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Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« on: May 04, 2003, 11:58:39 PM »
I'll be taking my new rig to the Dead, and would love some input from the fine folks in this group, regarding mic pattern, placement, ect..ect. I'll be using a shure vertical bar and, I'll be running ADK A-51 TL's > UA5 p-mod> Sony PCM-M1

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2003, 01:04:16 AM »
omni or cards for sure...you might wanna split the mics a little more than usual....a LOT of phase shifting goin on...you really just gotta find the sweet spot there.....wherever that may be.... ;)

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2003, 04:39:52 AM »
i would run the cards NOS!!!!!!!   ;)
the section is very close and directly behind the mix position....i think there are only like 5 rows in front of the mix postion too....which makes FOB a little difficult.  anyway, the section at red rocks sounds great!!  you will be happy with the results.

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2003, 08:22:48 AM »
Lots of phase shifting, definitely...and WIND. Make sure you use your heaviest wind screens or it'll sound like ass. A buddy of mine was taping and working there during HORDE '93 and he remembers an entire cymbal stand catching the wind just right and being blown across stage. Fortunately, he was plugged into the SBD...I can only imagine what the AUDs must sound like. ;)

Definitely one of the best-located taper's sections, though...there's a concrete slab right above the tunnel leading up to the mix position that's typically roped off; that's a great spot to set up because nobody stumbles through during the show...

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2003, 10:46:26 AM »
For sure, have fun at Red Rocks, one of the best places to see a show period....haven't been there since 96 myself, have fun!!!
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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2003, 10:19:01 PM »
Thanks folks. It will be my first time at RR. I can't wait.

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2003, 01:01:37 AM »
red rocks, definately magic.  lived in colo for 12 yrs and only got there once :-[  saw phil and les.  there was an electrical storm happening to the east past denver, awsome show,  take your camera.

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2003, 01:23:00 AM »
definitely magical... ;)

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2003, 10:56:21 AM »
Check the RIG PICTURES section and see the recent post entitled "Random Pics" - the middle shot is from the TS at Red Rocks last summer.
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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2003, 03:17:31 PM »
bob,
  +T for the pics...who are those cats... ???

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2003, 10:38:08 AM »
Magical is really the only word for it. I live in denver and summertime at Red Rocks...well, it just doesn't get any better. However I am very disappointed that SCI hasn't announced any plans to play there this year. What is up with that?!?!? Its got to happen.

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2003, 11:17:09 PM »
Magical is what I have heard, and it's 25  years after a real good time. If Tuesday goes past 12:00, 8 years after a real bad time. Also, it's the only shows on tour without an opener.
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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2003, 12:04:25 PM »
Hi All,

As a Colorado guy, I'm lucky to have Red Rocks in my back yard, but musically it is a mixed blessing.  While it looks beautiful, and the overall Red Rocks experience parallels the best of them, it can be less than impressive when the sound enters the picture.   Swirling winds and a steep incline close behind create all sorts of interesting troubles where taping is concerned.

I have found that my favorite mics for RR are the AKG 480's and MBHO 603 series.  For some reason, I have found DPA 4011 (a regular favorite of mine) to be nearly useless at Red Rocks and have only been more disappointed when I used omnis of any flavor.

One major exception to this is the Blues Traveller '97 tape that I made using Microtech Gefell omnis for the first set and AKG 482 (omnis) for the second.  I will have these available for download later this week.

Generally, I find that cardioids produce the best results and I keep them, as usual, about 8-12" apart.

I hope this helps.

See ya on the Rocks,

Marc

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2003, 04:12:37 PM »
Generally, I find that cardioids produce the best results and I keep them, as usual, about 8-12" apart.

I hope this helps.

See ya on the Rocks,

Marc

hi Marc and all,

quick question.  utilizing what stereo config exactly?  point at the stacks method?  just curious, as there is so much talk of Line Array systems/ mono vs. stereo/ height and placement of mics, etc.  and yet the method you seem to choose is not one commonly chosen by experienced tapers as providing the best stereo image.  curious as to your thoughts on this subject.   ::)

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btw:  as long as i see you're over here price matching your competitors, what's your best price on a set of ak50 caps?   ;)

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Re:Best Setup for Red Rocks T/S
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2003, 06:55:07 PM »
On the sonicsense website there is a great explanation of why Marc places his mics that way. It makes sense, sonicly that is. Check it out.

 

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