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interesting....much more complicated than I had originally thought.

So the ideal way to run a mix is to separately record all sources then mix in post? I have 2 recorders so getting two sources down is no trouble, I'm just not real stoked about the un-exact science of mixing, at least it's new to me.
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the above tascam seems like it's what I'm looking for....i realize it only mixes down to two tracks, but those two tracks are a mix of the 4 input channel correct? Since I'd be recording two sources and mixing down to a two track recording it just seems like it would save lots of time and be easier. I'm not an audio tech guy, I'm in healthcare for work, but I'd like to be able to pull of a decent live mix for the bands I can catch. Am I way off on the DP-008? It would seem that would be the solution I'm looking for as far as price, size, & tech level.
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Disco,

You're better off spending that $150 on a second small recorder just for the SBD.  Make your matrix tapes in Post...  Much easier, and you'll get the levels the way you want...  I tried to do Mat tapes with my UA5 all the time and quit - I could never get it right on the fly...

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yep. I track mine and then lline them up in post. I run stage lip or in front of the monitors, plus sbd feed, plus aud mics in the back. If I don't line tem you, it's plauged with phase issues and cavernous sound. If your going to do live mixing, you really have to be on the same plane or darn close,  with the same cable run length as the sound guys to get good results. Ilm working on a festival now where I ran 10 cannels if you want to hear what it sounds lie.

on top that, imo you will have a hard time mixing in a high spl environment. You'll need really good isolation cans or you'll crank the volume really high and destroy your ears. Just things to think about. :)

I think you're overstating the drawbacks here and stifling experimentation with your tact...

"plagued"? And then taking this down to minutia like cable length...?

Give the fellow some useful advice...not just "buy another rig"...he referenced a 150 dollar mixer...doubt he's ready to jump into a 1000 dollar rig...

I've used a device similar to the one Disco references with acceptable results...Sorry I dont think any of the recordings I posted suck...or have anything "plaguing" them that makes them unlistenable...

Yeah some good headphones are in order...


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Disco,

You're better off spending that $150 on a second small recorder just for the SBD.  Make your matrix tapes in Post...  Much easier, and you'll get the levels the way you want...  I tried to do Mat tapes with my UA5 all the time and quit - I could never get it right on the fly...

Terry

Thats because the UA5 has sucky metering and is not a great unit to be going OTF with...and matrixing in post is huge PITA if you record a lot...some scenarios - just do it live...
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Disco,

You're better off spending that $150 on a second small recorder just for the SBD.  Make your matrix tapes in Post...  Much easier, and you'll get the levels the way you want...  I tried to do Mat tapes with my UA5 all the time and quit - I could never get it right on the fly...

Terry

i do have 2 recorders, I picked up a second one for the very reason of trying to mix sbd/aud in post. I'm not getting the best results with it and I was wondering if I could get a recorder that would give me an easy mix down that didn't require much after the show. I've run the two recorders on a couple occasions, I guess I'll just need to put some more effort into learning the process of mixing.
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yep. I track mine and then lline them up in post. I run stage lip or in front of the monitors, plus sbd feed, plus aud mics in the back. If I don't line tem you, it's plauged with phase issues and cavernous sound. If your going to do live mixing, you really have to be on the same plane or darn close,  with the same cable run length as the sound guys to get good results. Ilm working on a festival now where I ran 10 cannels if you want to hear what it sounds lie.

on top that, imo you will have a hard time mixing in a high spl environment. You'll need really good isolation cans or you'll crank the volume really high and destroy your ears. Just things to think about. :)

I think you're overstating the drawbacks here and stifling experimentation with your tact...

"plagued"? And then taking this down to minutia like cable length...?

Give the fellow some useful advice...not just "buy another rig"...he referenced a 150 dollar mixer...doubt he's ready to jump into a 1000 dollar rig...

I've used a device similar to the one Disco references with acceptable results...Sorry I dont think any of the recordings I posted suck...or have anything "plaguing" them that makes them unlistenable...

Yeah some good headphones are in order...

Runonce says you should be fine doing what you stated in a previous post I guess?

"I've been taping small venues that I can usually patch into the sbd and set up my mic stand near the sbd cage"

Have at er. Spend your $150 on the mixer and then when you discover on your own that this doesn't make a very good recording, you can toss it in a closet like the one I have thats filled with stuff I gave a go at, but then found out it won't work well. Please be aware that a closet like this, if your married, will become a very big source of contention for your wife. I wish I had been stifled on tapersection before I bought a lot of this crap, a Edirol M-10DX mixer specifically in reference to this thread.

The problem your probably running into with the two recorders is that they aren't synched either. The clocks run at different speeds. You need to get yourself some post production software that will let you time stretch or cut it up and line up the two sources to make them match.

it's a pain either way you look at it unfortunately, but at least if you use two recordings, the worst that will happen is you'll have a usable sbd, and a usable aud and not an unsynched aud/sbd source that you can never fix. I have a whole festival thats like that that I've never listened too from when I started taping :) If I were you, I'd save up and get an R-44 or something of the like. It makes life so much easier for doing stuff like this.

The mixer would work nicely if you wanted to run your cards and omni's from the same location on one recorder, then get the sbd on another though. Thats an avenue you make take a look at. Good luck

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yep. I track mine and then lline them up in post. I run stage lip or in front of the monitors, plus sbd feed, plus aud mics in the back. If I don't line tem you, it's plauged with phase issues and cavernous sound. If your going to do live mixing, you really have to be on the same plane or darn close,  with the same cable run length as the sound guys to get good results. Ilm working on a festival now where I ran 10 cannels if you want to hear what it sounds lie.

on top that, imo you will have a hard time mixing in a high spl environment. You'll need really good isolation cans or you'll crank the volume really high and destroy your ears. Just things to think about. :)

I think you're overstating the drawbacks here and stifling experimentation with your tact...

"plagued"? And then taking this down to minutia like cable length...?

Give the fellow some useful advice...not just "buy another rig"...he referenced a 150 dollar mixer...doubt he's ready to jump into a 1000 dollar rig...

I've used a device similar to the one Disco references with acceptable results...Sorry I dont think any of the recordings I posted suck...or have anything "plaguing" them that makes them unlistenable...

Yeah some good headphones are in order...

Runonce says you should be fine doing what you stated in a previous post I guess?

"I've been taping small venues that I can usually patch into the sbd and set up my mic stand near the sbd cage"


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maybe I should state my intention then let the pieces fall where they may...

I've been taping small venues that I can usually patch into the sbd and set up my mic stand near the sbd cage. I'd like to be able to make an on the fly mix that requires nothing but tracking or small editing after the fact.
The reason/thoughts for running a second set of microphones would be to run my Card's and Omni's on the same pole (thinking this will give me a "better" recording than just one of the sets) and to have those mixed with the sbd. I've seen a few recorders that can handle two sources and mix to one but thought it might be a nice option to have a third input if needed (back to the mixer linked in the OP)
I currently have 2 recorders so I thought purchasing just a mixer would save a lil' $$ and not duplicate something I already have 2 of. Thanks fellas....
Since you have 2 recorders (2 channels each I'm assuming) you could use the mixer to combine the 2 sets of mics as long as they are in the same location. Then you could record the SBD with the other recorder. Then you make a matrix in post. If done right, you should be very pleased with the results. It's the post mixing that's the trick. You will most likely need to time align and speed correct the sources to sync them properly. Once you get used to it, it's not too difficult.

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One solution for you would be to get a Tascam DR2d and run stereo SBD plus stereo room mics. You can take the resulting two stereo files and mix them together fairly easily by adding ~ 1millisecond per foot to the SBD source to time align it with your room source. Or on the same recorder you can mix on the fly if that is to your liking.


I never liked the results of on the fly mixing live. Even if I record at the stage lip I end up adding enough delay to one source to "move the mics" into the center of the drum kit. Otherwise I get bad comb filtering issues in the bass octaves.

To directly answer the question in the OP.... have a Yamaha MG10/2 ( I guess is an earlier model of the same mixer) that I picked up for 50 bucks used. It is fairly quiet and has a lot of features for the price. I use it as a router for my playback system. I can hook up my Firebox, soundcard, disc player  and/or any of my recorders and route them however I like to my amp and headphones.

I've been very impressed with the sound quality of the little thing even the headphone amp sounds good with my Sennheiser cans.

But I wouldn't try to mix in a live environment with it unless it was all direct feeds from the SBD and I had some isolation.
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