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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2014, 03:45:32 PM »
Looks like the old HC1 when Sony first introduced their HD camera!

I want to shoot a show with this! $2000 ain't bad. Might be a little cheaper when it finally arrives.

Are there any pro-sumer cameras in the Sony line that shoot 4k?

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2014, 06:23:59 PM »
yeah they have 2 i cant recall the model numbers but they are i think between 4 and 5 thousand dollars.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2014, 05:58:47 PM »
I can't see a real advantage of 4k.
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2014, 09:15:43 PM »
Right now I use 1080 capture for 720 delivery so I'll have some margin for framing and the ability to do some fake camera moves in post without sacrificing resolution. 4k would add more of the same flexibility.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2014, 12:53:54 AM »
I have my eye on this one, the baby brother of the one above, with no 4K...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1022657-REG/sony_hdrcx900_b_hdr_cx900_full_hd_handycam.html

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 10:12:14 AM »
Right now I use 1080 capture for 720 delivery so I'll have some margin for framing and the ability to do some fake camera moves in post without sacrificing resolution. 4k would add more of the same flexibility.

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Like I said before. No real advantage of 4K.
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2014, 11:37:11 AM »
Right now I use 1080 capture for 720 delivery so I'll have some margin for framing and the ability to do some fake camera moves in post without sacrificing resolution. 4k would add more of the same flexibility.

Fran

Exactly.  4K opens up a world of possibilities for those of us who shoot with a single camera and are skilled at post production.  Re-framing/moving with no loss of resolution is a HUGE advantage.  It also gives the ability to use software based stabilization, again with no loss of resolution when delivering in 1080 or 720.
And with the development of H265 codec 4K delivery will no longer be held back by bandwidth issues.
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 02:55:24 AM »

Like I said before. No real advantage of 4K.

did u say the same thing about HD in 2008?
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 01:21:39 PM »

Like I said before. No real advantage of 4K.

did u say the same thing about HD in 2008?

Yes. I still shoot SD on mini dv.  ::)


 
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2014, 01:24:09 PM »
But you know, go ahead. Go buy new cams, new pc's, new TV's etc and let the industry fool you.
I'm passing this round :)
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2014, 03:25:18 PM »
But you know, go ahead. Go buy new cams, new pc's, new TV's etc and let the industry fool you.
I'm passing this round :)

I always recommend SD cameras and Church Audio mics. There is no getting better then that.
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2014, 04:04:48 PM »
But you know, go ahead. Go buy new cams, new pc's, new TV's etc and let the industry fool you.
I'm passing this round :)

I always recommend SD cameras and Church Audio mics. There is no getting better then that.

This topic ain't about mics dude.
Not everybody can afford or has the desire to buy Schoeps...

And of course my post about me still shooting SD on DV tape was a joke.  ;)


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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2014, 11:57:37 PM »
yea. my comment was a joke too. sorry.
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2014, 11:26:24 PM »
So this new tv I've been seeing advertised on TV - the Samsung curved Ultra HD...  Does it make using this new 4K camera a reality now?   

Would the TV show off what the 4K camera can do?

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2014, 11:18:29 PM »
The curved stuff sounds like a stupid gimmick for sure, a curved screen works if its 80 ft wide and curved, at 50 inches and curved, seems like youd have to be sitting a foot away from it to get the same effect.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2014, 07:03:38 AM »
Probably I am wrong but sometimes when after I watched my video and switch to TV broadcast, I  cannot understand why my recording is not beautiful like TV broadcasting, even though I used 1920x1080p AVCHD FX mode to record.
So 4K camera will be the answer to my question. I am not happy with the current HD camera resolution when I watching the TV pro shot video. :-\

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2014, 11:57:10 PM »
Professional have the best sensors and lenses, that's why their work looks  better and why owner/operators charge a thousand+ for a 10 hour day, including an audio assist.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2014, 03:12:15 AM »
Professional have the best sensors and lenses, that's why their work looks  better and why owner/operators charge a thousand+ for a 10 hour day, including an audio assist.

At a 1000, you are getting a deal. Day rate for camera operator alone is $400 or so in Seattle, add in an audio assistant $350. To get camera rental, audio recorder, mics, etc for $250 on a single day rental is a steal.

Rule of thumb is your weekly rental price is 10% of new, and with the standard 3 day price for a week rental, the $250 would get you 7500 in gear. We know how little that is when you talk about pro gear. By our standards a pro record package would be 2-4,000 and a camera can go much higher. Hell the lens alone can go higher.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2014, 11:36:32 AM »
Professional have the best sensors and lenses, that's why their work looks  better and why owner/operators charge a thousand+ for a 10 hour day, including an audio assist.

At a 1000, you are getting a deal. Day rate for camera operator alone is $400 or so in Seattle, add in an audio assistant $350. To get camera rental, audio recorder, mics, etc for $250 on a single day rental is a steal.

Rule of thumb is your weekly rental price is 10% of new, and with the standard 3 day price for a week rental, the $250 would get you 7500 in gear. We know how little that is when you talk about pro gear. By our standards a pro record package would be 2-4,000 and a camera can go much higher. Hell the lens alone can go higher.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2015, 03:44:56 PM »
So.... Over a year since this topic was made.

Who is shooting 4k now?

I still don't see the advantage....  ;D
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2015, 06:30:35 PM »
A buddy of mine just told me that 1hour of 4K video = approx. 64GB. 
Is this accurate??
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2015, 10:28:19 PM »
My Panasonic FZ1000 starts a new file approx. every 6 min and each file is 3.97GB.
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2015, 10:41:41 PM »
So.... Over a year since this topic was made.

Who is shooting 4k now?

I still don't see the advantage....  ;D

I can only offer that going from the Sony HX20V that shoots 1080 HD to the Panasonic FZ1000 that shoots 4K the difference is
obvious for me and low light shooting is phenomenal even rezzed down to 1080 it is better then the 1080 my HX20V shot.


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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2015, 10:18:03 AM »
Looks good Datfly.

Was curious if you shoot any video with your Canon Dslr with 300 2.8.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2015, 11:23:26 AM »
Looks good indeed!

But I wonder how much of the better image quality has to do with the fact that it's been shot in 4k and how much is due to the fact that the
Panasonic has a 1 inch sensor while the sony photocam has a much smaller sensor.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2015, 12:07:02 PM »
So.... Over a year since this topic was made.

Who is shooting 4k now?

I still don't see the advantage....  ;D

I can only offer that going from the Sony HX20V that shoots 1080 HD to the Panasonic FZ1000 that shoots 4K the difference is
obvious for me and low light shooting is phenomenal even rezzed down to 1080 it is better then the 1080 my HX20V shot.


Same club different dates

Samantha Fish shot in 4K rezzed down to 1080 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKxl3_whZe0
Samantha Fish shot in 1080                             - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_wErt2dFCo

The Who Miami 1080 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuO_lixUWo
The Who Miami 4K    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZBIlCkXDM

Have you had any issues getting the camera in the door? That is one reason I love my HX9V is cause it's small (P&S) vs that Panasonic that looks like a DSLR...
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2015, 07:27:16 PM »
So.... Over a year since this topic was made.

Who is shooting 4k now?

I still don't see the advantage....  ;D

I can only offer that going from the Sony HX20V that shoots 1080 HD to the Panasonic FZ1000 that shoots 4K the difference is
obvious for me and low light shooting is phenomenal even rezzed down to 1080 it is better then the 1080 my HX20V shot.


Same club different dates

Samantha Fish shot in 4K rezzed down to 1080 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKxl3_whZe0
Samantha Fish shot in 1080                             - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_wErt2dFCo

The Who Miami 1080 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuO_lixUWo
The Who Miami 4K    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZBIlCkXDM

Have you had any issues getting the camera in the door? That is one reason I love my HX9V is cause it's small (P&S) vs that Panasonic that looks like a DSLR...

same here.
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2015, 06:39:29 AM »
So.... Over a year since this topic was made.

Who is shooting 4k now?

I still don't see the advantage....  ;D

I wouldn't buy a new camera that didn't shoot 4K because the extra resolution lets me do a lot of cropping and panning in post. I use a 720p timeline so I can crop 3 to 1 without taking a hit in the final render. This can mean shooting a duo then moving between them in post, or shooting a player and doing a zoom to the guitar neck or face without losing quality. It also means I can be looser with my framing and tighten up in post without getting fuzzy.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2015, 06:41:39 PM »
So.... Over a year since this topic was made.

Who is shooting 4k now?

I still don't see the advantage....  ;D

I wouldn't buy a new camera that didn't shoot 4K because the extra resolution lets me do a lot of cropping and panning in post. I use a 720p timeline so I can crop 3 to 1 without taking a hit in the final render. This can mean shooting a duo then moving between them in post, or shooting a player and doing a zoom to the guitar neck or face without losing quality. It also means I can be looser with my framing and tighten up in post without getting fuzzy.

Fran

The panning is nice and can be an advantage of 4k.

However, a 720p timeline is not something I prefer.
I shoot in 1080p so I keep the timeline 1080p.

Being able to be looser with the framing wouldnt be an advantage to me either.
I'd rather have a good shot straight away instead of to tighten it all up afterwards.
Editing is not really something I enjoy doing. It's just a job that needs to be done.
The less time I spend editing, the better.
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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2015, 09:25:02 PM »
Datfly, I have a couple of questions if I may.....

I was toying with the idea of getting a Canon G20 camcorder, but now I've seen this for a little bit cheaper, I'm kind of intrigued.

How long can you shoot with the battery? And what was your set up for recording those samples you posted? Tripod? Handheld? I've recorded with a DSLR before and found it uncomfortable compare to a camcorder, I guess a tripod is the way to go but it's not always possible in small bars / clubs that I usually frequent due to limited space.

Does this camera have the 30 minute recording limit?

Also, I tend to record a lot of punk bands, short fast sets, quick changes between bands on stage etc, and at times have been caught off guard, how good is the cameras auto setting? When I haven't really had time to set my old camcorder up in the past, auto has been my friend just so I'd get SOMETHING.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2016, 04:01:52 PM »
So i finally bought this camera,FDR AX 100.
The XAVC S 1080 @ 50MBPS is outstanding.

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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2016, 08:01:06 AM »
So i finally bought this camera, FDR AX 100.
The XAVC S 1080 @ 50MBPS is outstanding.

I shot a half hour or so of family picnic activities with my FDR AX-100 this past weekend at a river park that had me going back and forth between shaded and sunny scenes.  I was experimenting with adjusting the focus manually with my middle finger and at the same time, adjusting the iris / gain / shutter speed roller with my thumb.  Operating the focus, lighting, and zoom all at the same time takes a bit of getting used to, but I foresee getting some really outstanding concert shots this way that are well focused and properly lit - even in situations where the lighting is challenging.
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Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4k), Sony DSC HX50V
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2016, 08:12:45 AM »
Yep,i have focus peakinv set to red medium and is a huge help.Use the My button function you can set three on lcd screen  virtual buttons,i have peaking set and white balance and steadyshot at the moment.

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Re: Sony 4k Handycam
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2016, 02:36:43 AM »
In anticipation of a two hour show coming up that I plan on shooting with my AX-100, I bought the following two items: 





And then did a little test where I fully charged the new battery and shot video at the highest quality setting (UHD 4K XAVC S 3840 x 2160p / 30 fps / LPCM audio) until either the card filled up or the battery ran out of power.

The battery ran out of power before the card filled up.  So I then filled up the card using the OEM Sony battery that came with the videocam.

Result:

first file:  2 hrs 47 mins 39 secs (116,156,563) shot using the Wasabi Power battery
second file:  14 mins 41 secs (10,185,380) (using the OEM Sony NP-FV70 battery)

So at the highest quality setting, I was able to fit 3 hrs 2 mins and 20 secs of video on the 128GB Sony card.  Note:  even though the camera stopped at the point where the battery ran out of power, the first file was unaffected and plays all the way through to the end (using VLC on my computer).

I got the Wasabi Power BTR-FV100-JWP battery (replacement for Sony NP-FV100 - which costs $124.00 at Amazon) for $15.69 & free shipping at Amazon.  I got the 128GB Sony card for $64.99 & free shipping at Amazon.

This was a static video shot with no moving objects in the picture, no zooming, or any other activities that would decrease the life of the battery.
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards) & AT853 cards
Pre: CA-9100
Deck: Edirol R-09HR

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4k), Sony DSC HX50V
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

 

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