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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: spyder9 on December 27, 2016, 04:30:41 PM
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These windscreens have been out for a while.
3cm covers most mics we use, whether full bodies or actives.
The pictures below are the 3cm models.
I wanted to hear your thoughts on:
1) Quality of construction
2) Effectiveness
3) Comparison to competitors (DPA & Shure)
I want to buy a pair, but I'm not sure which one of the two to buy.
I will be using them with AKG C460b/ck22.
The price is fantastic. WS50 $13.95/ea, WST50 $15.95/ea
Thanks!
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I've been using the WS50 all year; think mine are the 6 cm version on my AT4041's. Love 'em. Had them in some pretty stiff breezes and have yet to hear noise. Construction seems solid. Not noticed any loss of high end. And the price is certainly right.
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If you're running full bodies, I'm not sure why you would use the 3cm vs. the 6cm?
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They're totally worth the price. I've got the bottom type and they're great. I haven't owned them but I've heard the fur style shed hairs a little bit.
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If you're running full bodies, I'm not sure why you would use the 3cm vs. the 6cm?
Can you upload a picture of your 4041's? The WS50 is definitely 3cm, not 6cm.
I'm running full bodies. I certainly don't want to buy the wrong size. I appreciate any help.
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I have the black 6cm ones for my AKG 461. I also have the Big Shures. The Shures are a bit better, but the Movo's have been good too. Only a bit of wind noise on strong gusts that I didn't hear with the Shures. The Movo's worked perfectly in steady wind while on my Studio Projects C4 mics with the Omni caps.
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I have the black 6cm ones for my AKG 461. I also have the Big Shures. The Shures are a bit better, but the Movo's have been good too. Only a bit of wind noise on strong gusts that I didn't hear with the Shures. The Movo's worked perfectly in steady wind while on my Studio Projects C4 mics with the Omni caps.
Great feedback. A picture of that setup would be appreciated. I'm trying to stay away from buying the Shures, only because they gobble up bag-space.
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I have the black 6cm ones for my AKG 461. I also have the Big Shures. The Shures are a bit better, but the Movo's have been good too. Only a bit of wind noise on strong gusts that I didn't hear with the Shures. The Movo's worked perfectly in steady wind while on my Studio Projects C4 mics with the Omni caps.
Great feedback. A picture of that setup would be appreciated. I'm trying to stay away from buying the Shures, only because of they gobble up bag-space.
The 6cm are are slightly smaller than Shures
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Thank you Chris! ^^
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Here's pictures of the wstt50's (3cm), used with Schoeps actives
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I wonder about boundary, and reflection effects from that big flat base. Are they dish shaped on the inside, or flat?
How does the insertion depth compare when using Schoeps actives vs. full bodies? Being able to get the base further from the diaphragm would reduce potential impact.
Is the windscreen foam permeable? Can you blow through the foam (from the side, not the mic hole), like you can with a shure or dpa? The windtechs, in comparison, are made with cheap foam that is not permeable.
Finally, anyone done any comps with demanding source material? Both vs. no screen and compared to DPAs and Shures while recording non-amplified material? That tends to reveal the sonic impact of windscreens. Also, the quiet passages tend to make wind noise more obvious.
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On the 4041's. Not the best photo........The 6cm cover the "capsule" portion completely. If you tried to stuff some active caps in there they would probably go too far
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Here we go, these are a little better. Just to add also, if these have been shedding fur, I haven't noticed. Hell, at this price point just get a fresh pair for the new taping season :headphones:
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Here we go, these are a little better. Just to add also, if these have been shedding fur, I haven't noticed. Hell, at this price point just get a fresh pair for the new taping season :headphones:
Great pics! Nice location too!
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Here we go, these are a little better. Just to add also, if these have been shedding fur, I haven't noticed. Hell, at this price point just get a fresh pair for the new taping season :headphones:
Great pics! Nice location too!
Thanks. That's the sound company's small rig too. They run a bigger array for festies and such. And it's always free :headphones: Hard to pull a bad tape here......
http://usnwc.org/relax/festivals/
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Here we go, these are a little better. Just to add also, if these have been shedding fur, I haven't noticed. Hell, at this price point just get a fresh pair for the new taping season :headphones:
Great pics! Nice location too!
Thanks. That's the sound company's small rig too. They run a bigger array for festies and such. And it's always free :headphones: Hard to pull a bad tape here......
http://usnwc.org/relax/festivals/
Better pic
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1) Quality of construction
The "fur" sheds very badly when new. Less fur means less effective. I've had mine for about a year and they still shed a little when handled. The fur itself is shorter than other similar options. Otherwise, construction is decent. The rubber cap on the rear helps keep the screen firmly attached to the mic.
2) Effectiveness
More effective than DPA ua896 alone (without fur cover). Less effective than Shure a81ws (alone or with fur cover) and DPA ua896 with fur cover. For that reason, I'm back to using the Shure a81ws. I wouldn't even think of using the Movo in any significant wind.
3) Comparison to competitors (DPA & Shure)
See above.
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Ran 6cm Movos all 3 days at Red Rocks for Panic this summer with no wind noise issues! This is with my Microtech Gefell M20 active setup.
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Well, I just bought a pair of the 3cm black. I ordered them 2 days ago and they arrived this afternoon. Incredibly fast shipping. :o
Any hoot, the 3cm black fit my AKG 460's perfectly. I run the ck22 omni caps outside, which are longer than most traditional omnis.
6cm doesn't seem necessary for my needs. I'll order a pair of 3cm horse-hair next and see if the fit is the same as the blacks. Just read Craig's post above. I ordered another pair of DPA UA0896's in order to compare these WST50's to.
Someone asked if they are permeable, it looks like they are. See 2nd picture of the inside. Honeycomb style.
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Well, I just bought a pair of the 3cm black. I ordered them 2 days ago and they arrived this afternoon. Incredibly fast shipping. :o
Any hoot, the 3cm black fit my AKG 460's perfectly. I run the ck22 omni caps outside, which are longer than most traditional omni caps.
6cm doesn't seem necessary for my needs. I'll order a pair of 3cm horse-hair next and see if the fit is the same as the blacks.
Someone asked if they are permeable, it looks like they are. See 2nd picture of the inside. Honeycomb style.
:coolguy: Good choice. You'll enjoy them.
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Dan, you must really have some windy conditions to notice it that bad with your omnis
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VERY interested in the WSTT50s for my CM3s. All my outdoor recording is in football stadiums in Sept / Oct / Nov, and this year we had some especially windy days where my current wind protection wasn't enough. I'm wondering if the furry "WS" version might be better for strong gusts, but I like the lower visual profile and black color of the WSTT - anyone try both and could comment?
I also just noticed that Movo sells a third version of these Softie / Super Softie clones I haven't seen before: the WS-G (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J6HS2NO?th=1). These seem to only be in Movo's Amazon store, but not their eBay store. They also look most similar to the Rode WS8 (http://www.rode.com/accessories/ws8) I'm using now.
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Dan, you must really have some windy conditions to notice it that bad with your omnis
Mike, I live close to the Atlantic Ocean. I have Derek & Susan's Sunshine Music Festival in a couple of weeks in Boca Raton.
It's at an outdoor amphitheater where the winds swirls around....
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Dan, you must really have some windy conditions to notice it that bad with your omnis
Mike, I live close to the Atlantic Ocean. I have Derek & Susan's Sunshine Music Festival in a couple of weeks in Boca Raton.
It's at an outdoor amphitheater where the winds swirls around....
In a coupla weeks I'll probably be shoveling snow... have fun :D
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I also just noticed that Movo sells a third version of these Softie / Super Softie clones I haven't seen before: the WS-G (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J6HS2NO?th=1). These seem to only be in Movo's Amazon store, but not their eBay store. They also look most similar to the Rode WS8 (http://www.rode.com/accessories/ws8) I'm using now.
While I have not used those WS-G, I understand that they have a dual length fur, that is supposed to be more effective in breaking up wind noise. I do have a WS on my camcorder mic, a super sensitive AT4073A, that works well.
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I also just noticed that Movo sells a third version of these Softie / Super Softie clones I haven't seen before: the WS-G (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J6HS2NO?th=1). These seem to only be in Movo's Amazon store, but not their eBay store. They also look most similar to the Rode WS8 (http://www.rode.com/accessories/ws8) I'm using now.
While I have not used those WS-G, I understand that they have a dual length fur, that is supposed to be more effective in breaking up wind noise. I do have a WS on my camcorder mic, a super sensitive AT4073A, that works well.
Thanks for that detail. Hopefully there isn't too much of a tradeoff with reduced highs. Currently I'm on the fence between the WSTT and WS-G.
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I have used the WST50 (3cm black no fur version) on my AKG cardioid actives and haven't had a problem with pretty gusty wind conditions when using them outdoors this summer.
No appreciable attenuation of high frequencies and no change in sound from the large plastic rear back plate (which was a concern when I first got them).
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I have used the WST50 (3cm black no fur version) on my AKG cardioid actives and haven't had a problem with pretty gusty wind conditions when using them outdoors this summer.
No appreciable attenuation of high frequencies and no change in sound from the large plastic rear back plate (which was a concern when I first got them).
I think you may have just sold me on them. I like the way they look better anyway (more low-profile), and they're much cheaper than the WS-G.
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@lsd2525 - Can I ask why you have two different cardoid mic pairs positioned with the caps about 6 inches apart? Are doing some A/B comparisons? There are some good reasons to throw up multiple mic pairs, spaced omnis with a center X/Y pair come to mind (ask gutbucket), but if you are mixing cardoid mics together in this configuration, you will most likely end up smearing the sound, although they may be close enough that it doesn't matter much. How did your recording sound? (I'm assuming the A51s and the AT4041s are both your mics, since they are listed in your sig, and they aren't two separate rigs.)
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@lsd2525 - Can I ask why you have two different cardoid mic pairs positioned with the caps about 6 inches apart? Are doing some A/B comparisons? There are some good reasons to throw up multiple mic pairs, spaced omnis with a center X/Y pair come to mind (ask gutbucket), but if you are mixing cardoid mics together in this configuration, you will most likely end up smearing the sound, although they may be close enough that it doesn't matter much. How did your recording sound? (I'm assuming the A51s and the AT4041s are both your mics, since they are listed in your sig, and they aren't two separate rigs.)
Yeah, those are both mine. I wasn't (and haven't) going to mix them. Since I've been running the DR70, I usually run these two sets of mics and take a SBD feed to my M10. The 4041's (should be) a more or less ORTF config. I just run the 51's that wide, frankly, because I really don't know what else to do. The are aimed to the outsides of the stacks.
Sometimes the AT4041's come out on top, sometimes the 51's. Although the 51's usually win out because of the bass response
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I used the WS80's here in February...wide spread omni's outdoors...worked AOK
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=176791.msg2180872#msg2180872
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I have an outdoor festie next weekend. Should be blustery, if anything. The winds like to swirl in the Amp I'll be taping at at.
WST50's get their maiden voyage. My new DPA UA0896's arrived yesterday. I'll run them with gorilla hair. Overall, It'll be a nice comparison.
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Dan,
I've owned BOTH the WS80's[fur-covered] and the WST50's[black ballistic nylon], and so far, I MUCH prefer the all-black WST50's IMO! The fur is a PITA to deal with and gets EVERYWHERE, while the WST50's are fur-less and all black taboot!
Just get the 3cm WST50's and be done with it. I PROMISE that they will work great for you. The WST50's have an inside depth of 2" according to the Movo WST50 boxes that came with my screens ;)
That said, if you're interested in some WS80's[fur-covered, which are the IDENTICAL same size as my WST50's FWIW], hit me up! I'll sell you some WS80's for cheaper than new ;)
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Very successful run with the Movo WST50's over the weekend. We had wind all day for the festival. Even some big gusts had the stands wobbling. Wind was in our face. The Movos did a great job minimizing any wind damage in my recordings; to almost negligible. I was caught by surprise. I have 10+ years of experience using DPA UA896's outdoors, with dead rats. The DPA's don't come close to being as effective as the Movos, where sporadic spikes of wind damage used to be the norm under the same conditions. The Movo WST50's are definitely a "Buy" in my book. I'm very happy with my purchase.
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Dredging this topic up to see if people have opinions on the Movo WST50's vs the big Shure screens. I've got Rockygrass coming up, and it seems that always presents the biggest problem I have for wind. The big Shure's always have worked fine for me for even the worst winds including the really blowing Red Rocks days, but that is for higher SPL music.
It always seems that when SPLs are low that wind noise can be the worst, maybe the diaphragms aren't tensioned or something. But the talking during the acoustic Rockygrass sets or the initial banjo or mando picking before the song gets going can be problematic when winds are high, and even the big Shures allow some lower level rumbles onto the recording.
Wondering if the Movo WST50's, maybe with fur added as well, would be better than the Shures. Any opinions on the effectiveness of the Movo's vs the Shures from people who have used both?