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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2013, 11:59:43 AM »
I've taped the Gaslight anthem 2 weeks ago, it was the first time with the m10. I'm really pleased with my setup (m10 > ca ugly2 > ca 14 cards).

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2013, 03:56:36 PM »
This might be an odd/stupid question, but it interests me nonetheless, as I'm leaning heavily in favor of buying an M10...

The M10 has internal memory as well as a slot for a card. If I were to record enough to fill up, say, the 16 GB card I might put in, would the device then start recording to the internal memory, or would I have to manually switch something? Could it do so mid-recording (sort of like splitting a track at the 2GB limit)?

No stupid questions... ;)

I know it can do "cross-memory" recording if you have it set and will switch from the internal card to an external one (I've had this happen once when I forgot to make some room).   I'm not sure if it can go from the external back to the internal but I'm sure it's very possible for it to happen.

You won't lose anything, either, but I'd avoid this altogether and just buy a card big enough.  A high quality Class 10 microsd card can be had for DIRT cheap and that will give you 30 hours at 24/48.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2013, 04:10:13 PM »
I'm not sure if it can go from the external back to the internal...


It can.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2013, 04:15:55 PM »
It automatically starts recording seamlessly to the internal storage ;)
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2013, 04:16:27 PM »
You have to setup cross memory recording to ON in the m10 menu tho
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2013, 11:39:03 PM »
I set my M-10 to "cross-record" from external card>internal memory as a failsafe. I run 24/48 to external 16GB cards and shut down the M-10 between sets even though I have plenty of battery/card space.

The time-stamp on the M-10's files/folders is often a huge time-saver when trying to track out a festival event...

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2013, 12:12:11 PM »
Yeah, for my use, which will be a lot of field recording, it's nice to know that even with a big card, I have a backup in case I don't get to a computer to take everything off. I've had to selectively delete things before which is always painful.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2013, 10:41:26 AM »
Does anyknow where I can find info ( on this forum ) on how to reduce a 96/ 24 file to a standard WAV file , so I can play my files using my Sonos connect .
Now I simply make analog copies ( to minidisc ) and convert these to WAV files . I really don't hear the difference . But there must be a way doing this on the computer .
Can I use Soundforge for this ?

I would appreciate if anyone could point out a thread . To go through 7 threads on the PCM M 10 alone is quite a job . Thanks !
But I have to say, I don’t mind it. I do object when I see people sticking microphones up my nose, in the front row. If I see anyone doing that [laughs] I’m going to have security remove them. Because that’s just obnoxious. But I don’t mind if people come and discreetly at the back make a recording of it. And I know that it’s just for their own use, for the superfan.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2013, 11:54:53 AM »
Simply resample using any tool.
If you don't hear the difference, why not record in 48 Khz 24 bits?

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2013, 12:13:41 PM »
I use r8brain to resample.

http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brain/

Also...you're going to need a pretty nice rig and playback system to benifit from 24/96. Almost everyone I know records at 24/48. Saves you some space, and sounds just as good for us normal people.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2013, 01:26:04 PM »
Does anyknow where I can find info ( on this forum ) on how to reduce a 96/ 24 file to a standard WAV file , so I can play my files using my Sonos connect .
Now I simply make analog copies ( to minidisc ) and convert these to WAV files . I really don't hear the difference . But there must be a way doing this on the computer .
Can I use Soundforge for this ?

I would appreciate if anyone could point out a thread . To go through 7 threads on the PCM M 10 alone is quite a job . Thanks !
just so you are clear, its not a m10 "issue" its a sample rate and/or dither issue, meaning any recorder you use and record at the high rate will need to be adjusted.
yes you can use soundforge or others mentioned, i use audacity
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2013, 02:12:43 PM »
I use r8brain to resample.

http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brain/

Also...you're going to need a pretty nice rig and playback system to benifit from 24/96. Almost everyone I know records at 24/48. Saves you some space, and sounds just as good for us normal people.

I agree you don't hear the difference , even with an analog copy . But...we've had this discussion I think in part 3 of this thread . Disc space is so cheap these days , why not using the best possible bit rate ? I remember when using DAT's , the ones I used to record in LP didn't last as long as the ones in SP .
Some of my DAT's in LP are impossible to play now , while the ones in SP are in much better shape . Back than I couldn't hear the difference between LP and SP .
I bought an external hard drive 3 TB for the same price as not even two years I did get 1 TB...
« Last Edit: April 18, 2013, 02:18:22 PM by Ekib »
But I have to say, I don’t mind it. I do object when I see people sticking microphones up my nose, in the front row. If I see anyone doing that [laughs] I’m going to have security remove them. Because that’s just obnoxious. But I don’t mind if people come and discreetly at the back make a recording of it. And I know that it’s just for their own use, for the superfan.
(Steven Wilson , interview http://blog.musoscribe.com/index.php/2011/01/25/interview-steven-wilson-on-audience-taping/ )

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2013, 02:15:29 PM »
Does anyknow where I can find info ( on this forum ) on how to reduce a 96/ 24 file to a standard WAV file , so I can play my files using my Sonos connect .
Now I simply make analog copies ( to minidisc ) and convert these to WAV files . I really don't hear the difference . But there must be a way doing this on the computer .
Can I use Soundforge for this ?

I would appreciate if anyone could point out a thread . To go through 7 threads on the PCM M 10 alone is quite a job . Thanks !
just so you are clear, its not a m10 "issue" its a sample rate and/or dither issue, meaning any recorder you use and record at the high rate will need to be adjusted.
yes you can use soundforge or others mentioned, i use audacity

Thanks for the answer . However , I can't figure out to get the sample rate down on Sound Forge . I was posting it in this forum since SONY provided a free copy of Sound Forge with the purchase of the PCM M10 . Can I use that version to get the sample rate down ? What should I do ? I have tried but can't figure it out . I would appreciate if someone would point and give a little direction , or tell me where in which thread I can find that info . I have looked all over this forum but didn't find it . Thanks !
But I have to say, I don’t mind it. I do object when I see people sticking microphones up my nose, in the front row. If I see anyone doing that [laughs] I’m going to have security remove them. Because that’s just obnoxious. But I don’t mind if people come and discreetly at the back make a recording of it. And I know that it’s just for their own use, for the superfan.
(Steven Wilson , interview http://blog.musoscribe.com/index.php/2011/01/25/interview-steven-wilson-on-audience-taping/ )

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2013, 09:28:01 PM »
Does anyknow where I can find info ( on this forum ) on how to reduce a 96/ 24 file to a standard WAV file , so I can play my files using my Sonos connect .
Now I simply make analog copies ( to minidisc ) and convert these to WAV files . I really don't hear the difference . But there must be a way doing this on the computer .
Can I use Soundforge for this ?

I would appreciate if anyone could point out a thread . To go through 7 threads on the PCM M 10 alone is quite a job . Thanks !
just so you are clear, its not a m10 "issue" its a sample rate and/or dither issue, meaning any recorder you use and record at the high rate will need to be adjusted.
yes you can use soundforge or others mentioned, i use audacity

Thanks for the answer . However , I can't figure out to get the sample rate down on Sound Forge . I was posting it in this forum since SONY provided a free copy of Sound Forge with the purchase of the PCM M10 . Can I use that version to get the sample rate down ? What should I do ? I have tried but can't figure it out . I would appreciate if someone would point and give a little direction , or tell me where in which thread I can find that info . I have looked all over this forum but didn't find it . Thanks !
try this http://soundforge.helpmax.net/en/batchengine-chmbatchengine-hhc/processes/resample/
i use audacity so i am not sure if the link is correct but it should be

here is a video from the other day so its prob the most recent version too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_s9_RzH2r0
« Last Edit: April 18, 2013, 09:29:57 PM by willndmb »
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2013, 02:17:22 AM »
Does anyknow where I can find info ( on this forum ) on how to reduce a 96/ 24 file to a standard WAV file , so I can play my files using my Sonos connect .
Now I simply make analog copies ( to minidisc ) and convert these to WAV files . I really don't hear the difference . But there must be a way doing this on the computer .
Can I use Soundforge for this ?

I would appreciate if anyone could point out a thread . To go through 7 threads on the PCM M 10 alone is quite a job . Thanks !
just so you are clear, its not a m10 "issue" its a sample rate and/or dither issue, meaning any recorder you use and record at the high rate will need to be adjusted.
yes you can use soundforge or others mentioned, i use audacity

Thanks for the answer . However , I can't figure out to get the sample rate down on Sound Forge . I was posting it in this forum since SONY provided a free copy of Sound Forge with the purchase of the PCM M10 . Can I use that version to get the sample rate down ? What should I do ? I have tried but can't figure it out . I would appreciate if someone would point and give a little direction , or tell me where in which thread I can find that info . I have looked all over this forum but didn't find it . Thanks !
try this http://soundforge.helpmax.net/en/batchengine-chmbatchengine-hhc/processes/resample/
i use audacity so i am not sure if the link is correct but it should be

here is a video from the other day so its prob the most recent version too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_s9_RzH2r0

Thanks for the info . Now I know where to look for !
But I have to say, I don’t mind it. I do object when I see people sticking microphones up my nose, in the front row. If I see anyone doing that [laughs] I’m going to have security remove them. Because that’s just obnoxious. But I don’t mind if people come and discreetly at the back make a recording of it. And I know that it’s just for their own use, for the superfan.
(Steven Wilson , interview http://blog.musoscribe.com/index.php/2011/01/25/interview-steven-wilson-on-audience-taping/ )

 

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