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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2016, 10:29:06 PM »
...looky here, $109/ea for 4TB HGST's:  http://www.frys.com/product/6943757?clickid=w15yVWXaZ3SfU92TFZUsgRzFUkSz4IQhxytbwM0


That's not the HGST NAS drive, that's just their regular 4TB drive. You want the NAS version if you're doing NAS, as it's made to run all the time, and not go to sleep in the middle of a RAID array.
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2016, 12:37:02 PM »
...looky here, $109/ea for 4TB HGST's:  http://www.frys.com/product/6943757?clickid=w15yVWXaZ3SfU92TFZUsgRzFUkSz4IQhxytbwM0


That's not the HGST NAS drive, that's just their regular 4TB drive. You want the NAS version if you're doing NAS, as it's made to run all the time, and not go to sleep in the middle of a RAID array.
http://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/nas-desktop-drive-kit

Simply untrue.  I have had 5 of those 32MB/5400rpm drives in my QNAP-TS569L running RAID 6 for a couple of years now.  They run 24/7 and have never had a hiccup.  The HGST drives, NAS flavor or not, are leaps and bounds more reliable than the Seagate/WD economy models.  Mine don't sleep or head park.

Backblaze uses 10's of 1000's of drives in there data centers and the image below represents there most recent report of drive failures they see.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q4-2015/

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2015-drive-failures-barchart.jpg
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2016, 05:51:58 PM »
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2016, 05:53:38 PM »
Personally, for the time, I store all 24flac on Drobo NAS, may go back and add more formats, for the time, felt this was best storage.
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2016, 01:40:16 AM »
Oh? Then why do they make an NAS version with different stats than they regular deskstar? https://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives

That's not the HGST NAS drive, that's just their regular 4TB drive. You want the NAS version if you're doing NAS, as it's made to run all the time, and not go to sleep in the middle of a RAID array.
http://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/nas-desktop-drive-kit

Simply untrue.  I have had 5 of those 32MB/5400rpm drives in my QNAP-TS569L running RAID 6 for a couple of years now.  They run 24/7 and have never had a hiccup.  The HGST drives, NAS flavor or not, are leaps and bounds more reliable than the Seagate/WD economy models.  Mine don't sleep or head park.


I am afraid that "simply untrue" does not convince me, nor do your links which do not address the difference between NAS drives and those made without that designation. Your links only address the difference between manufacturers, not specific models.
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2016, 04:01:40 PM »

I am afraid that "simply untrue" does not convince me, nor do your links which do not address the difference between NAS drives and those made without that designation. Your links only address the difference between manufacturers, not specific models.


Most NAS drives have a 3-year warranty and that's the biggest difference vs. regular (desktop grade) drives. If you're using multiple drives in a mirrored RAID configuration (which I highly recommend for a NAS used to store critical data), it shouldn't make much of a difference as long as you replace a faulty drive right away. Both are consumer grade hard drives and *will* fail sooner than later.

I always use regular drives and replace them every 2-3 years (although not all at the same time). Because newer drives are usually bigger than older drives, my NAS continually grows.

Oh, and I'm using a cheap $100 4x hard disk enclosure that's connected to a Banana Pi (like a Raspberry Pi on steroids) via eSATA. Total cost is roughly $150 including the Banana Pi, power supply and cables. And I get to use the ZFS file system on Linux which is a good thing because ZFS has been designed with a priority on data integrity.

Also, I keep backups of my most critical data (pictures, videos, scans of important documents, my own recordings) on separate hard disks off-site.
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2016, 11:32:02 AM »
Sounds like a nice setup. Could you share some details? Like case, OS, etc? Have you measured power usage?

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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2016, 02:22:36 AM »
Sounds like a nice setup. Could you share some details? Like case, OS, etc? Have you measured power usage?

That's the drive enclosure I use. The web page is in German but the pictures should give you an idea.

http://www.fantec.de/en/products/storage-devices/hard-drive-cases/35-inch-hard-drive-cases/produkt/details/artikel/1695_fantec_qb_35us3_6g/

It's a dumb enclosure for 4 SATA drives that has a USB 3.0 and SATA port on the back. That SATA port is connected to the Banana Pi:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pi

Banana Pi is a single-board computer that runs Ubuntu Linux off a SD card. It has an ethernet port that I use to connect it to my local LAN. I realize this thing is probably not very consumer-friendly as it requires a bit of knowledge of the Linux operating system (e.g. you have to compile the kernel modules for the SATA port's multiplier feature yourself). But I do that for work, so that's not a big deal for me.

I currently have two mirrored sets of hard disks in the enclosure (2x 4TB and 2x 2TB). The mirroring is done on the file system level (ZFS does that natively) and the ZFS volumes are available to my local LAN through AFP and CIFS shares).

I haven't measured power usage, but I can do that the next time I shut it down. ;)
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2016, 05:15:38 PM »
Thanks for the details. Which distro are you using? I haven't built a custom kernel since about 1999!

The ZFS looks very interesting. I also saw that there is a similar GPL checksum + CoW effort called Btrfs that has been integrated in to the kernel since 2009.

While researching, I've read that you need at least 4-8GB of ECC RAM. Are you finding that performance is not an issue with 1GB? Are you at all concerned about using non-ECC RAM?

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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2016, 02:04:38 PM »
I'm interested in setting up a NAS. Trying to decide between Synology and Qnap. This would mostly be for streaming music. I think I want to go with Synology as the GUI seems easier to use. Not sure if I need to splurge on the play or + models. I think I want a 4 disc model. Any suggestions or advise appreciated.
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2016, 03:11:47 PM »
I'm interested in setting up a NAS. Trying to decide between Synology and Qnap. This would mostly be for streaming music. I think I want to go with Synology as the GUI seems easier to use. Not sure if I need to splurge on the play or + models. I think I want a 4 disc model. Any suggestions or advise appreciated.

I have the QNAP TS-569L Turbo which is a 5-bay with expandable RAM and an ATOM CPU.  It's GUI is pretty easy to follow and using the QFile app I can stream music wherever I want.  Watch over at Slickdeals.com to find a good deal on a 4-day of either flavor.  I think that Newegg has the TS-451 with four 3TB Reds for $695 right now.

Since my 20TB is in RAID 6 I ran out of room after only a couple of years.  I am more interested in building a full blown array from scratch now.  I really don't need GUIs, bloatapps I will never use, and lots of bells and whistles these days.
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2016, 04:51:26 PM »
Thanks. My goal is to get the 2.5TB of phish flacs I've collected into a Plex server that I can use with Sonos to defeat the 65k track limit. I've read that Plex is harder to use with Qnap and that was partly my reason for favoring Synology. I'll look into the NAS you suggested though.
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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2016, 04:53:42 PM »
happy synology user -- went with their 5 bay model and have subsequently added another 5bay expansion chassis to it -- using 3tb wd red drives.  Have had 2 drive failures so far (over around 6 years?) and system worked as advertised (received email notification of failure after receiving prior notifications regarding issues with drive and redundancy restored without data loss, etc.  Use a # of their apps too -- REALLY like the ability to share files/directories/etc. with friends.

It's not perfect, but does a nice job for me

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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2016, 04:55:42 PM »
Avoid Buffalo products.  Their stuff fails and they DO NOT stand behind their products.  Happy with my Synology NAS.

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Re: NAS storage for audio files?
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2016, 05:02:52 PM »
Thanks. My goal is to get the 2.5TB of phish flacs I've collected into a Plex server that I can use with Sonos to defeat the 65k track limit. I've read that Plex is harder to use with Qnap and that was partly my reason for favoring Synology. I'll look into the NAS you suggested though.

I do have problems running Plex on my QNAP to stream video.  I have not tried to use it to catalog my audio for that reason. 
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