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24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« on: June 24, 2003, 12:05:47 AM »
Which is better to do first, and why?


Also, could someone give easy steps for both in WaveLab?


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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2003, 12:17:16 AM »
Which is better to do first, and why?



I'm not much help w/Wavelab...I'm used to soundforge 6.

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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2003, 12:27:11 AM »
I'm not much help w/Wavelab...I'm used to soundforge 6.  

Same here. I heard that WaveLab's resample & dither are better than SF and would like to cut out an extra app if I can.

Any specific reason as to why its better to dither first then resample?
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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2003, 12:48:02 AM »
Dither first, then re-sample.

No, no, NO! Sorry to sound like a dick about this, but this is incorrect. You always want to work at the highest bit-depth possible. Any calculations you do (like resampling, normalizing, plugins, ANYTHING) are more accurate when done at the higher bit depth.

Dithering is the LAST step before mastering a CD.
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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2003, 01:21:45 AM »
definately resample first, than dither.
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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2003, 10:35:54 AM »
Agreed...  Resample, then Dither...

Any processing that is to occur should happen in the 24-bit realm... That is, normalizing, limiting, etc.

Additionally, multiple passed of dithering should never be applied as you're only going to negate the benefits of dithering in the first place.  I can't think of a good reason why anyone would want to do that anyway, but Apogee makes that point very clear in all of their documentation.
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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2003, 12:02:30 PM »
YES!  do all editing first (normalization, compression, etc), then resample, then last step should be bit reduction (dither).
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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2003, 01:37:51 PM »
Can someone fill me in on how to actually dither the music in wavelab?  I know how to apply the dither when music is played back it will be dithered, but how do you actually apply this dither to the entire file and save it as 16 bit?
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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2003, 02:21:48 PM »
On the right side of the screen in the default configuration is the plugin chain. The last one of those three panels should have dithering controls. Select UV22HR and 16-bit in the popup pane, and then hit the button in that panel (I think it's the "Render" button). It will prompt you for a location to save the dithered file - make sure you choose to dither the entire file, not just the selection.

I'm not writing this with WaveLab in front of me, so I may have messed up some of the terms.

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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2003, 05:24:34 PM »
On the right side of the screen in the default configuration is the plugin chain. The last one of those three panels should have dithering controls. Select UV22HR and 16-bit in the popup pane, and then hit the button in that panel (I think it's the "Render" button). It will prompt you for a location to save the dithered file - make sure you choose to dither the entire file, not just the selection.

I'm not writing this with WaveLab in front of me, so I may have messed up some of the terms.

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So, if I'm understaing you correctly... I can go from 96/48@24 > 44.1@16 in one fell swoop?

Otherwise, how does one resample in WaveLab?
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Re:24 > 16 bit & 96/48 > 44.1
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2003, 05:35:39 PM »
you must resample in a seperate step.  the convert sample rate command is found under the process menu at the top of the screen.
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