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Building a home stereo
« on: February 28, 2004, 01:20:07 PM »
I'm thinking about sinking the dough into a home system to ditch the Sony system I have been listening on.  Anyone have any suggestions?
What is about the cheapest nice system you can build? I'm not made of money here.
I keep reading a lot about Maggies......
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2004, 03:55:46 PM »
ballpark budget?  $500?  $5k?  do you have any components you can use - DAT, CD/DVD, etc?  are we just talking pre/power amp and speakers?
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2004, 04:54:51 PM »
Well I have a standalone cd, dat, and dvd. I have never built a home system from scratch and my home Sony system is about 14 yrs old and I've been wanting to upgrade for some time. Ballpark budget is a little hard to come up with. Best bang for the buck is what I would go by. So maybe just the pre,amp, and speakers. Do I need a new reciever?
Like I ran across a pair of Maggies MGIIIa's that a guy wants $750 for. Is this a good buy?
What component should I spend the most on?
Also on speakers, should I be looking for 3 way or 2 way?
« Last Edit: February 28, 2004, 05:18:23 PM by utahtaper »
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Playback:
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2004, 06:10:51 PM »
yes, MG3a's for $750 is a good deal if they are in good condition - they retailed for >$2k.

so assuming you go with the MG3a's, you need a pre/power amp.  tube or solid state?  separates or integrated?

you'd need a "receiver" only if you plan on using it for home theater/surround.
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2004, 06:39:30 PM »
yes, MG3a's for $750 is a good deal if they are in good condition - they retailed for >$2k.

so assuming you go with the MG3a's, you need a pre/power amp.  tube or solid state?  separates or integrated?

you'd need a "receiver" only if you plan on using it for home theater/surround.
They are in good condition. I could probably use my reciever I have now then. I'm not sure what to use for a pre/power amp. Especially using a tube or solid state. Is it better to not use integrated?
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2004, 11:10:42 PM »
For the best bang for your buck, integrated is almost always the way to go..  You should give yourself a budget..
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2004, 11:14:28 PM »
I went to the local stereo shop and they had a deal on a Sunfire setup. But then I looked on ebay and it was the same deal. What do you think of this combo?
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2004, 11:13:05 AM »
Sunfire, well Carver, makes some great stuff...that's a pretty good deal...the question is whether this is music only, or also an a/v system...then get a budget...if music only, check out some tube configs, they make a world of difference...paradigm speakers just came out with a studio series that sounds great....i have the reference system now with b&k's and it's very nice...just look around...

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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2004, 11:42:55 AM »
I could probably use my reciever I have now then. I'm not sure what to use for a pre/power amp.

Make sure your receiver has pre-outs if you're going to run from it into a preamp.
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2004, 11:50:04 AM »
Sunfire, well Carver, makes some great stuff...that's a pretty good deal...the question is whether this is music only, or also an a/v system...then get a budget...if music only, check out some tube configs, they make a world of difference...paradigm speakers just came out with a studio series that sounds great....i have the reference system now with b&k's and it's very nice...just look around...
Hmmm.... Well I guess it would be nice to have a/v capability. What route would I go from there? Would the Maggies not be right for a/v?
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2004, 02:11:13 PM »
I could probably use my reciever I have now then. I'm not sure what to use for a pre/power amp. Especially using a tube or solid state. Is it better to not use integrated?

when you say "receiver", are you talking about a radio tuner or one of those 1 box preamp/poweramp/tuner/(surround processor)?  I'm assuming its a 1 box pre/power/tuner.  You may be able to use this with the Maggies, but be sure the speaker impedence is ok for the receiver.  Some receivers don't like anything but 6 or 8 ohm loads.  I'm not sure if the Maggies are 4 ohm, but if they are, you could damage the receiver if its not up to the task.

The advantage of an integrated is that you typically get a bigger bang for the $ and can also save on interconnects.  Separates give you the flexibility to upgrade each component separately and "tune" your system a bit more by selecting components having the characteristics you want (ie. a tube pre for warmth and imaging mated to a solid state amp for low end control and detail or power if you speakers need it).

I like tubes, especially for preamps.  I also like to drive my speakers to high spl's, so being unable to afford high power tube amps I've stuck with solid state for power amps.  This was especially true when I had the Maggies since they were pretty low sensitivity and required a decent amount of power.  My current speakers are a bit more senstive and I am considering going all tube, but haven't quite decided how to go yet.  I'm currently using a Panasonic SA-XR45 that is a home theater surround receiver with 6x100w digital amps.  It stirred up a bunch of positive buzz on AudioCircle and AudioAsylum, so I thought I'd give it a shot while I was "between systems" - it was only $400, so I didn't think it was that much of a risk.  It actually sounds very good using the digital inputs - very detailed and excellent low end, but the highs are a bit too much on some recordings.  The XR45 is discontinued, but they are planning to replace it with the XR70 for the same price.  If you want something for a/v surround, I would seriously consider it - sounds way better than it should for only $400 and has plenty of power to drive any speakers.

regarding the Sunfire pre/power combo.  I'd try to listen to it first.  I've never been too excited about the Sunfire components.  Typically overpowered and lack a refined sound.  I've never heard the Symponic Reference line, so I hesitate to generalize and tell you its not any good.  For that much $, I'd be willing to bet you can do better.
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2004, 04:55:09 PM »
So maybe if I went the Pana sa-xr45 route, I could add components to that as well later if I thought that I needed more umph?.....
Hey Craig do you have any idea what this one is compared to the one you spoke about?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3081348210&category=39814
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2004, 05:20:13 PM »
So maybe if I went the Pana sa-xr45 route, I could add components to that as well later if I thought that I needed more umph?.....
Hey Craig do you have any idea what this one is compared to the one you spoke about?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3081348210&category=39814


I doubt you'd need any more umph - the XR45 or 70 have 100wpc digital amps.  Should be plenty of power.  The XR45/70 really aren't set up to allow the addition of a more powerful amp, plus the thing that makes these receivers sound good is their ability to take a digital input straight to the amp stage.

No, that receiver has MOSFET amps and would likely not be any better than the Sony you have now.
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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2004, 11:35:55 PM »
If I went the receiver route. Anyone know if there is one out there that can output 4 ohms? And if the unit does, would you have the option of upgrading later with an outboard pre and amp?
Recording:
SKM 140's>LC3>ACM660

Playback:
Tascam DA30MKII DAT player
Jolida Tube CD player

Sota Saphire w/grado TLZ> Melos 333> Melos 400 monoblocks> Legacy Focus

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Re:Building a home stereo
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2004, 05:23:43 PM »
For something completely different, try an all tube integrated.  I have a Cayin TA30 on order from www.2baudio.com, $600 stock, $850 with some tweaks (Auricaps, external bias, adjustable feedback).  30 wpc push-pull, can take EL34, KT88, KT66, EL37, 6L6 and 5881 output tubes (very cool) and convert to a 4 wpc single-ended class A amp by simply removing 2 output tubes and adjusting the bias (also very cool).  I'll post a review in a few weeks.

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