article that has my 4.7k mod on it with someone else's name attached. Ether way you can stop emailing me, and forget about a Christmas card this year! 

Chris