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Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« on: March 19, 2015, 08:43:47 PM »
Already discussed at http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=170011.msg2110532#msg2110532 but I think it's not irrelevant here in the context of recording with Android devices in particular.

https://www.hookeaudio.com/ is the site for the device.

As far as I'm aware there's no ready means of recording stereo into an Android phone, so aside from the other features of this device, the fact that it enables location recording on Android devices is worth noting.  Whether this will also include my Android watch remains to be seen!

I"d describe it as a semi-stealth system.  At a concert people might wonder why you are obviously wearing bluetooth headphones rather than listening to the band.  But in the street you wouldn't attract a second glance.

Of course there are several other devices incorporating mics in earbuds, but when using Roland in-ears I've found the cord tends to be a source of noise on recordings and it has a way of gradually dislodging the buds - and if you push them back in you get the sound of that on the recording.  So a wireless in-ear recording system has something to recommend it.

Personally I'm not that fussed that it's bluetooth.  Carefully implemented, it's surprising what quality BT can produce.  Not ideal of course compared with a wire but in the context of run and gun etc, not a dealbreaker.  There is a cable option for connecting to normal recorders, or you could use a bluetooth receiver (eg the Sony one that's about the size of the cap of a pen) and connect that to a slightly remote recorder.

I'll be asking the company a few questions such as

- battery life?
- wind noise?  The outdoor samples are remarkably free of it - was the user wearing dead cats on their ears?
- level control - does it send a fixed level or is it somehow variable, or is some sort of ALC employed (hopefully not)?

Needless to say, as your humble forum guinea pig, I've preordered.  Delivery is said to be "in the summer" which in Kickstarter-speak tends to mean in the Autumn or later, but we'll see...


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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2015, 09:54:57 PM »
Thanks for sharing this! My thoughts:

Very slick marketing, and the sample videos are well produced and sound great on my headphones (worth checking out on their own merits).

Having listened to in-ear (as in, inside the pinnae) recordings, I would have to agree with the common perception/opinion that they sound best played back on headphones (which makes sense). Do I think they suck on speakers? No, but it does sound different.

They have definitely done a lot of work to make (what appears to be) a nice product. I'm impressed that they also included a wired connectivity option. It would be interesting to record some pink or white noise in a quiet room and compare the signal to bluetooth.

Enjoy them and please do report back with a review and some samples if you think of it.

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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2015, 09:51:56 AM »
I've heard from the Hooke people concerning my questions, and the answers were -

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-Right now our Hooke Verses are getting 7-10 hours battery life. We’re pretty impressed!

-The Hooke Verse comes with a complimentary pair of custom designed wind screens

-You’ll have mic gain control on your phone via the app. And when going to a field recorder, laptop or camera, you will adjust gain via that device.

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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2015, 12:01:50 PM »
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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2015, 01:11:01 AM »
I ordered a pair through the Kickstarter offer when they were first mentioned here.

But it looks like they are having trouble with the Android app development--according to a recent update, the June launch is now pushed toward July. Will certainly report when (if?) they arrive, but it's not going to be soon.

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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2015, 10:14:36 AM »
I pinged the man in charge of these and directed him to this thread. He's waiting for TS member approval.
Mics:
DPA 4028 (wide cards)
DPA 4023 (cards)
Earthworks TC25 (omnis) 
AT853u (cards, hypers)
Sound Professionals (omnis)


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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2015, 11:18:30 AM »
Android definitely supports class 1 USB audio and I think even class 2.  I don't know anything about bluetooth though.  I didn't think there was a BT spec that came close to audiophile expectations.

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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2015, 02:24:36 PM »
I'm very familiar with ExtremeSD.  I have their USB recording and playback apps.  I did a festival show last fall and recorded 4 bands at 24/96 on my android phone using their app.


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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2015, 03:49:01 PM »
More correctly, not supported by the android OS, but fully supported by the kernel (which is linux, not android).  That's how ExtremeSD was able to implement it; with it's own kernel drivers.  The Android AOSP project, at least as early as 4.4 (first time I started kernel sound hacking on the Android) , has ALSA support in the source tree.  A simple change in the makefile and it will compile in and can be used in android apps via the Java JNI interface, or natively via the core OS and shell commands.  This is not very convenient for most Android users, but doable (as was the case with ExtremeSD).

I haven't done much sound hacking since, and I down't own any Audio 2.0 class devices (I don't think), but I'm getting the itch to try and see what I can do with one and the new 5.1 Android OS.  I know that what Android actually exposes in  the API is pretty crappy, but I'm sure that there's a lot under the hood that can be exposed.

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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2015, 06:15:49 PM »
Its kind of neat, if you want to convert to headphone playback. 
Having done a huge amount of true binaural, quasi-binaural, HRTF, baffled omnis, and OSS, I'll stick with baffled omni, quasi-binaural techniques, as they more easily make the crossover to speaker playback.

I'm speaking in the sense of an analog device. I know very little about these fanged bluetooth thingies.

followup question, if anyone knows,..
Are the mics removable? reposition-able within the ear canal?
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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2015, 10:16:08 PM »
Its kind of neat, if you want to convert to headphone playback. 
Having done a huge amount of true binaural, quasi-binaural, HRTF, baffled omnis, and OSS, I'll stick with baffled omni, quasi-binaural techniques, as they more easily make the crossover to speaker playback.

I'm speaking in the sense of an analog device. I know very little about these fanged bluetooth thingies.

followup question, if anyone knows,..
Are the mics removable? reposition-able within the ear canal?

great questions.  i'm hoping his membership gets approved quick.  i'm pretty interested in this deal.
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Earthworks TC25 (omnis) 
AT853u (cards, hypers)
Sound Professionals (omnis)


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bm2p+ Edirol UA-5
Sound Professionals 2 wire battbox w/ rolloff

Recorders:
Oade CM Edirol R-44
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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2015, 05:59:27 PM »
Now delayed until December 2015.

From Kickstarter blog:

Through sheer determination and passion, we've managed to silence many doubters. However, despite the impressive hurdle-leaping our team has accomplished thus far, the laws of time cannot be bent. Our factory has delivered some somber news, and though I’ll spare you the nuts and bolts for now, I want to let the original backers know that we will be suffering manufacturing delays. The new proposed date for delivery is December 2015.

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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2015, 07:06:21 AM »
Yeah, I had an email a few days ago stating "winter 2015" as the revised date.  Typical of such projects.  Whenever I back them I just say to myself "one day this will arrive - if I'm lucky"!

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Re: Hooke binaural bluetooth recording system
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 08:39:58 PM »
According to their facebook site, the Hooke devices are almost ready to ship - at last...

Sadly these days I'm doing virtually no recording, but when I get mine I'll at least do some tests and report what I can, though it's unlikely to be with live music.

https://www.facebook.com/hookeaudio
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