Topic: ad-1000 set up questions

[stober]

Hey now, I just recently got an ad-1000 .I have never run one of these so a little help with were I should be would be cool.I currently run 4023>m148> so thats what will be in front of the ad-1000.Also whats the best bag for this thing.I have seen people with those rakgear bags but were using mini-me's.I know this ad-1000 is suposed to get hot so would the rakgear bag work?Any input would be apperiated.Thanks

[heath]

i run my ad1k in the back portion of the rackgear bag standing vertically.  I think i posted pics...i'll search for them.  It gets way hot, but enough to be an overwhelming cause for alarm.

if i don't use the rackgear bag, I run it outside of whatever bag i bring, sitting inside the wodden case i bought for it. 

[heath]

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=5774;start=msg61284#msg61284

[marc0789]

if you can't get a wooden case, a good option is to buy some packing foam, and cut it to fit the back end of the ad1k, so that there is room for the cables to exit without bending. and put it in the bag so that there's not much around it, so the vents can breathe.

4023>m148>1k. drools.  

[dmonterisi]

don't mean to rain on your parade, but didn't Mic D have trouble getting enough gain out of the 148>1k setup with his 4022's?

[heath]

can't remember.  I've had no gain problems yet with km184>m148>ad1k, but then again, I've really only run it fob for the Truckers, so gain really wasn't an issue 

[marc0789]

don't mean to rain on your parade, but didn't Mic D have trouble getting enough gain out of the 148>1k setup with his 4022's?

good point. I realized when I read your post that I never ran a 1k behind the oade. However, Eric Swanson is doing it, and has had no problems. I imagine you might struggle a bit for gain running for acoustic shows (I did even when running an eaa>1k) but still enough to get by. So I think it'd be ok, as long as you run at the hottest line in gain on the 1k.

[marc0789]

well couldn't you just add a third big box and get that extra gain that the v3 gives me in even the quietest shows?

it also gives you some nifty digital hiss when run way up, Moke.  Ask Skalinder about that.

[Tim]

well couldn't you just add a third big box and get that extra gain that the v3 gives me in even the quietest shows?

it also gives you some nifty digital hiss when run way up, Moke.  Ask Skalinder about that.

huh? I've got some of moke's acoustic tapes where he is running the V3 literally WIDE open and there's no noise... I'd guess you have a bad V3 if it gets noisy and high gain levels

edot: what moke said

[marc0789]

well couldn't you just add a third big box and get that extra gain that the v3 gives me in even the quietest shows?

it also gives you some nifty digital hiss when run way up, Moke.  Ask Skalinder about that.

huh? I've got some of moke's acoustic tapes where he is running the V3 literally WIDE open and there's no noise... I'd guess you have a bad V3 if it gets noisy and high gain levels

edot: what moke said

skalinder ran a sx-m2 in front of the v3 for a del mccoury show, and loud hiss is present. maybe the sonosax? he'd have a better idea than I would. I do know that Eric Swanson ran it wide open for unamplified music and noticed tons of noisy artifacts. probably ask those guys.

[Brian Skalinder]

skalinder ran a sx-m2 in front of the v3 for a del mccoury show, and loud hiss is present. maybe the sonosax?

Definitely the Sax.  I've run both the V3 and SX-M2/LS2 > V3 wide f-ing open.  The V3 alone proved very, very quiet.  (And so did the T+ Ua5, for that matter.)  Running SX-M2/LS2 at 0dB > V3 to crank the gain proved quite noisy.  I first thought it was the HVAC system, but it's not variable enough - gotta be noise from the SX-M2/LS2.  Most of the time, it doesn't matter since I use the /LS2 in LOUD situations with minimal gain.

[johnw]

I have seen people with those rakgear bags but were using mini-me's.I know this ad-1000 is suposed to get hot so would the rakgear bag work?Any input would be apperiated.Thanks

This is what I have my MiniMe in. Should fit into about any backpack and I'd imagine it would be fine with the AD1K.

[stober]

thanks guys .I do know with my dpas it might be iffy at some shows with the gain cause I know it takes alot to get my levels right.FOB at a loud show I'm sure I'll be fine.and it did come with a wooden case

[marc0789]

skalinder ran a sx-m2 in front of the v3 for a del mccoury show, and loud hiss is present. maybe the sonosax?

Definitely the Sax.  I've run both the V3 and SX-M2/LS2 > V3 wide f-ing open.  The V3 alone proved very, very quiet.  (And so did the T+ Ua5, for that matter.)  Running SX-M2/LS2 at 0dB > V3 to crank the gain proved quite noisy.  I first thought it was the HVAC system, but it's not variable enough - gotta be noise from the SX-M2/LS2.  Most of the time, it doesn't matter since I use the /LS2 in LOUD situations with minimal gain.

brian, that makes sense. my bad. and most definitely not HVAC noise. it was kinda surprising, because if anything, grace products are clean.

[marc0789]

enjoy...I'm gonna go out on an opinion limb and say that this might be the finest sounding small diaphragm cardioid rig you can run.

[dmonterisi]

enjoy...I'm gonna go out on an opinion limb and say that this might be the finest sounding small diaphragm cardioid rig you can run.

dry and dusty?

[marc0789]

enjoy...I'm gonna go out on an opinion limb and say that this might be the finest sounding small diaphragm cardioid rig you can run.

dry and dusty?

is that what you think of all those brothers/kinder/smiley productions? mine?   


Marc = head up ass. duh, those guys ran eaa and not m148. and I still think the drums can sound a bit dry, but that's a minor complaint.

[dmonterisi]

enjoy...I'm gonna go out on an opinion limb and say that this might be the finest sounding small diaphragm cardioid rig you can run.

dry and dusty?

is that what you think of all those brothers/kinder/smiley productions? mine?   

nah...you were the one that used to call the 148 dry and dusty in the low-end til you had some kind of come to jesus moment with it.

[todd e]

brent,

welcome aboard.  we run the m248 in front of all the apogee a>d's.

we've gotten some of the wooden boxes made up for the heat issue, but you don't really need it unless you are FOB with the disco biscuits or something like that.
we run the big apogee 500 and 1000 in the wooden box in a porta-brace bag.  The nice part about these bags is the clear window on top, so you can read levels and not have to open the bag. 

http://www.portabrace.com/landing_product_category.php?id=54
    Audio Organizer Case
(AO-1.5X) AUDIO ORGANIZER helps you group a mixer, audio recorder, wireless microphone receiver and transmitter, battery, tape headphones and more.

[marc0789]

enjoy...I'm gonna go out on an opinion limb and say that this might be the finest sounding small diaphragm cardioid rig you can run.

dry and dusty?

is that what you think of all those brothers/kinder/smiley productions? mine?   

nah...you were the one that used to call the 148 dry and dusty in the low-end til you had some kind of come to jesus moment with it.

ah, yes....my past comes back to haunt me once again. See, now that I run it, the m148 is transparent and detailed, yet warm, and what I once thought was a "dry" low end is just "punchy".

I am a stupid jackass. of course those guys ran 4021>eaa>adk and not 148.

[ethan]

Hey now, I just recently got an ad-1000 .I have never run one of these so a little help with were I should be would be cool.I currently run 4023>m148> so thats what will be in front of the ad-1000.Also whats the best bag for this thing.I have seen people with those rakgear bags but were using mini-me's.I know this ad-1000 is suposed to get hot so would the rakgear bag work?Any input would be apperiated.Thanks

I do not recommend running it in any bag unless you want to burn it up. Heat kills these things. I keep mine in the open on top of my pelican case that I transport it in. Air flow is critical.

[stober]

enjoy...I'm gonna go out on an opinion limb and say that this might be the finest sounding small diaphragm cardioid rig you can run.

[Nick's Picks]

just remember to flip the grilled cheese at setbreak...
those suckers do get hot.  but they sound just as hot as they feel.

long live....

[Mic D]

Here's how I ran my ad1k. The rack I made for it kept it well ventilated. I would unzip both sides of the bag usually half way for extra air. I agree with ethan, heat will take the life out of it so what ever you use, make sure  it can breath.

PS: I could not get quite enough gain when I ran 4022>m148>ad1k (switched over to schoeps same show, location, etc, and everything was fine). I could have possibly been doing something wrong on my end, but 4022's are low output mics, and 20db's is all you're getting out of the m148. 

[stober]

Here's how I ran my ad1k. The rack I made for it kept it well ventilated. I would unzip both sides of the bag usually half way for extra air. I agree with ethan, heat will take the life out of it so what ever you use, make sure  it can breath.

PS: I could not get quite enough gain when I ran 4022>m148>ad1k (switched over to schoeps same show, location, etc, and everything was fine). I could have possibly been doing something wrong on my end, but 4022's are low output mics, and 20db's is all you're getting out of the m148. 

how many times did you run 4022>m148>adk1.Just once?

[marc0789]

the only thing I can think of is that you really gotta run -10 and not +4 on the ad1k when you run low fixed gain into it. 20 db ought to be enough, 'cause I think that's fairly analogous to what the eaa put out at its' lowest setting and I never had issues running 4022>eaa>adk. yes, the dpas are low output, but not that low.

[ethan]

the only thing I can think of is that you really gotta run -10 and not +4 on the ad1k when you run low fixed gain into it. 20 db ought to be enough, 'cause I think that's fairly analogous to what the eaa put out at its' lowest setting and I never had issues running 4022>eaa>adk. yes, the dpas are low output, but not that low.

ding! I forgot about the -10 +4 options. This makes sense as I'll often have 35 gain on my V2 running at the +4 setting with my 4011's

-e

[Mic D]

Here's how I ran my ad1k. The rack I made for it kept it well ventilated. I would unzip both sides of the bag usually half way for extra air. I agree with ethan, heat will take the life out of it so what ever you use, make sure it can breath.

PS: I could not get quite enough gain when I ran 4022>m148>ad1k (switched over to schoeps same show, location, etc, and everything was fine). I could have possibly been doing something wrong on my end, but 4022's are low output mics, and 20db's is all you're getting out of the m148.

how many times did you run 4022>m148>adk1.Just once?

Yes. +4 was way too low and -10 was'nt quite enough.

[jacallery]

Stober, I have a rack/cage I built that I my old ADK is in.  It is white shelving with rubber pads to hold the A/D
and zip ties to hold it all together.  You can have it if you want.  I can snap some pics too.

...I ran 4022>m148>ADK for a while a few years ago.  I rarely had problems getting enough gain, and I used the -10 always.  I just turned the l/r dials all the way up and backed them off a millimeter or so.  I never taped any acoustic shows though, either on-stage or bars>theaters.
I made some decent tapes, I just never really made a tape I loved with the 4022's...to each his own.

callery

you could always use the mic gain on the ADK if you had to, but I probably wouldn't. I think I'd add a few db in post first.

[ethan]

Here's how I ran my ad1k. The rack I made for it kept it well ventilated. I would unzip both sides of the bag usually half way for extra air. I agree with ethan, heat will take the life out of it so what ever you use, make sure it can breath.

PS: I could not get quite enough gain when I ran 4022>m148>ad1k (switched over to schoeps same show, location, etc, and everything was fine). I could have possibly been doing something wrong on my end, but 4022's are low output mics, and 20db's is all you're getting out of the m148.

how many times did you run 4022>m148>adk1.Just once?

Yes. +4 was way too low and -10 was'nt quite enough.

hmm...something doesn't seem right. Do the 4022's have a -10dB pad like 4011's? Maybe you have yours engaged and don't know it. Do you use the soft limit? If so that could be your problem as it engages at a factory default of like 6dB. This can be calibrated btw. I calibrated mine to kick in about -1.5db but now I've stopped using it when I run in the section because with the V3 I can dial things in.

-e

[stober]

The Dpa's 40xx are low output mics.I owned a pair of 4011's a few years ago and they were the same way.No built in pad or soft limit.

[Swanny]

I run it on the positive 10 or 20 and adjust with the LR trim knobs. The DPA's need the extra gain...

[stober]

I run it on the positive 10 or 20 and adjust with the LR trim knobs. The DPA's need the extra gain...

so are you going through the mic gain stage?

[ethan]

The Dpa's 40xx are low output mics.I owned a pair of 4011's a few years ago and they were the same way.No built in pad or soft limit.

The 4011's have a pad . Inside the end of the mic boday where you connect the XLR's there's a smal white button in there that can be pressed to set the pad.

-e

[stober]

The Dpa's 40xx are low output mics.I owned a pair of 4011's a few years ago and they were the same way.No built in pad or soft limit.

The 4011's have a pad . Inside the end of the mic boday where you connect the XLR's there's a smal white button in there that can be pressed to set the pad.

-e

Damn I owned a pair for a couple years and never noticed .I can't imagine those needing a pad

[stober]

Well I ran 4023>m148>ad-1000 last night for Les Claypool and barley had enough gain for were I like to be.I definatly couldnt run this combo for bluegrass or something from the section.My tapes sound great.Very happy I had it set to -10 and turned the gains up all the way.I still was a little off from were I like it, but thats all the gain I could get without going through the mic gain on the ad-1000.FOB is the ONLY way to run this combo and it needs to be loud.

[jacallery]

Have you thought about checking with Doug Oade and see if he can give the m148 more gain.
I'm not sure what it would take , but if he could up it to 25db instead of 20db.

just a thought

[stober]

Have you thought about checking with Doug Oade and see if he can give the m148 more gain.
I'm not sure what it would take , but if he could up it to 25db instead of 20db.

just a thought

Good idea.I think I read somewhere that someone had one that was +30

[dmonterisi]

is there a reason not to run the ADK through the mic gain?  the signal should be going through the same gain path but mic gain should add more gain.  or does switching to mic gain automatically turn on phantom or something?

[Swanny]

I run through the mic gain to get good levels. The Phantom is switchable. I haven't noticed a difference either way, not like the Mini Me... but I do have the Platinum version

[stober]

I run through the mic gain to get good levels. The Phantom is switchable. I haven't noticed a difference either way, not like the Mini Me... but I do have the Platinum version

After running this combo fob at a loud show I would agree that for dpa's your gonna have to go through the mic gain stage if its not real loud to get good levels.Swanny I would like to hear some of your tapes with this setup.The place I taped the Duo and Claypool in last night was probually one of the worst sounding venues in town and my tapes sound great.Definatly my best pull at that place.

[Mic D]

The place I taped the Duo and Claypool in last night was probually one of the worst sounding venues in town and my tapes sound great.Definatly my best pull at that place.

Seed the Duo.

[stober]

The place I taped the Duo and Claypool in last night was probually one of the worst sounding venues in town and my tapes sound great.Definatly my best pull at that place.

Seed the Duo.

will do.

[Tim]

there is one m118 going around that has had a 10db boost button added by Doug

[stober]

there is one m118 going around that has had a 10db boost button added by Doug

Thats  probually what I remember hearing.

[Tim]

btw - congrats on the ad1k... I loved my ad500e, I'm an old school apogee fluffer for sure...

[marc0789]

there is one m118 going around that has had a 10db boost button added by Doug

Thats  probually what I remember hearing.

that's Rich Skaggs', and it actually wasn't a 118 until Doug got his hands back on it. The thing had apparently been making the rounds as a 118, but was actually a custom phantom source Doug built around 92 or so.....Rich had sent it in for a tuneup, and found out it wasn't a 118. Amazingly, Doug agreed to mod it into a 118 for a really nominal cost! So it now is a 118, but the 10db boost is no more.

[stober]

there is one m118 going around that has had a 10db boost button added by Doug

Spoke to Doug today and because of the m148's design it cant be modded to give anymore gain than the +20. :'(The 118's were different.I did learn a few facts today about the m148 and the (mod) sbm-1 that I didn't know before.He made the m148 to accomadate the sound of Schoeps.And the mod he did for the sbm-1 (warm mod,line stage upgrade) was done to accomadate the m148 sound.

[Nick's Picks]

I believe originaly...that the m118 was designed to combat/compliment the (imo) harsh tinnyness of the CMC4 mic body.
I've not heard that from anyone..but always figured that he built these around the schoeps mic, and that he addressed the sound appropriatly.  Adding warmth and punch was a big deal for a cmc4/mk4. 
I dont find it so necessary for cmc6 mics though, and find that newer scheops > m148 recordings sound a little "thick" to me.

[marc0789]

I believe originaly...that the m118 was designed to combat/compliment the (imo) harsh tinnyness of the CMC4 mic body.
I've not heard that from anyone..but always figured that he built these around the schoeps mic, and that he addressed the sound appropriatly.  Adding warmth and punch was a big deal for a cmc4/mk4. 
I dont find it so necessary for cmc6 mics though, and find that newer scheops > m148 recordings sound a little "thick" to me.

tend to agree about mk4, but very nice with omnis and 41's, and I'd imagine that the hf boost on the verticals would make them a nice match too.

[marc0789]

there is one m118 going around that has had a 10db boost button added by Doug

Spoke to Doug today and because of the m148's design it cant be modded to give anymore gain than the +20. :'(The 118's were different.I did learn a few facts today about the m148 and the (mod) sbm-1 that I didn't know before.He made the m148 to accomadate the sound of Schoeps.And the mod he did for the sbm-1 (warm mod,line stage upgrade) was done to accomadate the m148 sound.

yeah, think the modsbm1 does a nice job preserving the m148 sound...though I do think I lose a touch of detail I would otherwise have out of the dpas. Not a lot, but noticeable.

[scb]

marc, you just need to pick up a cheap ad1k with a busted workdclock and another unit that can give a wordclock out and you'd have a 1k working fine forever...

[marc0789]

marc, you just need to pick up a cheap ad1k with a busted workdclock and another unit that can give a wordclock out and you'd have a 1k working fine forever...

what I really need to do is run 4022>m148>722 and ditch the sbm1. I promised myself that my new years resolution is to get this done, though I have to wait until the dust settles from the move back to Phoenix next month.

The Schoeps don't have the detail to lose, but the dpas do.

[scb]

back to phoenix?  tired of the cold?

[marc0789]

back to phoenix?  tired of the cold?

yes. the damp weather is a bitch on my back.

[scb]

hopefully the heat dies a bit by the time you get there.  that looks ridiculous right now

[marc0789]

hopefully the heat dies a bit by the time you get there.  that looks ridiculous right now

yeah, this is crazy weather even for Phoenix....about to "cool down" to around 105 though. but hey, it's a dry heat.

[Nick's Picks]

i'll take a dry 105 over a dank 90 any day.

[ethan]

It's 102 right now outside here in Longmont Colorado and it's not even 1pm...

Very unusual for CO

[marc0789]

i'll take a dry 105 over a dank 90 any day.

no question, I'd even go a dry 110. It's been dank and 90 here for a couple of weeks, nasty stuff.

[Mic D]

i'll take a dry 105 over a dank 90 any day.

Me too...