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small pre amp needed!
« on: April 16, 2012, 07:59:41 AM »
Hi!

I´m looking for a really small pre-amp with mini plug in/out. What´s my choices here?

Thanks
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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 08:34:53 AM »
Hi!

I´m looking for a really small pre-amp with mini plug in/out. What´s my choices here?

Thanks
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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 10:37:24 AM »
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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 11:34:22 AM »
Hi!

I´m looking for a really small pre-amp with mini plug in/out. What´s my choices here?

Thanks
N.

CA Ugly, CA 9100, Naiant Tinybox, there are more.  But, these are from our resident builders.

It gets no smaller than the CA Ugly... and what an incredible little thing it is!! I've been using Chris's products for over half a decade now and though I no longer own it, I once owned the CA-Ugly and really enjoyed it's extremely stealthability.  Price is very right, size is very right, and Chris build incredibly quality.

I have a Naiant Midbox, I was lucky enough to be among those to scoop the newly upgraded design during those few weeks that he was making them before he discontinued that product.  Jon is also a joy to work with and the midbox I have is a workhouse-- very clean, very pretty, and very useful.  I don't know anything about the tinybox but could only assume it's the same quality.

Judging by the thread title, size is an issue for you.  That being said, I'd look into the Church Audio CA-Ugly... it's awesome!
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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 11:56:10 AM »
Yes, something the size of the CA-ugly is what I´m looking for.

Is there some other pres in that size (not incinuating I wouldn´t go for a second CA-Ugly, just want to know what options there are!) :P

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Hypers: AKG CK93s (modded), SP CMC-8, AT853, Audix 1280s (Church actives).


INBETWEEN: Naiant Tinybox (CMR mod), Naiant Tinybox (p48 mod), Naiant PFA, CA-9100, CA Ugly, Denecke PS-2 mini, MM-MBM, MM-CBM, SP SPSB-8, custom nuetrik XLR to TRS cables, 5 pin to 5 pin extension cable. 

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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 12:45:58 AM »
So far as I'm aware, Chris's CA-Ugly is in a class all its own.
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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 12:50:44 AM »
So far as I'm aware, Chris's CA-Ugly is in a class all its own.

This.

If you need something that small, thats it.
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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 04:57:02 AM »
I think Microphone Madness makes a pretty small pre.  guysonic too, come to think of it...

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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2012, 05:25:39 PM »
I think Microphone Madness makes a pretty small pre.  guysonic too, come to think of it...

Microphone Madness (now MM Audio) makes preamps that look like those made by Sound Pro's. Not nearly as small as a CA-UGLY.

Guy does great work, but his preamps only work with his mics which have way different PIP specs than any other PIP mic.
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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2012, 09:46:05 PM »
Tinybox
hands down imo
if you need other inputs/options then its a def winner
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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 08:58:45 AM »
Microphone Madness (now MM Audio) makes preamps that look like those made by Sound Pro's. Not nearly as small as a CA-UGLY.

Guy does great work, but his preamps only work with his mics which have way different PIP specs than any other PIP mic.

I wasn't sure if guysonic's pres were only for his mics, but the thought did cross my mind.  Thanks for clearing that up for me...

Personally, I think the Ugly is kind of a useless product, regardless of size, if you are using a recorder with a decent mic input (like an M10).  I feel the same about the 9100...20 dB just gets you back to around mic input levels, so it's useful if your only goal is to avoid a noisy mic input, but otherwise doesn't serve much purpose...I would prefer any other pre mentioned in this thread (including the 9200).

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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 10:50:07 AM »
I am coming out with a new preamp in the next 4 weeks it will be the same size as the ugly but it will have up to 40 db of gain and a single 6 position gain switch on and off with be via the mic input when a mic is plugged in it will be on. I have secured some very tiny knobs for the gain control. It will have the same exact functionality as my 9200 preamp but the same size as the ugly. It will not have a HPF. I am going to sell this for $179.99 there will be no tools needed to adjust gain in the field.


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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 10:55:46 AM »
That should prove to be a very popular product here....
AT853's (all caps)/CM-300 Franken Naks (CP-1,2,3)/JBMod Nak 700's (CP-701,702) > Tascam DR-680
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 11:22:32 AM »
^^^  Indeed.  Much more useful, in my opinion, with the 40 dB of (more easily adjustable) gain.

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Re: small pre amp needed!
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 07:34:00 PM »
Cant wait Chris :)
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