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I currently have a Macbook Pro (early 2011) with Adobe Soundbooth as my DAW.
I'm running into issues editing large 24/96 files because my SSD on the Macbook is only 128gb, and I keep running out of space and getting the message "your start up disc is almost full, please delete some files to free up more space".  I already have all of my music on external drives - what's taking up space is programs and content that needs to stay on it for work stuff. I believe that Soundbooth is requiring large chunks of my 128gb SSD for clipboard space when I open .wav files into the program for editing.  (In general, I'm not completely enamored with Soundbooth, btw).

So, If I stick with this Macbook for working with audio files, I will need to change out the SSD for a much larger one. Another less pressing issue is that I only have two USB 2.0 ports, one Firewire, and one Thunderbolt port. USB 2.0 is not that fast, so I would need to upgrade my external drives to thunderbolt (kind of expensive) if I want fast transfer rates. Also, I was considering finding something better than Adobe Soundbooth CS5...

Considering the expense involved with upgrading my early 2011 Macbook, I'm wondering if it might just be a good time to start fresh with a new machine - either another (newer) Mac, or maybe even just get a new PC that would be primarily geared for working with audio files.

So I guess I'm looking for opinions as to which machine is better for audio editing (Mac or PC) and what program do you think is best?

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2015, 09:26:38 AM »
either or is just perfectly capable for audio editing.
IMNSHO your paying for the name with apple. So I vote pc. I don't work on laptops either though.
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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2015, 12:13:03 PM »
You can find the 240-256GB SSD drives for about $100 now (just wait for one to go on sale, happens pretty frequently).

That seems a worthwhile upgrade to me. 
About a year ago, I was debating upgrading to a new machine from my 2009 13" Macbook Pro.  Instead I bought a new SSD and a new battery, and have no regrets.

If you like working on a Mac, this is what I'd recommend.  Even my older Core2Duo machine is perfectly capable of complex audio editing and conversions.

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2015, 12:20:37 PM »
You can always get an external HD and work from there. Im on a 2012 MBP, coming from an XP machine and would never look back. Planning on upgrading my RAM to 8gb at some point soon...
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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2015, 08:48:16 PM »
You can always get an external HD and work from there. Im on a 2012 MBP, coming from an XP machine and would never look back. Planning on upgrading my RAM to 8gb at some point soon...

Greenmtnsrider: what audio editing program are you using with your MBP?
                         
                         
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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2015, 01:37:40 PM »
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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2015, 06:48:51 PM »
1) your MBP should have more than enough "juice" to handle the tasks you're throwing at it.  If you're otherwise happy with it, I'd consider following the advice above and upgrading the SSD to a larger one (I'd consider going with a 500mb one if you can swing it).  Also, if your MBP has an internal superdrive (CD/DVD) and you don't use it much, there are kits available that allow you to replace the superdrive with an internal hard drive -- If this describes your setup, you could do well adding a multi-terabyte internal hard drive to your computer while you're at it, as this would avoid the usb2 speed bottleneck.

2) as for external drives, there's a recent thread in the team mac forum (teams section of this board) that discussed another mac owner's experience buying and using a multi-drive thunderbolt enclosure -- this would likely require you to open up your external drives' cases to remove the drives themselves, but this isn't too difficult to do.

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2015, 02:17:27 AM »
Great suggestions - I did not know about the kit to replace the dvd drive.
I know a guy that builds and sells Macs for a living - I'll run this by him.

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2015, 09:53:33 AM »
just upgrade the ssd to a larger one

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2015, 10:52:04 AM »
SCB -- agree, that's all he really needs :) -- However, given his comment on wanting faster HDD storage (usb2 too slow), I wanted to throw out this option too -- having a few extra terabytes of sata-speed storage onboard isn't a bad thing imo, but best option would be to go "all in" on the biggest ssd he can afford to throw in there -- really enjoy the 512gb I have in my rMBP

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2015, 11:20:06 AM »
You can always get an external HD and work from there. Im on a 2012 MBP, coming from an XP machine and would never look back. Planning on upgrading my RAM to 8gb at some point soon...

I had to go from Android phone to iphone because my new hearing aids, while great, are only iphone compatible.  Except for the hearing aid compatibility, the iphone sucks by comparison.  The iphone takes control away from me in areas that Android didn't.  I'm not sure if the macbook does the same, but I've never been willing to pay the price for one just to find out.

But really my main bitch isn't necessarily the products...it's the company.  I hate how they market...releasing products incrementally every 18 months so that they can sell the same thing over and over and over and over to the tech geeks that dont mind getting screwed over like that.

I'm sorry, that response didn't address your question at all, but I do feel better.   :coolguy: 

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2015, 01:19:08 PM »
here's a link:  http://eshop.macsales.com/Search/Search.cfm?Ntk=Primary&Ns=P_Popularity%7c1&Ne=5000&N=7854&Ntt=data+doubler

If you don't use your disc drive, this is definitely the way to go.  He already has a SSD to run the OS, and picking up a 1 or 2TB 2.5" drive for the data doubler is a pretty affordable option these days.

I have an external USB disc drive on my desk for the times that I need it. (not very often any more!)

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2015, 02:00:50 PM »
Jamos -- good point, it's also (relatively) easy to offload programs/directories from the OP's existing 128gb ssd to the mechanical HDD, which would likely solve the OP's issue of an overfilled boot drive. 

Also, the OP doesn't indicate how much ram he has -- probably be a good idea to max out his ram (or at least assure he has 16gb in) while he's upgrading . ..
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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2015, 09:44:48 AM »

I had to go from Android phone to iphone because my new hearing aids, while great, are only iphone compatible.  Except for the hearing aid compatibility, the iphone sucks by comparison.  The iphone takes control away from me in areas that Android didn't.  I'm not sure if the macbook does the same, but I've never been willing to pay the price for one just to find out.

It's a UNIX machine. you have as much control as you want. They don't take anything away

But really my main bitch isn't necessarily the products...it's the company.  I hate how they market...releasing products incrementally every 18 months so that they can sell the same thing over and over and over and over to the tech geeks that dont mind getting screwed over like that.

They upgrade the laptop hardware to faster chips, better battery life, better displays, faster storage. They usually get Intel's latest chips in their machines before anyone else does. That doesn't screw their customers at all.

I got a 13" Retina Macbook pro at the end of 2013. I love it. If I bought the one announced last month right now, I'd get a newer Intel chip with a higher clock speed, a much faster SSD, the new "force touch" trackpad, and better battery life. Not sure how I'd be screwed. Since I already love my laptop, I have no need to get a new machine, so I don't see how I'm being screwed that way, either.

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2015, 10:41:29 AM »
Not to disagree with anything anyone else said, but I would add that a four-year-old laptop of any kind is getting close to the point where things are likely to start breaking soon, if they haven't already. I'm generally a fan of investing in last-generation hardware because you it's still functional and you get a better deal, but in this case you might consider skipping the new SSD and putting the money toward your next MacBook.

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2015, 10:46:14 AM »
^ SCB...it seems like Apple markets their laptops alot differently than they market their iphones and ipads.  That said, if someone doesn't feel that Apple uses creative marketing, then that's cool.  I'm not going to judge your buying patterns and where you place value, so apologies if my earlier comment came off as overbearing or judgemental.  Just stating my thoughts on how they go about their business.
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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2015, 12:21:32 PM »
^ SCB...it seems like Apple markets their laptops alot differently than they market their iphones and ipads.  That said, if someone doesn't feel that Apple uses creative marketing, then that's cool.  I'm not going to judge your buying patterns and where you place value, so apologies if my earlier comment came off as overbearing or judgemental.  Just stating my thoughts on how they go about their business.

Few thoughts on this

1) it appears that android phone users have a higher churn rate/shorter lifecycle than iPhone users -- see http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/7/30/android-replacement.  Not a big deal either way, but interesting nonetheless.  Part of the 2 year/18 month lifecycle can be explained by improving hardware technology on both platforms (faster processors, storage space, etc.) and the software industry updating these phones' software to take advantage of the faster phones (causing old slower phones to appear to get slower and slower) -- similarly, since batteries can only go through a limited # of charge cycles, this may also be a driver of the churn we're seeing.

2) I agree that it's a LOT easier to get "under the hood" on android phones than it is on iPhones -- however, this can be good at times as well.  I've found myself in the unenviable position of providing support to my extended family whenever technology issues come up.  While I personally wish I had a LOT more control of my iPhone, Apple's limiting configurability options make it a lot harder for my family to screw up their phones, therefore making it easier for them to self-help.  Conversely, it seems a lot harder for my (relatively non-computer savvy) friend who uses an android to pick up on how to perform basic customization that comes second nature on the IPhone.  If I didn't need to support iPhone users, I'm pretty confident I'd be using an android due to its customization options, fwiw.

3) As for Apple's marketing, keep in mind that only a small minority of computer users (or phone users) are using Apple's products.  So, not only is Apple's marketing trying to keep folks using Apples (retain current customers by marketing improvements to products), but it is ALSO looking to bring new users into the fold by consistently highlighting its technological advances -- Like Scott, I have a 2013 13" macbook pro.  While the new features (an even faster SSD interface and force trackpad) are both intriguing, My almost two year old laptop continues to be far more computer than I need and I have no interest in upgrading this product cycle.  OTOH, these enhanced features help distinguish Apple's products from the windows world and could be nice upgrades for folks with even older machines.

Finally, while I agree that the OP's laptop's getting old, my family's continuing to use Apple laptops that are a LOT older than that without issue.  No reason to throw a TON of cash at it, but perhaps replacing the DVD drive with a second (mechanical) hdd while retaining the original SSD will help the OP resolve the issues he's having and help his MBP last through to the next product cycle with only a minimal additional $$$ outlay . . . similarly, the OP (and everybody else) should have a robust backup process in place so that he can easily get a replacement computer up and running when his current one chooses to release some "magic smoke" -- I'm currently running both time machine backups and SuperDuper disk image backups of my MBP to different external drives to minimize the possibility of a catastrophic data loss. . . .

FWIW

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Re: Dilemma: Upgrade my Macbook Pro, get another Mac, or get a PC?
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2015, 09:48:54 PM »
Thanks for all of your suggestions and feedback. I really appreciate it.
I was kind of wondering whether a "Mac vs. PC" or "Android vs. iPhone" debate might ensue when I posted the original request…. inevitable, I guess.
I'm not loyal to either, really - I do love how fast my Macbook is with the SSD. I loved my iPhone 4 with iOS 5.1.1 (I NEVER upgraded the iOS when Apple decided to get rid of Google maps) I finally broke down and got the iPhone 5S last May, and HATED it. I returned it after 14 days and went back to my trusty iPhone 4 with the old, good operating system. iTunes bugs the crap out of me. I miss the days of Windows XP.

Anyway, I'm planning to keep the current Macbook for work stuff, and will most likely shift my audio endeavors to a different machine. My former landlord builds custom Macs for a living (he can get new ones or old ones and anything in between with any configuration of hardware and operating systems that is possible. In our first conversation regarding this, he suggested an older version of Mac Pro desktop as a possibility, that would provide gobs of power and speed and be lots lots cheaper than something new. Apparently there's room for 4 internal hard drives and other things with the PCI slots….

There is also still the option of a PC. Decisions, decisions…..

Either way, I'm going to show this conversation thread to my Mac Building friend to see if he can use any of your ideas.

Thanks Again!

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Nakamichi CM300's (CP-1,2,3,4) Nakamichi CM700's (cards, omnis)
Tascam PE-120's (cards, omnis) Countryman B2D
DPA 4061's DPA 4022's; DPA 4080; AKG 480 ck61 and ck63; Naiant AKG Active Cables
Preamps: CA-9100; Naiant Tinybox (12v/48v + PIP 8V); Naiant Littlebox;
DPA MPS6030; Sound Device Mix Pre-D
Decks: Mixpre 10T and 6; Roland R-07; Marantz PMD620; Sony PCM M10; Edirol R-4; Zoom H6; Marantz PMD-661; Sound Devices 722

 

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