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Naiant IPA
« on: March 16, 2016, 03:47:07 PM »
Jon, could you explain the IPA and how it can power microphone capsules, and which microphone capsules?  Who builds the cables for say the Schoeps caps, or the AKG caps?  I know of the Schoeps KCY and Nbob's, but nothing else.  Maybe other's might be curious as I am.

I haven't seen this thing discussed much other in the retail forum. 

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2016, 04:39:22 PM »
Mmmmm hoppy  :P
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2016, 05:31:14 PM »
That's because I haven't shipped any yet.  Later this week the first few will trickle out.

Basically it's the PFA circuit in a slightly larger case with space for an A23 battery and selectable gain.  So anything a PFA can do, an IPA can do as well.  The caveat being the power supply is limited to what an A23 battery can do (9V reliably), so higher-voltage systems such as Nbox or my AKGs can't be supported with internal battery (they could run on external power or phantom).  KCY, MBHO, PIP, 3-wire, anything else that is <9V FET supply can be supported with internal battery.

The PFA polarization circuit can be added, so the polarization voltage can be 40V-60V.

And sorry, it's Inline Powered Amplifier :(

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2016, 05:46:30 PM »
Sounds very interesting. Since you say it's basically the PFA circuit, can we expect it to sound the same as the PFAs?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2016, 05:51:14 PM »
I just ordered some.  Looking forward to trying it out.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2016, 07:12:03 PM »
Sounds very interesting. Since you say it's basically the PFA circuit, can we expect it to sound the same as the PFAs?

Pretty much.  The audio path is nearly identical, except for the gain setting--PFAs can be configured for gain, but almost nobody has ever ordered them that way (except for the dynamic mic versions).  Although most PFA circuits will have +6dB gain which is inherent in generating the electrically balanced output.  The IPA isn't designed to do that, it's either unbalanced or impedance-balanced output.  It could be electrically balanced, but that would double power consumption which is kinda dear with an A23.  I would think most people are going to use it as a stereo unbalanced amp feeding a minijack input recorder.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2016, 10:22:43 PM »
Will the polarization option require external power or phantom?

Any idea on normal run times with internal?

I should have waited and tried a set! I just got in my 2nd set of pfa's with polarization.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2016, 10:59:56 PM »
Will the polarization option require external power or phantom?

No, it can run on the A23.

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Any idea on normal run times with internal?

This is buried deep in the specs--the polarization circuit does use a fair amount of power, so runtime is not as long:

Autonomy (A23 battery, stereo): 20 hours
Autonomy (A23 battery, stereo “active”): 10 hours
Autonomy (A23 battery, mono): 50 hours
Autonomy (A23 battery, mono “active”): 16 hours

Damn, I was hoping for a Naiant line of beers.  >:D

I'm more of a winemaker, actually I'm a former vineyard owner (never made wine commercially though).  But honestly, I'm pretty happy with Guinness (best from an Irish tap) and Yuengling (from the tap at the bowling alley).  I usually don't like microbrews, many of them seem to be trying too hard.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2016, 02:56:03 AM »
I don't really understand how phantom power works with the IPA. I was always under the impression that a balanced cable was necessary for phantom power to work, but the stereo version of IPA seems to have unbalanced outputs only. How would I connect a stereo IPA to a recorder that has dual phantom-powered XLR inputs?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2016, 07:35:34 AM »
You would use a Y cable (which would be impedance-balanced).  But in that case, I'd probably stick with a PFA instead, as it's less expensive once you include the cost of the Y cable.  Or you could use two IPAs, which is definitely more expensive.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2016, 10:25:49 AM »
You would use a Y cable (which would be impedance-balanced).

Is that just a plain cable that routes pin 2 of the IPA to the left channel's pin 2 and pin 3 of the IPA to the right channel's pin 2? Or would a small circuit be required?

I'd be interested in the IPA basically as a backup for my tinybox. But phantom power would be nice for occasionally using the "big rig". However, that only makes sense if there's a relatively cheap way for me to wire this up. Otherwise, a simple 3.5mm to dual line adapter would probably also do the job.

Also, a completely unrelated question about the battery that the IPA uses. Are there rechargeable versions of this?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2016, 10:48:59 AM »
would this make CCM's > Sony M10 possible??
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2016, 11:50:54 AM »
I'm under the impression all you need is ( for Schoeps ) Schoeps caps, KCY, IPA, and a M10.   Is this correct?

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2016, 01:37:35 PM »
IPA will support KCY, but not CCM.  CCM runs on phantom power, and even though it will use 12V, the current required is way too high for an A23 battery.  Your best bet for CCM is to use an XLR input recorder.

IPA could also support CMR.

The Y output cable needs components (a capacitor and resistor) to be balanced, but the IPA is happy if the cable isn't balanced--it doesn't know either way.  The question is then what to do with pin 3--probably your preamp would be unhappy with it grounded (it would waste a lot of power), but it might not like if it was floating either.  It depends on the circuit they used.  So the impedance-balanced cable is the best solution.

I am not aware of rechargeable A23s (it's a button stack battery), but you can buy A23s for less than $1 each in bulk.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2016, 08:25:26 PM »
I got my pair in the mail a week or so ago.  Just got a chance to use them last weekend. 
Nice easy setup and a low profile.  I think the recordings sound pretty nice too. 
Very similar tone compared to my old Littlebox. To my ear anyway.

I forgot to brink my small flathead to play with the gain adjustment. 
Looking forward to putting them through their paces in the coming weeks.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2016, 10:18:54 AM »
Good to hear.  Please share some pictures of the IPA rig.  Thanks!
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2016, 11:23:22 AM »
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2016, 11:53:17 AM »
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2016, 01:47:22 PM »
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.

Sorry to be the one to ask a dumb question..  Where is the phantom power coming from in this example? If I read correctly, the IPA can do 9V with its internal battery. I assume that is insufficient to power MBHOs (and Schoeps), correct?

But (again if I read it correctly) you can connect an external battery to the IPA, and then it can provide P48 -- is that right?

Finally -- it appears one could go Schoeps stereo pair>KCY>IPA>split XLR cable>deck, correct?  In this example, is it the case that:

A: The deck must provide P48 or
B: The deck can provide P48 OR you can connect a battery to the IPA and it can provide P48...

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2016, 08:47:21 PM »
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.

Sorry to be the one to ask a dumb question..  Where is the phantom power coming from in this example? If I read correctly, the IPA can do 9V with its internal battery. I assume that is insufficient to power MBHOs (and Schoeps), correct?

But (again if I read it correctly) you can connect an external battery to the IPA, and then it can provide P48 -- is that right?

Finally -- it appears one could go Schoeps stereo pair>KCY>IPA>split XLR cable>deck, correct?  In this example, is it the case that:

A: The deck must provide P48 or
B: The deck can provide P48 OR you can connect a battery to the IPA and it can provide P48...



I'm very curious of that exact same info AJ :) I've been slacking on new Naiant products and didn't even know of an IPA until I saw this thread 8)
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2016, 09:08:12 PM »
http://naiant.com/studio-electronics-products/inline-devices/ipa-flexible-power-inline-amplifier/

Thanks buddy 8)

EDIT: I cant tell through browsing, but this can be powered with Phantom Power of my 70d XLR Inputs ??? Or do I need an external powering option? I was going to get a 2nd PFA soon, but these look pretty cool! Very cool option for small setup & powering/gain! I just really don't need the gain of these! I guess a PFA is more what I'm looking for at the moment! BUT, I like that Jon is still expanding things and making new, very neat/cool products ;D 8)

So you can run caps>IPA>M10 easily! So badass IMO! Or I could run caps>IPA>70d, just not sure about the powering for the IPA ??? I know I'm overlooking it on Jon's webpage :(
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2016, 08:10:40 AM »
Bean, read the above webpage:

POWER OPTIONS

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:

+9V to +52V phantom power
an internal A23 battery (optional; not included)
external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)

You could use Capsules> KCY> IPA> Recorder. The IPA's internal battery would provide the 60v to the caps, and the IPA could provide basic gain. As Jon's said in the thread, this is a replacement for the tinybox.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2016, 09:12:52 AM »
I would love to see some pics  ;D



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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2016, 11:04:15 AM »
I would love to see some pics  ;D

Just add caps and a M10.


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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2016, 11:56:39 AM »
^ Thanks!

That's a nice small piece of gear


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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2016, 07:49:21 PM »
I'm going to have to grab one of these!!  Slick setup, Is that a 5pin XLR on the IPA?? 

I would love to see some pics  ;D

Just add caps and a M10.


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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2016, 05:30:38 AM »
I would love to see some pics  ;D

Just add caps and a M10.



Very nice ;D You could've also gotten the IPA with a mini 1/8" output as well, correct? Just trying to figure out why you didn't just get the mini 1/8" output on your IPA ??? Cant you get an IPA with the 1/8" Mini output AND the 5-pin XLR output, with an extended IPA case ??? That way you could have the Mini output AND the 5-pin XLR output, without the need for the 5-pin XLR>1/8" Mini cable? Sorry for ALL of the questions, but I just started doing research on these, and this is the first one Ive seen with some Schoeps ;D Did you do that just so you can run into a Preamp/Recorder with Balanced XLR Inputs/Phantom Power, as well as the 5-pin XLR>Mini cable that you have pictured ???

And Im with JBell, I need to grab one of those eventually!

Bean, read the above webpage:

POWER OPTIONS

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:

+9V to +52V phantom power
an internal A23 battery (optional; not included)
external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)

You could use Capsules> KCY> IPA> Recorder. The IPA's internal battery would provide the 60v to the caps, and the IPA could provide basic gain. As Jon's said in the thread, this is a replacement for the tinybox.


Thanks Noah 8) I saw that, but just wanted someone to confirm that the IPA could be powered solely with my 70d's Phantom Power ;D Seems like its def possible! Since I no longer run a small handheld deck[M10/R9/DR2D/etc], a PFA would be better suited towards my current needs! But for someone running a small active setup, with a small deck, this would be a GREAT option for some compact gain ;D Especially for you stea&lthers out there ;)
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2016, 09:06:42 AM »
Jon,

I almost always wish that I had taken a few electronics courses early on in my life before asking any questions that will have obvious answers to you.   Anyway, here goes.

Let's say that I would occasionally want the ability to run a balanced output originating from:  my Nbox ---> Line In --->multi channel XLR recorder.  I do not have a KCY Nbox, I have the Nbob version.  You already supplied me with a PFA for this Gefell/Schoeps rig but I wouldn't be using that option in this case.  My Nbox has a male, 3pin, mini XLR out.

What IPA config would you recommend to me to accomplish what I want to accomplish here?  Would I need two IPA's?

thank you,

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2016, 10:22:04 AM »
You don't need an IPA, you need a Y cable, ideally with a resistor to match the output impedance of the Nbox (which I don't know).

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2016, 10:33:59 AM »
You don't need an IPA, you need a Y cable, ideally with a resistor to match the output impedance of the Nbox (which I don't know).

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2016, 11:54:00 AM »
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2016, 07:05:03 AM »
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.


Just wondered buddy 8) I just saw the option to have the extended case for the ability to have an XLR AND Mini output, and was curious why you went with one over the other! Since you're the first person I've seen with one of these, I'm obviously very curious about it, so sorry for all of the questions Gormenghast ;) I think its a beautiful design overall and I really want one now ;D I love that its a stereo PFA/Amp, yet housed in such a TINY package! I can't wait to hear your first shows with it! I'm very glad that Jon is still providing HQ products tailored to OUR needs, and at amazing prices too IMO! Like I said, I can't wait to hear some shows this these ;D
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2016, 02:02:07 PM »
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.


Just wondered buddy 8) I just saw the option to have the extended case for the ability to have an XLR AND Mini output, and was curious why you went with one over the other! Since you're the first person I've seen with one of these, I'm obviously very curious about it, so sorry for all of the questions Gormenghast ;) I think its a beautiful design overall and I really want one now ;D I love that its a stereo PFA/Amp, yet housed in such a TINY package! I can't wait to hear your first shows with it! I'm very glad that Jon is still providing HQ products tailored to OUR needs, and at amazing prices too IMO! Like I said, I can't wait to hear some shows this these ;D

All's good bean  :D

Ask any question you like and I'll do the best to answer. 

As for recordings--it'll be a while until I can get away for something to tape.  My kids keep me busy with sports and when it's not sports, it's always something else.  But we have a big run with SCI.  Journey, Doobie Bro's, Foreigner, and a few bluegrass stuff planned this summer.  We'll see what happens.  I took my son and daughter to SCI last January and ditched the rig and hung out with them for their first big concert experience.  Such a  great hit with my son that he wants to do more but this time around I might roll tape and see if he's interested in that sort of thing. 

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2016, 03:47:47 PM »
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.


Just wondered buddy 8) I just saw the option to have the extended case for the ability to have an XLR AND Mini output, and was curious why you went with one over the other! Since you're the first person I've seen with one of these, I'm obviously very curious about it, so sorry for all of the questions Gormenghast ;) I think its a beautiful design overall and I really want one now ;D I love that its a stereo PFA/Amp, yet housed in such a TINY package! I can't wait to hear your first shows with it! I'm very glad that Jon is still providing HQ products tailored to OUR needs, and at amazing prices too IMO! Like I said, I can't wait to hear some shows this these ;D

All's good bean  :D

Ask any question you like and I'll do the best to answer. 

As for recordings--it'll be a while until I can get away for something to tape.  My kids keep me busy with sports and when it's not sports, it's always something else.  But we have a big run with SCI.  Journey, Doobie Bro's, Foreigner, and a few bluegrass stuff planned this summer.  We'll see what happens.  I took my son and daughter to SCI last January and ditched the rig and hung out with them for their first big concert experience.  Such a  great hit with my son that he wants to do more but this time around I might roll tape and see if he's interested in that sort of thing. 

Sounds like a good summer to me! You never know, you're son could be a tapir waiting to blossom lol ;D But its really cool that he was into SCI and wants to continue seeing shows with you 8) I'll definitely keep my eyes open for some of your IPA tapes! And thanks again for answering all of my questions! I'm very intrigued now!!!
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2016, 12:01:26 PM »
Bean, read the above webpage:

POWER OPTIONS

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:

+9V to +52V phantom power
an internal A23 battery (optional; not included)
external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)

You could use Capsules> KCY> IPA> Recorder. The IPA's internal battery would provide the 60v to the caps, and the IPA could provide basic gain. As Jon's said in the thread, this is a replacement for the tinybox.
I read the webpage but what you just wrote above was not clear to me from reading it. "Can support" is the not the same notion as "can deliver" in terms of power supply. The above (especially the picture) did clarify it for me...

Likewise, someone please indulge yet another question I can't figure out from the website:

I have some NBob cables with the standard NBox connectors (I believe those are EN3s -- the things that screw together). If anyone has adapted those to a tinybox or IPA, how did you do it? I feel like I asked folks about adapters and it's maybe not possible, but want to throw that question out there again.... (currently they have an attachment cable that terminates in two PFAs)
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2016, 03:56:11 PM »
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It is possible to add the new PFA polarization voltage circuit to v1 tinyboxes internally, so that v1 tinyboxes can also support actives.
Is it a TB version 1? Above is a quote from a closed topic in the Retail Section. I know Jon made many Nbox supported Tinyboxes...and if you now have the PFA internal I guess it's just a matter of a new pigtail with the correct Nbox Binder connectors.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2016, 04:03:35 PM »
IPA does not support Nbox format because the supply for the FET is 8-10V.  Any tinybox can be modified to support Nbox, I would recommend via 6-pin mini-XLR adaptor.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2016, 06:29:22 PM »
Hi Jon,
I'm just after an IPA with stereo minijacks in/out and a 3 way gain switch- 0/10/15....got plenty of 23A batteries.
All possible?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2016, 04:25:16 PM »
It could be done but there still has to be something at the far end of the case; a minijack is too small for that hole (it starts like as an RCA D-panel).  So the minijacks would both have to be on top of the case next to each other, or maybe on the side with the LED.  Then I could use a blank panel on the end, but that would have to be plastic.

I recommend using a 3-pin mini-XLR as a PIP input, although I know few mics are wired that way.  It's a worthwhile change to get a latching connector that won't wear out.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2016, 05:12:58 PM »
Here is my IPA setup

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot:

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2016, 06:49:35 AM »
Hey Jon,
Thanks for the reply on the board.
I would like to order a pair of IPA's with the stereo mini-jack in/out and 3 way gain switch....can the minijacks be placed either end..one for-in the other-out ??...I don't mind a plastic end if that is what you will use...it makes for a neat "inline" small pre which is what I want.
In any case please reply and tell me how to describe this on your website when ordering....or PM me.
( am happy to have a very short stereo minijack>>minixlr cable made as a go-between if it is possible for the reason you mention.)
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2016, 11:42:10 AM »
Jon doesn't use the PM system on the Board.  Better to e-mail him:

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He is very responsive.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2016, 09:24:27 AM »
Thanks!....will do

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2016, 02:55:44 PM »
Looks very interesting.  Marking thread.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2016, 10:56:17 AM »
Here is my IPA setup



Why two IPA's?

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2016, 02:13:23 PM »
Here is my IPA setup



Why two IPA's?
one for each channel/mic I assume

I am still confused with these though, they can run 9v "pip" mics correct ??
They can run "actives", in my case naiant akg, correct ??
They can NOT run 48v mics, correct ??
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2016, 12:01:31 AM »
How do these work with the KCY cable?  The KCY is a Y-cable that connects to two caps, so that would mean you only need one IPA for a set of two MK caps?  And what was the reason again why there can only be an XLR+1/8" output but not just a 1/8" output?  Is it due to design/pre-make parts or some other reason?

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2016, 05:47:37 AM »
Here's mine, next to my tinybox for size comparison. Click on the picture for a bigger version.



How do these work with the KCY cable?  The KCY is a Y-cable that connects to two caps, so that would mean you only need one IPA for a set of two MK caps?

I suppose it works the same way my Nbob/IPA setup works.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2016, 05:16:28 PM »
Here's mine, next to my tinybox for size comparison. Click on the picture for a bigger version.

Thanks for the pic!

So it looks like you use a single IPA with a KCY (? of is that a "Nbob" cable?) cable to power two MK caps.  I see there is a 1/8" cable plugged in on the end that the KCY cable plugs into the IPA, and is that the XLR output on the other end?  It looks like nothing is plugged in on that end in the pic. 

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2016, 06:09:28 PM »
So it looks like you use a single IPA with a KCY (? of is that a "Nbob" cable?) cable to power two MK caps.  I see there is a 1/8" cable plugged in on the end that the KCY cable plugs into the IPA, and is that the XLR output on the other end?  It looks like nothing is plugged in on that end in the pic. 

That's an NBob cable, but I see no reason why KCY would work any different if you order the KCY version of the IPA. And yes, you don't need to use the XLR output at all. You can just use the 3.5mm output to feed a portable recorder like the M10. I have yet to run this setup in the field, though (just got the IPA in the mail yesterday).
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2016, 06:17:04 PM »
That's an NBob cable, but I see no reason why KCY would work any different if you order the KCY version of the IPA. And yes, you don't need to use the XLR output at all. You can just use the 3.5mm output to feed a portable recorder like the M10. I have yet to run this setup in the field, though (just got the IPA in the mail yesterday).

Thanks, that helps a lot.  But does the IPA provide phantom power?  I think Jon said in a different thread that it does not?  And do you know how easy/hard it is to replace batteries?

Thanks again!

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2016, 02:51:27 AM »
Thanks, that helps a lot.  But does the IPA provide phantom power?  I think Jon said in a different thread that it does not?  And do you know how easy/hard it is to replace batteries?

It does not provide phantom power, but it's capable of powering active mic capsules directly.

Battery replacement is easy. You open the IPA using two thumb screws. It looks like this when opened:



As you can see, the battery clip is right there.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2016, 08:58:08 AM »
So it looks like you use a single IPA with a KCY (? of is that a "Nbob" cable?) cable to power two MK caps.  I see there is a 1/8" cable plugged in on the end that the KCY cable plugs into the IPA, and is that the XLR output on the other end?  It looks like nothing is plugged in on that end in the pic. 

That's an NBob cable, but I see no reason why KCY would work any different if you order the KCY version of the IPA. And yes, you don't need to use the XLR output at all. You can just use the 3.5mm output to feed a portable recorder like the M10. I have yet to run this setup in the field, though (just got the IPA in the mail yesterday).

Are your NBOB cables terminated to mini xlr?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2016, 11:27:51 AM »
Are your NBOB cables terminated to mini xlr?

Yeah, I originally had them made for use with my tinybox.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2016, 12:43:53 PM »
Was going to grab a second PFA but this thing is more versatile, can run into an m10 or 1/8 into a 661 great for  >:D
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2016, 03:10:12 AM »
It does not provide phantom power, but it's capable of powering active mic capsules directly.

Battery replacement is easy. You open the IPA using two thumb screws. It looks like this when opened:

As you can see, the battery clip is right there.

Nice!  I didn't realize you didn't need phantom power, that's great.  Thanks for the pic.  Looks nice and compact, although I do prefer the Tinybox form factor.  I suppose the IPA would be better for stealthing since it is so thin and compact, and could be an easy backup to a Tinybox as well.  Would be good to have both.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2016, 02:26:24 PM »
It does not provide phantom power, but it's capable of powering active mic capsules directly.

Battery replacement is easy. You open the IPA using two thumb screws. It looks like this when opened:

As you can see, the battery clip is right there.

Nice!  I didn't realize you didn't need phantom power, that's great.  Thanks for the pic.  Looks nice and compact, although I do prefer the Tinybox form factor.  I suppose the IPA would be better for stealthing since it is so thin and compact, and could be an easy backup to a Tinybox as well.  Would be good to have both.
yeah tb was killer IMO because it covered all bases, pip/48/actives plus it's size and battery life.
This looks cool if you have a y cable that it supports otherwise having two seems like it could be more challenging and of course leaves the door open for more errors
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2016, 03:48:30 PM »
I suppose the IPA would be better for stealthing since it is so thin and compact, and could be an easy backup to a Tinybox as well.  Would be good to have both.

I haven't stealthed with the IPA, yet. But judging from my first impressions, I think I also prefer the tinybox form factor for stealth because it seems to be slightly better pocketable. That being said, IPA should do the job as well. It's still damn small, just not as tiny as tb. ;-)

I mainly got it to have a backup for my tinybox (whose batteries are rather old) and as an alternative with exchangeable batteries (e.g. for festivals where I can't recharge tinybox).
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #59 on: July 12, 2016, 03:35:41 AM »
Nice!  I didn't realize you didn't need phantom power, that's great.  Thanks for the pic.  Looks nice and compact, although I do prefer the Tinybox form factor.

Someone needs to start making a Tinybox knockoff!  Or maybe Jon could sell his designs or license them out to some intrepid taper/entrepreneur?  :P

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« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2016, 03:37:56 AM »
I haven't stealthed with the IPA, yet. But judging from my first impressions, I think I also prefer the tinybox form factor for stealth because it seems to be slightly better pocketable. That being said, IPA should do the job as well. It's still damn small, just not as tiny as tb. ;-)

I mainly got it to have a backup for my tinybox (whose batteries are rather old) and as an alternative with exchangeable batteries (e.g. for festivals where I can't recharge tinybox).

That's what I would do with it too, use it as a back up for a tinybox or maybe as a stealth option as it seems slightly smaller, especially if you chopped off the XLR output end.  Of course, I don't even own any mics...

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2016, 08:30:32 PM »
I just ordered an IPA for my schleps caps and nbob kcy, looking forward to playing with it. I was gonna pick up a backup PFA anyway but figured the IPA is more versatile in that I can run either my 661 with it phantom on or off, or my M10. And it's pretty freaking tiny.  >:D
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #62 on: July 15, 2016, 06:14:50 AM »
I just ordered an IPA for my schleps caps and nbob kcy, looking forward to playing with it. I was gonna pick up a backup PFA anyway but figured the IPA is more versatile in that I can run either my 661 with it phantom on or off, or my M10. And it's pretty freaking tiny.  >:D

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #63 on: July 15, 2016, 11:03:16 AM »
I just ordered an IPA for my schleps caps and nbob kcy, looking forward to playing with it. I was gonna pick up a backup PFA anyway but figured the IPA is more versatile in that I can run either my 661 with it phantom on or off, or my M10. And it's pretty freaking tiny.  >:D

Noyce 8) Snap some pics when you get it please? I don't think Ive seen an IPA/Schoeps setup yet!

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #64 on: July 15, 2016, 11:12:05 AM »
I just ordered an IPA for my schleps caps and nbob kcy, looking forward to playing with it. I was gonna pick up a backup PFA anyway but figured the IPA is more versatile in that I can run either my 661 with it phantom on or off, or my M10. And it's pretty freaking tiny.  >:D

Noyce 8) Snap some pics when you get it please? I don't think Ive seen an IPA/Schoeps setup yet!

Will do.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #65 on: July 15, 2016, 12:13:01 PM »
There is a pic of the schoeps setup on page 2 of this thread!
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2016, 01:21:28 PM »
Bean did you mean nbob/IPA?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2016, 02:13:57 PM »
Same difference!!  I think it only powers KCY version of the Nbobs. 
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2016, 02:35:59 AM »
Cool pics thanks guys! Im really intrigued by this tiny lil thing! Cant wait to hear some "tapes" with it soon :)
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2016, 04:34:00 AM »
hi guys,
I need a final clarification about IPA for my equipment:

I bought a set of Nbob cables from Datfly some months ago. They should be v2 cables
see pic > http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/datfly/DSC01158w_zpsjzh5pq1u.jpg

that go into a connector that I plug into a 6-pin mini-xlr connecotr to a Naiant Tinybox (that should be v2.5)...

now what I would need to know is if I can use a Naiant IPA as a backup for my tinybox or of it can not correctly power the caps through Nbob Actives. I asked Jon but I could not clearly understand that (my bad, I'm a total dummy about this matter). It seems like the answer is YES if you have a KCY active cables set but I guess I've not...

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #70 on: July 28, 2016, 08:07:09 AM »
With a kcy schoeps or NBob yes!   So that is a no for you.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #71 on: July 28, 2016, 09:40:35 AM »
It will work just fine. Jon can make the IPA with the same input as your tinybox. This is how you do it:

1. Point your browser to: http://naiant.com/studio-electronics-products/inline-devices/ipa-flexible-power-inline-amplifier/
2. select the stereo tb6m as the input option
3. Select whatever you want as the output (don't get surprised that a single XLR can cary a *stereo* signal. It can. But you might want the mini jack too)
4. Select what gain option you want (most likely variable spindle)
5. Purchase the IPA
6. Share your recordings with us.

I've included a screen shot to make it ever more obvious.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 09:44:05 AM by noahbickart »
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #72 on: July 28, 2016, 10:23:21 AM »
From what I was told by Jon over email, is that it works for KCY only. Schoeps KCY or Nbob KCY should both be fine, but needs to be KCY.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #73 on: July 28, 2016, 10:59:54 AM »
This is how I understand it!!  The Nbob configuration requires different powering setup that the IPA won't do. 

From what I was told by Jon over email, is that it works for KCY only. Schoeps KCY or Nbob KCY should both be fine, but needs to be KCY.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #74 on: July 28, 2016, 12:19:56 PM »
not so clear to everyone then  ;D

from what I can understand it won't work for me unless I get my Nbob cables converted to KCY system...isn't it?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2016, 12:20:53 PM »
Due to the A23 battery, the IPA has maximum voltage supply to the mics of 8V (FET supply; the polarization voltage can be 60V), so the 16V nbox format won't work.  Also, an IPA only has a single-ended input, so one IPA can't support all microphone combinations that a tinybox could (that is, only one pair of input pins will be active with an IPA), and one IPA can only have a balanced input in mono and then only to a balanced-input recorder via the XLR output.






edit:  PS:  I've been sketching a digital version of the IPA that would have both analog & digital outputs in AES3/SPDIF format (optical as an option) and would run on 5V-10V digital or 12V-48V analog phantom power (analog output only) or 5V external.  This would have 110dBA dynamic range and options for preemphasis or dither for 16-bit compatibility (should be about 100dBA in 16-bit mode), and the ability to sync units via aux SPDIF input.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #76 on: July 29, 2016, 10:31:59 PM »
  PS:  I've been sketching a digital version of the IPA that would have both analog & digital outputs in AES3/SPDIF format (optical as an option) and would run on 5V-10V digital or 12V-48V analog phantom power (analog output only) or 5V external.  This would have 110dBA dynamic range and options for preemphasis or dither for 16-bit compatibility (should be about 100dBA in 16-bit mode), and the ability to sync units via aux SPDIF input.
so as someone who is always an idiot when it comes to understanding this stuff, if you are saying this version could support 48v mics, then I think it's a great idea.
The best part of a __box was the option to support multi formats. For example my tb does 48v/pip/actives and I love that so if the new IPA supported that too I would be super happy
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #77 on: July 29, 2016, 10:49:18 PM »
  PS:  I've been sketching a digital version of the IPA that would have both analog & digital outputs in AES3/SPDIF format (optical as an option) and would run on 5V-10V digital or 12V-48V analog phantom power (analog output only) or 5V external.  This would have 110dBA dynamic range and options for preemphasis or dither for 16-bit compatibility (should be about 100dBA in 16-bit mode), and the ability to sync units via aux SPDIF input.
so as someone who is always an idiot when it comes to understanding this stuff, if you are saying this version could support 48v mics, then I think it's a great idea.
The best part of a __box was the option to support multi formats. For example my tb does 48v/pip/actives and I love that so if the new IPA supported that too I would be super happy

No the IPA is a P48 device, it doesn't support P48 devices.  You should think of it as a microphone body that has a few added features.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2016, 04:45:36 PM »
  PS:  I've been sketching a digital version of the IPA that would have both analog & digital outputs in AES3/SPDIF format (optical as an option) and would run on 5V-10V digital or 12V-48V analog phantom power (analog output only) or 5V external.  This would have 110dBA dynamic range and options for preemphasis or dither for 16-bit compatibility (should be about 100dBA in 16-bit mode), and the ability to sync units via aux SPDIF input.
so as someone who is always an idiot when it comes to understanding this stuff, if you are saying this version could support 48v mics, then I think it's a great idea.
The best part of a __box was the option to support multi formats. For example my tb does 48v/pip/actives and I love that so if the new IPA supported that too I would be super happy

No the IPA is a P48 device, it doesn't support P48 devices.  You should think of it as a microphone body that has a few added features.
ahhh thanks, as a mic body that makes sense to me now
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #79 on: August 08, 2016, 12:12:25 AM »
Just received my IPA configured for Schoeps KXY cable, really neat little piece of gear.  Has anyone compared its performance to the Schoeps VST 62 IUg (discontinued, was an order of magnitude more expensive)??  Subjective opinions also welcome.  Just very curious...

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #80 on: August 08, 2016, 02:08:32 PM »
Just received my IPA configured for Schoeps KXY cable, really neat little piece of gear.  Has anyone compared its performance to the Schoeps VST 62 IUg (discontinued, was an order of magnitude more expensive)??  Subjective opinions also welcome.  Just very curious...

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How long from ordering did it take to ship?
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« Reply #81 on: August 08, 2016, 02:27:57 PM »

How long from ordering did it take to ship?

Roughly a month.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #82 on: August 31, 2016, 07:43:02 PM »
Just got mine, I'm pretty fired up, it's so damn tiny. Really glad I got the recessed gain pot. A23 batteries 3.99 a two pack at Home Depot, anyone do better? First show most likely Earle Colvin this Sunday.  :headphones:
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2016, 10:05:26 PM »
Mine just came too. I got the spindle, which I still have to figure out.

I'm thinking mk4v> nbob KCY> Naiant IPA> m10 will be small and easy and run forever.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2016, 11:57:24 PM »
Mine just came too. I got the spindle, which I still have to figure out.

I'm thinking mk41v> Schoeps KCY> Naiant IPA> m10 will be small and easy and run forever.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #85 on: September 01, 2016, 09:34:30 AM »
Mine just came too. I got the spindle, which I still have to figure out.

I'm thinking mk4v> nbob KCY> Naiant IPA> m10 will be small and easy and run forever.

Mine came 10 days ago. I'm thinking the same thing

mk4 > schoeps KCY> Naiant IPA> m10

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2016, 01:01:29 AM »
Definitely a cool and TINY device :) An mkxx->KCY->IPA->M10 would be tiny and killer sounding, I bet :) Cant wait to hear some stuff from these starting to circulate :) I love that Jon can do the 60v Polarization for the Schoeps caps with these tiny lil IPA's as well!
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2016, 02:23:16 AM »
So...for the Beyer CK930's would I be able to replace my mic bodies with these things? ...or would they go between the bodies and the recorder?

I'd be pretty happy to get rid of those bodies. CK930 caps > IPA > M10 would be pretty nice.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #88 on: September 02, 2016, 12:02:41 PM »
Yes.  You'd want to have some sort of adaptor cable to run two capsules into one IPA; I'd recommend the tinybox TB6M input format.

The IPA won't help with the 658 (handicap) series I dropped on your elders last night though  ;D

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #89 on: September 02, 2016, 05:33:04 PM »
Definitely a cool and TINY device :) An mkxx->KCY->IPA->M10 would be tiny and killer sounding, I bet :) Cant wait to hear some stuff from these starting to circulate :)

If you don't mind a little Krautrock, here's something I recorded last night:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=570428&hit=1
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #90 on: September 03, 2016, 08:06:50 AM »
Definitely a cool and TINY device :) An mkxx->KCY->IPA->M10 would be tiny and killer sounding, I bet :) Cant wait to hear some stuff from these starting to circulate :)

If you don't mind a little Krautrock, here's something I recorded last night:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=570428&hit=1


Unfortunately, I cant DL from Dime :P

EDIT: I just signed up for a new acct, but I don't see an option to DL the torrent file or anything from the page you linked?? I haven't been on Dime in forever, so any help would be much appreciated :)
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128gb & 64gb SanDisk Extreme Pro SD Cards

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #91 on: September 03, 2016, 08:20:30 AM »
^"torrent file" at the very top of page.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #92 on: September 03, 2016, 11:34:02 AM »
Definitely a cool and TINY device :) An mkxx->KCY->IPA->M10 would be tiny and killer sounding, I bet :) Cant wait to hear some stuff from these starting to circulate :)

If you don't mind a little Krautrock, here's something I recorded last night:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=570428&hit=1


Unfortunately, I cant DL from Dime :P

EDIT: I just signed up for a new acct, but I don't see an option to DL the torrent file or anything from the page you linked?? I haven't been on Dime in forever, so any help would be much appreciated :)

A new Dime account can only see whats available. You have to request a mod give you access to to downloading torrent files, or something like that.
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« Reply #93 on: September 04, 2016, 11:58:07 AM »
Unfortunately, I cant DL from Dime :P

Alright, here's a wetransfer link. Should be good for the next few days...
https://we.tl/KlNFJTQ2ra
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2016, 10:16:38 PM »
Any resident cable builders come up with a way to make a U-shaped XLR? So the cable exits back in the same direction it plugs in, putting the cable along side the IPA and back towards the input side. Might make the IPA more "pocket" friendly.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2016, 11:10:12 PM »
Any resident cable builders come up with a way to make a U-shaped XLR? So the cable exits back in the same direction it plugs in, putting the cable along side the IPA and back towards the input side. Might make the IPA more "pocket" friendly.

I posted a photo of my Schoeps IPA setup.  Jon made the XLR>stereo mini cable.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #96 on: September 08, 2016, 05:22:52 PM »
Any resident cable builders come up with a way to make a U-shaped XLR? So the cable exits back in the same direction it plugs in, putting the cable along side the IPA and back towards the input side. Might make the IPA more "pocket" friendly.

I posted a photo of my Schoeps IPA setup.  Jon made the XLR>stereo mini cable.
I think you misunderstand the point of my query. True, the whole input connector+IPA+XLR is not all that long, but the cables are going out of the IPA in opposite directions. Place it in a fanny pack or some other  >:D like location and one cable, the other, or both are likely to be bent. Several people in the thread have mentioned still having a preference for the Tinybox configuration even if it is larger in volume, perhaps because the IO is on the same side, better for  >:D. My suggestion is a custom built cable/connector that makes the output cable run back along the IPA so it is then in parallel with the input cable so there is less stress on the output cable in a tight situation. Including the 1/8" output and using that would alleviate the problem (with a right angle 1/8" plug), but having a locking XLR is nicer. Essentially making a chopped XLR but with additional potting to give it the full U-turn bend perhaps?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #97 on: September 08, 2016, 07:04:03 PM »
I understand.  I think the IPA can have a stereo mini output.  The hole on mine is where the gain knob is, but I think the mini output is in a similar spot but on a different side. 




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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #98 on: September 09, 2016, 12:00:37 PM »
Any resident cable builders come up with a way to make a U-shaped XLR? So the cable exits back in the same direction it plugs in, putting the cable along side the IPA and back towards the input side. Might make the IPA more "pocket" friendly.

I think a full-on U-shaped (180º) connector is probably overkill.  A right-angle connector with a subsequent 90º bend in the cable would accomplish the same goal.  But IME RA XLRs are pretty bulky.  Alternatively, you could use a RA connector on the input (much smaller), which would route the input cable back towards the output XLR.  Though this would put the IPA 'upside down', relative to your option.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #99 on: September 09, 2016, 12:15:08 PM »
here's mine:
Recording:
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Cables: 2x nbob KCY, Darktrain 2 and 4 channel KCY extensions:
Preamps:    Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Naiant PFA
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #100 on: September 09, 2016, 08:30:20 PM »
I understand.  I think the IPA can have a stereo mini output.  The hole on mine is where the gain knob is, but I think the mini output is in a similar spot but on a different side. 


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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #101 on: September 25, 2016, 02:48:55 AM »
Here's another one I pulled with the IPA: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=572229&hit=1

After using the IPA for a while, I don't think it sounds any different from my trusty tinybox. I'm still not happy with the form factor, though. But I might be able to come up with a solution to that...
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #102 on: September 26, 2016, 04:54:34 AM »
Schoeps MK4's & MK41's ->
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #103 on: October 09, 2016, 02:37:40 PM »
Here's some more Psychedelic Krautrock recorded with the IPA:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=573467&hit=1

... and some Garage Punk:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=573100&hit=1
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #104 on: October 22, 2016, 06:08:31 AM »
Finally took the IPA to a big show with a decent PA, and the result is awesome: https://soundcloud.com/user9705966/bhic2016-10-15_mk4_d1t13/s-jZgsX
The full recording is on Dime.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #105 on: October 22, 2016, 07:44:02 PM »
It sounds great! Congrats

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #106 on: November 27, 2016, 04:47:18 PM »
Got mine in the mail the other day (thanks Jon).

Mine is set up for my Beyer CK930's. Now I don't have to run my bodies...so nice. I can put this whole setup together in about a minute. Caps > cables > IPA > mini to mini cable > M10.

Now I need to pick up a new (smaller) pelican case for my caps, and maybe a new bag because the tiny bag I was already using is too big. :D

Also planning on getting one of the cable builders here to make me some shorter cables without techflex for stealthy operation. Also need to have them make a right angle to right angle 1/8" cable to go between the IPA and M10.

Going to try it all out on Friday for Mike Cooley in Denver.

Here are some pics (with and without my windscreens).





...

Thinking about picking up an external battery for long shows/festies and just to have as a backup power solution. A quick Amazon search brings up this sucker:

https://www.amazon.com/Talentcell-Lithium-Amplifier-Multi-led-indicator/dp/B00MHNQIR2/

A) Will this work? (I know I'll need to make a cable for it).
B) Any better options?

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #107 on: November 27, 2016, 06:41:06 PM »
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #108 on: November 27, 2016, 06:43:35 PM »
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.

Perfect! I have piles of USB batteries.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #109 on: January 06, 2017, 08:20:03 AM »
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.

Any update on this?
Recording:
Capsules: Schoeps mk41v, mk4v, mk22, mk3 & mk8
Cables: 2x nbob KCY, Darktrain 2 and 4 channel KCY extensions:
Preamps:    Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Naiant PFA
Recorders: Tascam Dr-70d, Sony PCM m10
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #110 on: January 06, 2017, 11:32:10 AM »
Not really, that design is done but I'm trying to finish a couple more designs before I order circuit boards.  Hopefully later in the month.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #111 on: January 14, 2017, 11:00:30 AM »
Finally got to run the IPA for the first time after a too long hiatus, for Kamasi Washington. Ran 4v>IPA>right angle mini cable>M10. I was about 30 feet from stage dead center. It sounds like it sounded, very good. Great job Jon!

Sorry I'm not advanced enough to upload it here, but if anyone is so motivated, I'll send a dvd. This might be the best jazz band going.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #112 on: January 14, 2017, 10:04:14 PM »
Marc, send me a PM and I'lll gladly UL that recording for you ;)

And I am DEF grabbing one of these! For the $$, size and sound quality, you simply can't go wrong! It's basically just a different PFA that actually has gain built into it! I am SOOOO excited to get my 2nd +60v PFA and [4] -12db MPD's back from Mr. Naiant, when he's all finished up with them ;D Then once I get all of that stuff back, I can get an IPA made for 2 channel's! I was thinking about getting a small external preamp for a small 2 channel rig, but like I said, for the $$ and size and SQ, I am just going to get one of these instead! If I pair this with an M10/DR-05/DR-07/etc, it would pretty much be the smallest 2 channel rig possible! mk4's/41's>NBob KCY>IPA>M10 would be a sick lil TINY rig!

Marc, hit me up if you want me to UL that for you buddy ;)
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Schoeps MK4's & MK41's ->
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DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's ->
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #113 on: February 09, 2017, 09:30:39 AM »
Does anyone know the pin assignments for the XLR output on the IPA? I want to try and make a cable myself and didn't see that information via search here. Thanks for your help.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #114 on: February 09, 2017, 04:11:11 PM »
Does anyone know the pin assignments for the XLR output on the IPA?

What do you have planned for the other end of the cable?  Just continuity-tested the XLR > Stereo Mini cable Jon made to go with my IPA.

I don't have a fully functioning setup yet, so can't test directly for + / - / ground.  But if it follows the XLR standards with which I'm familiar (and are noted in SRC's post), and I assume it does, see parenthetical references below.

1 -- Sleeve (ground)
2 -- Tip (+)
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #115 on: February 09, 2017, 04:18:43 PM »
That is exactly as I need; XLRf > 1/8 miniplug. Thanks a lot for the help!
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #116 on: February 13, 2017, 05:35:35 AM »
Does anyone know the pin assignments for the XLR output on the IPA? I want to try and make a cable myself and didn't see that information via search here. Thanks for your help.

From the product page at naiant.com:

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A stereo IPA has the left output on pin 2 and the right output on pin 3 of the XLR-3-M output connector.
(...)
A mono IPA has an impedance-balanced output with signal on pin 2 and an impedance-balancing network on pin 3.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #117 on: February 16, 2017, 09:38:47 AM »
any update on the external power cable to run the IPA off of a 5v usb battery?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #118 on: February 20, 2017, 09:18:41 PM »
Anyone else using an IPA to power Nakamichi's?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #119 on: February 21, 2017, 07:34:09 AM »
Anyone else using an IPA to power Nakamichi's?
The IPA looks to be a great solution for Nak mics

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #120 on: February 21, 2017, 11:07:53 AM »
Chopped 700s>actives>IPA nice!
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #121 on: February 21, 2017, 03:27:59 PM »
Anyone else using an IPA to power Nakamichi's?
The IPA looks to be a great solution for Nak mics

I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #122 on: February 22, 2017, 06:17:47 PM »
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #123 on: February 22, 2017, 07:39:03 PM »
I can't speak to the presence box, but with my flat stock version, very flat and neutral, just what I want. Love it.  :headphones:
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #124 on: February 22, 2017, 08:53:24 PM »
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.

That is the correct answer. Go Natural. What the hell am I thinking? I guess my mind is drifting while I wait through the IPA build period.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #125 on: March 30, 2017, 10:08:53 PM »
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.

Any update on this?

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #126 on: March 31, 2017, 09:34:26 AM »
My package has just arrived.
This one has "TB3M + minijack for stereo plug-in power" and a spindle.
Here is my setup, B3 > IPA > M10.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #127 on: March 31, 2017, 02:16:57 PM »
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.

That is the correct answer. Go Natural. What the hell am I thinking? I guess my mind is drifting while I wait through the IPA build period.

Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:
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Microphones: Milab VM-44 Links (cards), AT853 (cards) & Nakamichi CM300 (all CP-s)
Preamps: JK Laboratories DVC-X-17b, Chris Church 9200 preamp & Nakamichi MX-100 modded for 9v battery use

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #128 on: March 31, 2017, 06:24:06 PM »
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.

That is the correct answer. Go Natural. What the hell am I thinking? I guess my mind is drifting while I wait through the IPA build period.

Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:

I picked up a pair of chopped Nak 300's from waistabi.  I also ordered the IPA and some cables to run the mics.  Not sure when they will arrive or when I have a chance to run the rig.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #129 on: March 31, 2017, 09:49:04 PM »
Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:

I ordered the IPA with the following requests:

IPA:

Input: stereo TB6M (tinybox format)
Output: XLR & mini-jack (extended case)
Gain: fixed (+18dB)
Pre-emphasis: flat

Cables:

01. Y Input Cable 18" (TA3M (2) > TA6F. To run from each mic to the IPA input)
02. Y Output Cable 18" (XLRF > XLRM (2). To power the IPA via phantom power)
03. Stereo Output Cable 8" (XLRF > 1/8" mini-plug. To run IPA output into 1/8" mini-jack on m-10)

Here are cables #1 & #2:


Here is the IPA setup with cables #1 & #3:


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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #130 on: April 01, 2017, 05:38:45 AM »
Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:

I ordered the IPA with the following requests:

IPA:

Input: stereo TB6M (tinybox format)
Output: XLR & mini-jack (extended case)
Gain: fixed (+18dB)
Pre-emphasis: flat

Cables:

01. Y Input Cable 18" (TA3M (2) > TA6F. To run from each mic to the IPA input)
02. Y Output Cable 18" (XLRF > XLRM (2). To power the IPA via phantom power)
03. Stereo Output Cable 8" (XLRF > 1/8" mini-plug. To run IPA output into 1/8" mini-jack on m-10)

thanks Boa, I am getting into this and some of it difficult to understand, this will help!
Currently in use:
Recorders: Edirol R44, Sony M10 & Sony D6
Microphones: Milab VM-44 Links (cards), AT853 (cards) & Nakamichi CM300 (all CP-s)
Preamps: JK Laboratories DVC-X-17b, Chris Church 9200 preamp & Nakamichi MX-100 modded for 9v battery use

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #131 on: April 01, 2017, 02:15:29 PM »
My package has just arrived.
This one has "TB3M + minijack for stereo plug-in power" and a spindle.
Here is my setup, B3 > IPA > M10.

What is that knob on the right, picture IMG_0907-vert.jpg? Is that the spindle? Used for adding gain to the TB3M input?

And the small white is the gain variable (slot) for the minijack next to it?
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Recorders: Edirol R44, Sony M10 & Sony D6
Microphones: Milab VM-44 Links (cards), AT853 (cards) & Nakamichi CM300 (all CP-s)
Preamps: JK Laboratories DVC-X-17b, Chris Church 9200 preamp & Nakamichi MX-100 modded for 9v battery use

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #132 on: April 01, 2017, 02:22:27 PM »
Just a quick plug, my kcy IPA is my go to box when I need to get small. Mk41/4v>nbob>IPA>m10 all fits in one cargo pocket.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #133 on: April 01, 2017, 03:31:42 PM »
My package has just arrived.
This one has "TB3M + minijack for stereo plug-in power" and a spindle.
Here is my setup, B3 > IPA > M10.

What is that knob on the right, picture IMG_0907-vert.jpg? Is that the spindle? Used for adding gain to the TB3M input?

And the small white is the gain variable (slot) for the minijack next to it?

The left hole is a minijack for PIP, the white is a gain spindle, and the right hole is an external power input.
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Mics: AT U853(Cards, 4.7K mod), Countryman B3(No band, 4.7K mod)
Pres/Power: Naiant IPA, SP-SPSB-10
Decks: Sony PCM-m10

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #134 on: April 02, 2017, 02:18:11 PM »
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.

That is the correct answer. Go Natural. What the hell am I thinking? I guess my mind is drifting while I wait through the IPA build period.

Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:

I picked up a pair of chopped Nak 300's from waistabi.  I also ordered the IPA and some cables to run the mics.  Not sure when they will arrive or when I have a chance to run the rig.

Which version did you pick?
Currently in use:
Recorders: Edirol R44, Sony M10 & Sony D6
Microphones: Milab VM-44 Links (cards), AT853 (cards) & Nakamichi CM300 (all CP-s)
Preamps: JK Laboratories DVC-X-17b, Chris Church 9200 preamp & Nakamichi MX-100 modded for 9v battery use

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #135 on: April 20, 2017, 11:25:25 AM »
Don't leave your A23 in the IPA between shows, definitely has a significant draw. Luckily I saw the red light with a few minutes to showtime, had to run out to car to switch.  :facepalm:  I'd left it in for about a month between shows, it only had 2-3 hours on it, I usually do two shows on one A23.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #136 on: April 20, 2017, 11:49:02 AM »
Don't leave your A23 in the IPA between shows, definitely has a significant draw. Luckily I saw the red light with a few minutes to showtime, had to run out to car to switch.  :facepalm:  I'd left it in for about a month between shows, it only had 2-3 hours on it, I usually do two shows on one A23.

Marc, you should do a test for us to see who long those batteries will last  ;D  Last summer I ran them for 3hr shows and didn't use them past that.  Unfortunately, I can't use the batteries in anything else, or find rechargeable if there are any.

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #137 on: April 20, 2017, 12:11:58 PM »
I've only been brave enough to go to 6.5 hours or so. Should do a test.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #138 on: April 20, 2017, 05:15:52 PM »
is there a rechargeable a23 solution?
Recording:
Capsules: Schoeps mk41v, mk4v, mk22, mk3 & mk8
Cables: 2x nbob KCY, Darktrain 2 and 4 channel KCY extensions:
Preamps:    Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Naiant PFA
Recorders: Tascam Dr-70d, Sony PCM m10
Home Playback: Mytek Stereo96> Adcom SLC 505> Marantz Ma500 (x2)> Eminent Tech LFT-16; Musical Fidelity xCan v2> Hifiman HE-400
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #139 on: April 20, 2017, 10:46:31 PM »
Not that I'm aware of. 3.99 a two pack at Home Depot. I'll live with a buck a show.
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