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Title: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: digifish_music on January 27, 2009, 06:05:29 PM
In the Leaving mics outside overnight (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,115183.0.html) topic, I mentioned the Behringer C2 mic pair, since they sound good and are only $90. My only gripe with them is self-noise is a little high for ambient & quiet acoustic instrument work, however everyone needs a pair of disposable condensers IMO :)

Behringer just launched what looks to be the next step up...EDIT $99 USD...3 dB more sensitive at C2 = -41 dBV vs C4 = -38 dBV. If the S/N is similarly improved these should be a steal.

(http://www.behringer.com/EN/images/lightboxphotos/C-4_P0830_Front_web.jpg)(http://www.behringer.com/EN/images/lightboxphotos/C-4_P0830_Perspective_web.jpg)          (http://www.behringer.com/EN/images/products/C-4_P0830_Top_Perspective_web.jpg)

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/C-4.aspx

...funny at customs...

"Whats in the box" ... some C4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-4_(explosive)) officer!

EDIT:

Country   Price
US   NORTH AMERICA    USD$ 99.99
UK   UNITED KINGDOM MSRP incl. 15% VAT    £ 63.00
SE   SWEDEN MSRP incl. 25% VAT kr 799.00
PT   PORTUGAL MSRP incl. 20% VAT € 83.00
NO   NORWAY MSRP incl. 25% VAT   € 86.00
NL   NETHERLANDS MSRP incl. 19% VAT   € 82.00
LU   LUXEMBOURG MSRP incl. 15% VAT   € 79.00
JP   MSRP incl. 5% Sales Tax ¥ 12,495.00
IT   ITALY MSRP incl. 20% VAT € 83.00
IE   IRELAND MSRP incl. 21% VAT   € 83.00
GR   GREECE MSRP incl. 19% VAT   € 82.00
FR   FRANCE MSRP incl. 19.6% VAT € 83.00
FI   FINLAND MSRP incl. 22% VAT   € 84.00
ES   SPAIN MSRP incl. 16 % VAT   € 80.00
DE   GERMANY MSRP incl. 19% VAT € 82.00
CH   SWITZERLAND MSRP incl. 7.6% VAT CHF 115.00
BE   BELGIUM MSRP incl. 21% VAT   € 83.00
AU   RRP Incl. 10% GST AUD$ 139.99
AT   AUSTRIA MSRP incl. 20% VAT   € 83.00
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: heyitsmejess on January 28, 2009, 02:09:44 AM
$99 US for a pair...cant go wrong!
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: digifish_music on January 28, 2009, 03:19:23 AM
$99 US for a pair...cant go wrong!

Indeed. The C-2's sound far better than they should...so...
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: SmokinJoe on February 06, 2009, 03:27:23 AM
Cardioi :hmmm:d?  That logo on the side is the universal geek symbol for Hypers.   $99 hypers?  Oh yeah.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: bdasilva on February 16, 2009, 11:01:11 PM
69.00 to your door hypers
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Roving Sign on February 16, 2009, 11:48:59 PM
$99 US for a pair...cant go wrong!

Indeed. The C-2's sound far better than they should...so...


The worst mic I have ever owned...I felt guilty selling them to another unsuspecting anonymous person...

Cool little package though...
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: digifish_music on February 17, 2009, 12:32:39 AM

The worst mic I have ever owned...I felt guilty selling them to another unsuspecting anonymous person...


What didn't you like about them?

digifish
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: bugg100 on February 17, 2009, 02:01:07 AM

The worst mic I have ever owned...I felt guilty selling them to another unsuspecting anonymous person...


What didn't you like about them?

digifish

Hey Digifish, Could we get a sample of your c2's while waiting for the specs on the c4 to show up?

Thanks!
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: digifish_music on February 17, 2009, 02:20:31 AM

The worst mic I have ever owned...I felt guilty selling them to another unsuspecting anonymous person...


What didn't you like about them?

digifish

digifish
Hey Digifish, Could we get a sample of your c2's while waiting for the specs on the c4 to show up?

Thanks!

You can listen to a field recording of some ducks here... http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=39712 :)

And the sea http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=41313 , nice way to hide self noise :P

I don't have any concerts tho. Just looking through my archives for stuff recorded with them...

Regards Scott
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: heyitsmejess on February 17, 2009, 04:27:31 AM
specs/manual here

http://cachepe.samedaymusic.com/media/C-4_P0830_M_Web_EN-59838a7d8a5730e572a5353a256c3275.pdf

Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: digifish_music on February 17, 2009, 06:10:00 AM
specs/manual here

http://cachepe.samedaymusic.com/media/C-4_P0830_M_Web_EN-59838a7d8a5730e572a5353a256c3275.pdf



...yeah but the S/N ratio is missing :?

digifish
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Roving Sign on February 17, 2009, 08:31:49 AM

The worst mic I have ever owned...I felt guilty selling them to another unsuspecting anonymous person...


What didn't you like about them?

digifish

too brash...electret-ish sound...thin...Illconditioned took one apart and published a rather dismal review of their electronics.

my only outing with them:
http://www.archive.org/details/tgo2006-07-01.behringerc2

Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Roving Sign on February 17, 2009, 08:56:19 AM
"electret sound"  ::) . . . the C4 is an externally biased condenser, as all of Behri's C range are . . . in fact, I think their only electret is the ECM8000.

And so? - Im characterising the sound...not the technology
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: illconditioned on February 17, 2009, 11:37:39 PM

The worst mic I have ever owned...I felt guilty selling them to another unsuspecting anonymous person...


What didn't you like about them?

digifish

too brash...electret-ish sound...thin...Illconditioned took one apart and published a rather dismal review of their electronics.

my only outing with them:
http://www.archive.org/details/tgo2006-07-01.behringerc2


They are an electret mic.  That is not what makes them bad.. there are a lot of good electrets out there, including many of the DPA 40xx series!  The problem is that it is a poor quality capsule, and poor quality electronics.  Not terrible, but not worth using for a recording either.  Where would I use these?  As a pair of live mics, eg., on an out of tune upright piano.  Then you don't care if they're ripped off.

  Richard
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: digifish_music on February 18, 2009, 12:16:27 AM
Heres some more C-2 recording from a pair of C-2's into a R09 sound ok to me...

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2007-11-27.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2008-08-06.flac16

...I can certainly hear the rooms in these, much bigger issue than the mics.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Roving Sign on February 18, 2009, 08:54:06 AM
You are characterizing a technology as having a sound, when it does not.  Does a Shure KSM32 sound like a DPA4061?  Do both of these mics sound like the C4?

Fine - they sound like all my old radio shack electret mics...better?? Sorry - I forget there are actually good electrets mics...

Screw it - I stand by my orginal remarks - make total sense in the context...Im sure no one was confused...
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Roving Sign on February 18, 2009, 09:08:56 AM
Heres some more C-2 recording from a pair of C-2's into a R09 sound ok to me...

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2007-11-27.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2008-08-06.flac16

...I can certainly hear the rooms in these, much bigger issue than the mics.

Sure I've got some radio shack mics that sound "ok" too...

Not to make it a contest - but I strongly recommend NEVER OWNING a pair of C-2s

I always thought it would be cool to get a C-2 kit and just use the parts...send the whole thing to Chris Church and have him basically build a pair of his mics in those bodies...cool kit if you were trying to DIY something...
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: digifish_music on February 18, 2009, 04:46:50 PM
Heres some more C-2 recording from a pair of C-2's into a R09 sound ok to me...

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2007-11-27.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2008-08-06.flac16

...I can certainly hear the rooms in these, much bigger issue than the mics.

Sure I've got some radio shack mics that sound "ok" too...

Not to make it a contest - but I strongly recommend NEVER OWNING a pair of C-2s

I always thought it would be cool to get a C-2 kit and just use the parts...send the whole thing to Chris Church and have him basically build a pair of his mics in those bodies...cool kit if you were trying to DIY something...

So you don't like my duck recording?  ;D

Although I don't use them very often, my experience differs. I am quite happy with everything I have recorded with them, being aware of the self noise issue. I spend a lot of time doing things like burying mics under a pile of seed so chickens can peck at them etc so I am glad I have a pair of reasonable sounding mics that are expendable. They definitely sound better than the internal mics in most of the portable recorders out there. 

Anyhow, this post was about the C-4's, they seem to have improved the sensitivity and so (I expect) S/N ...

digifish
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: bdasilva on February 20, 2009, 02:18:21 PM
Life is too short to record with cheap microphones. I do realize we all would like to find an  inexpensive mic set that would do the trick AND do it well...      Whats in your mic locker?
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Krispy D on February 20, 2009, 02:33:11 PM
I own a pair of mid seventies sony electrets that I LOVE!  ECM-260F to be exact.  I have made some great tapes with them and love them in the studio.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Church-Audio on February 20, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Heres some more C-2 recording from a pair of C-2's into a R09 sound ok to me...

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2007-11-27.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2008-08-06.flac16

...I can certainly hear the rooms in these, much bigger issue than the mics.

Sure I've got some radio shack mics that sound "ok" too...

Not to make it a contest - but I strongly recommend NEVER OWNING a pair of C-2s

I always thought it would be cool to get a C-2 kit and just use the parts...send the whole thing to Chris Church and have him basically build a pair of his mics in those bodies...cool kit if you were trying to DIY something...
Yeah that would be cool..... I am now modifying 1inch mics like Studio projects and AT 2020 mics and putting in real capsules :)

Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Chuck on February 20, 2009, 03:09:25 PM
Heres some more C-2 recording from a pair of C-2's into a R09 sound ok to me...

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2007-11-27.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2008-08-06.flac16

...I can certainly hear the rooms in these, much bigger issue than the mics.

Sure I've got some radio shack mics that sound "ok" too...

Not to make it a contest - but I strongly recommend NEVER OWNING a pair of C-2s

I always thought it would be cool to get a C-2 kit and just use the parts...send the whole thing to Chris Church and have him basically build a pair of his mics in those bodies...cool kit if you were trying to DIY something...
Yeah that would be cool..... I am now modifying 1inch mics like Studio projects and AT 2020 mics and putting in real capsules :)



I'd like to hear more about this...
Make the mic heads small enough to use like "actives" and you'd have a real winner. Sign me up!

Chuck
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Church-Audio on February 20, 2009, 04:02:58 PM
Heres some more C-2 recording from a pair of C-2's into a R09 sound ok to me...

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2007-11-27.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2008-08-06.flac16

...I can certainly hear the rooms in these, much bigger issue than the mics.

Sure I've got some radio shack mics that sound "ok" too...

Not to make it a contest - but I strongly recommend NEVER OWNING a pair of C-2s

I always thought it would be cool to get a C-2 kit and just use the parts...send the whole thing to Chris Church and have him basically build a pair of his mics in those bodies...cool kit if you were trying to DIY something...
Yeah that would be cool..... I am now modifying 1inch mics like Studio projects and AT 2020 mics and putting in real capsules :)



I'd like to hear more about this...
Make the mic heads small enough to use like "actives" and you'd have a real winner. Sign me up!

Chuck


I am working on that as we speak.
Chris
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Chuck on February 20, 2009, 04:03:36 PM
Now there are two different budget mics called C4.
These look promising, but I guess they all do in the beginning.
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Chuck on February 20, 2009, 04:04:23 PM


I am working on that as we speak.
Chris


 :realhappy:
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: illconditioned on February 20, 2009, 04:23:57 PM
Heres some more C-2 recording from a pair of C-2's into a R09 sound ok to me...

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2007-11-27.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2008-08-06.flac16

...I can certainly hear the rooms in these, much bigger issue than the mics.

Sure I've got some radio shack mics that sound "ok" too...

Not to make it a contest - but I strongly recommend NEVER OWNING a pair of C-2s

I always thought it would be cool to get a C-2 kit and just use the parts...send the whole thing to Chris Church and have him basically build a pair of his mics in those bodies...cool kit if you were trying to DIY something...
Yeah that would be cool..... I am now modifying 1inch mics like Studio projects and AT 2020 mics and putting in real capsules :)



I'd like to hear more about this...
Make the mic heads small enough to use like "actives" and you'd have a real winner. Sign me up!

Chuck


I am working on that as we speak.
Chris

Hey Chris,

Sounds good.  If you get a chance, I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of the AT2000 series capsule.

  Richard
Title: Re: NEW: Behringer C4 cardioid pencil condenser pair
Post by: Church-Audio on February 20, 2009, 04:28:13 PM
Heres some more C-2 recording from a pair of C-2's into a R09 sound ok to me...

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2007-11-27.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gertrude2008-08-06.flac16

...I can certainly hear the rooms in these, much bigger issue than the mics.

Sure I've got some radio shack mics that sound "ok" too...

Not to make it a contest - but I strongly recommend NEVER OWNING a pair of C-2s

I always thought it would be cool to get a C-2 kit and just use the parts...send the whole thing to Chris Church and have him basically build a pair of his mics in those bodies...cool kit if you were trying to DIY something...
Yeah that would be cool..... I am now modifying 1inch mics like Studio projects and AT 2020 mics and putting in real capsules :)



I'd like to hear more about this...
Make the mic heads small enough to use like "actives" and you'd have a real winner. Sign me up!

Chuck


I am working on that as we speak.
Chris

Hey Chris,

Sounds good.  If you get a chance, I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of the AT2000 series capsule.

  Richard


The 2020 is a TS-160 capsule