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Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« on: April 19, 2017, 11:53:23 AM »
Just got emails from Gotham Sound and Trew Audio, wonder how the new preamps perform:

https://www.sounddevices.com/news/sound-devices-news/introducing-the-mixpre-series

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2017, 12:13:40 PM »
Damn, only $900?   I like all the different powering options.  Can't wait to hear how the new pres and a/d sound.

Thanks, Zoom!    ;)
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2017, 12:46:23 PM »
Those look awesome!  $650/$900 sounds pretty reasonable, too...

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2017, 12:51:14 PM »
Yeah, I can't see myself not buying a mixpre-3.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2017, 12:53:19 PM »
^ Me neither.  I suppose you can use a phone or tablet to record the USB stream?

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2017, 01:04:15 PM »
Yeah, I can't see myself not buying a mixpre-3.

I can see no need for myself in the 3 channel version.. unless I only want a 1 channel soundboard feed.  I was looking for a back up multi-channel recorder for festivals, I usually have to borrow one from friends.. I picked up the MixPre 6, so now I can cover 3 stages at once.  I had considered an F4 or F8, but could never fathom buying a Zoom product.  Though this isn't exactly like my 788t, i'm sure it will work wonders as a backup.

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2017, 01:27:47 PM »
Just preordered the mixpre-6 from Gotham, happy birthday to me  :D
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2017, 01:29:35 PM »
Sound Devices built a Zoom killer lol

No DC power options, but has USB inputs- I'm assuming this will run on 5v, then?

Holy crap, that's a sexy recorder. Just when I thought I was done (with purchases), they pull me back in!
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2017, 01:38:45 PM »
Will the 6 be able to do 4 xlr ins + a ⅛ inch in for 6 discrete channels?
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2017, 01:43:32 PM »
"Tracks   8 (6 channel + mix)"  so I would guess yes, 6 discreet channels

Here is a pic of the usb power cable.  Looks like it needs dual 5V usb sources > usb-c connector.  You might need to use a USB-c battery if you want to only use 1 usb battery.

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2017, 02:39:40 PM »
Want.

Glad I held off on the Zoom. Never really had a use for more than 2 channels recently, but will have a few shows this year where 4 channels (or more) will be nice.

In reality the 3 channel version would be good for me 90% of the time (2 AUD mics + 1 mono SBD feed)...but for some outdoor shows it will be nice to run 2 omni's + 2 cards (or hypers if I ever get any).

I'll probably order one of these ASAP.

Just want to figure out total cost (recorder, power, bag, extra cables, etc).
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 02:54:04 PM »
Shit! Just bought a 744.

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 02:57:18 PM »
"Tracks   8 (6 channel + mix)"  so I would guess yes, 6 discreet channels

Here is a pic of the usb power cable.  Looks like it needs dual 5V usb sources > usb-c connector.  You might need to use a USB-c battery if you want to only use 1 usb battery.
4 mono xlr/trs plus one mini stereo is how I see it so those last two are prob locked together

Yes the manual shows that you need two USB-a to power it, at least they give you the cable

What I'm wondering is the connection to a camera. The video makes it sound to me as if you can monitor/record audio coming from a camera vs the ta scam mod.es for example which you can send the camera audio
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 03:03:00 PM »
Lots of options for powering this thing.

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 03:08:05 PM »
quick dumb question..  do these actually record all tracks?... or mix-down all tracks > two tracks?
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 03:14:05 PM »
quick dumb question..  do these actually record all tracks?... or mix-down all tracks > two tracks?
damn sweet!!

The MixPre-3 is 5 in/2 out and theMixPre-6 is 8 in/4 out.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 03:16:22 PM »
^got it..  just read through it quick..  thanks! 
the iOS app might make this a magic box!!
the YS is gonna be interesting for the next few weeks i think..
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2017, 03:24:52 PM »
"Tracks   8 (6 channel + mix)"  so I would guess yes, 6 discreet channels


4 mono xlr/trs plus one mini stereo is how I see it so those last two are prob locked together

You're probably right, I was thinking more along the line of 6 independent channels.

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 03:26:44 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 03:45:18 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2017, 03:49:52 PM »
I love how small it is...interested to see what cool cases become available for it.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2017, 03:51:11 PM »
From the user guide:

The recording functionality is dependant on the current operating mode, Basic
or Advanced.

In Basic mode, the MixPre-6 functions as a two-track 48 kHz recorder. The two
record tracks are fed by the LR mix which is driven directly by the channel knob
gains.

In Advanced Mode, the MixPre-6 is configured as a eight-channel recorder with
user-selectable 44.1, 48, 96 and 192 kHz sample rate and 16 and 24bit depth.
The LR mix tracks may be recorded as well as each of the six channels as
individual isolated (ISO) tracks. Audio for the ISO tracks is recorded “prefade”
meaning before the channel knob gain, so any changes that are made there
will only affect the LR mix and have no affect on the recorded ISO track levels.
This is particularly useful for post-production audio processing where it may be
desirable to create an alternate mix of the tracks at a later stage.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2017, 04:04:10 PM »
From the user guide:


Audio for the ISO tracks is recorded “prefade”
meaning before the channel knob gain, so any changes that are made there
will only affect the LR mix and have no affect on the recorded ISO track levels.
This is particularly useful for post-production audio processing where it may be
desirable to create an alternate mix of the tracks at a later stage. [/i]

I find this a bit confusing. Does this mean that you have no control over the incoming trim level in terms of what is recorded to the track wav files?


With the F8, the trim knobs control the volume of what is recorded to the SD card for tracks 1-8. You can then change the gain for tracks post-fader to alter what is sent to the outputs or to l/r. Is the above statement saying the same thing?

In the manual they say it in a different way which leads me to believe its more like the F8

"Gain (sometimes referred to as Trim) at the preamplifier stage has historically
been a confusing subject for many users. As implemented in the MixPre-6, Gain
sets the level of the incoming signal from the outside world before the signal
gets routed to anything else in the mixer or recorder. In a traditional workflow,
it would be typical to connect the input device to a channel and set the Gain
so that the loudest parts of the audio signal just touch the red segments of the
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you to use the MixPre-6 with the confidence that even if optimal Gain levels
haven’t been set, your audio will still be handled and recorded with grace. The
extraordinarily low noise floor of the Kashmir mic preamplifiers allow recorded
tracks to be “normalized” (the process of adding level to a whole recorded track
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2017, 04:35:32 PM »
I agree, this is confusing.  The language suggests that the individual channel gain knobs only affect the L/R mix when recording in Advanced mode and are not used to set the gain of the individual tracks when recording.  So does the unit set the gain "arbitrarily" with the expectation that you will fix it in post since the pres are so quiet?
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2017, 04:39:33 PM »
I agree, this is confusing.  The language suggests that the individual channel gain knobs only affect the L/R mix when recording in Advanced mode and are not used to set the gain of the individual tracks when recording.  So does the unit set the gain "arbitrarily" with the expectation that you will fix it in post since the pres are so quiet?

That is basically the impression I got when reading it
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2017, 08:29:35 PM »
"Tracks   8 (6 channel + mix)"  so I would guess yes, 6 discreet channels


4 mono xlr/trs plus one mini stereo is how I see it so those last two are prob locked together

You're probably right, I was thinking more along the line of 6 independent channels.

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2017, 09:01:07 PM »
there are typos or it just doesn't make sense to me, like two spots where it says three channels are 48v powered

It says the same in the Mixpre 3 manual, my guess is that they did the manual for the 3 first and did a sloppy job of porting that manual over for the 6.  At least let's hope so.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2017, 09:07:07 PM »
Given all the business we Tapers have sent SD's way over the years, is there no rep who posts here? I know we ran the tascam guy off...

I too read the guide to suggest that the big 4 knobs only affect the stereo mix. Hopefully one can set which gain stage they control in the menu.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2017, 11:28:28 PM »
If the gain control really works as described in the manual, that would be a deal-breaker for me.  I don't care how spectacular the preamps are; I still want to be able to control gain on my tracks, and crank the hell out of them if needed.  That's one of the things you're paying for with high-quality pres, right??  I'd have that capability with digital mics running into AES inputs, and the noise levels are way, way low there.  The "never mind about gain, just normalize in post" attitude is very surprising coming from SD.

How low must SD be setting the (presumably) fixed input gain to be sure that it's never going to clip?  Or are the limiters always active?  Analog limiters are great, but for music recording I will still avoid them unless absolutely necessary because you can hear them working in some situations.

The whole input approach seems very contrary to the normal workflow most people have learned.  You should be able to set gain for your ISO tracks, and then go into your L/R mixdown and use the knobs as channel faders (not gain controls) for your mixdown.  That's pretty standard in pro field recorders, I believe.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2017, 03:19:57 AM »
Near the bottom of page 2 of the discussion linked below the gain feature is mentioned.  Perhaps gain adjustment is possible in "Advanced" mode and not in "Basic"?

http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/29601-new-sd-gear/

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2017, 04:27:17 AM »
 :o I think I can get $650 for my whole rig. :o
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2017, 07:35:21 AM »
Disappointing but not surprising considering the market / competition of the day.  Maybe this is why the Marantz PMD-706 never surfaced...

I hope that SD follows up with another announcement for a full featured SD744 replacement with 4 pres.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2017, 07:48:30 AM »
Shit! Just bought a 744.

I think that is a good thing!

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2017, 09:30:41 AM »
Here's a quote from the User Guide "Advanced Mode" section:

"Channel > Gain > Sets the sensitivity of the input. Generally, the Gain should be set so that the loudest parts of the audio signal just touch the red segments of the meters."

So I think there is individual gain control of each recording channel.

The default mode seems to be for videographers.

Further: There is Custom Mode to set up one-button access to the channel gain controls.

And there are 4 User Presets which could be very useful.

My question is: how do you fast forward and rewind?
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2017, 09:55:04 AM »
It will be interesting to get more details as the I've read all the material carefully and my conclusion is that you can't set the volume of each recorded track, only for the tracks going into the mix. This is really a mixer, not a recorder per se. The emphasis is on mixing ability. If you control the volume of the track recordings via the knobs, how do you control the volume of tracks post fader? There is nothing in the manual that show an interface for doing this - the inference is that the knobs control this.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2017, 10:32:00 AM »
^I'm probably wrong..  but I think that these are more intended as computer interfaces.  And as stated, as a "back-up" recorder of the mix-down.
But I do think that it could be very useful as a two-channel recorder with access via iOS app.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2017, 11:20:29 AM »
I don't believe for a second that you can't control the gain.  Especially since they say, "Our mic preamps simply have to be heard to be believed, whether mic’ing drums, birds, or dialog, using condenser, dynamic, or ribbon mics, the finest textures of the audio are preserved."  What fixed gain level would possibly be flexible enough to deal with all of these different situations? 

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2017, 11:31:25 AM »
Can find no mention of the SD card slot, where is it and what about capacity?
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2017, 11:35:51 AM »
From the "Specs" page:

"Recording Storage
Type: SD, SDXC, SDHC Card
Max Storage Size: 512 GB (SDXC)
Card format: FAT32 (32GB or less) or exFAT (>32GB)"
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
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« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2017, 12:39:19 PM »
Yeah, I can't see myself not buying a mixpre-3.

I can't wait to hear how it makes those ck63's sound!  If its like we expect, I'll be right behind you.
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« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2017, 01:28:05 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2017, 03:36:14 PM »
This came from another forum:

http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/29601-new-sd-gear/&page=3

"In advanced mode, the MixPre-3 and -6 will operate like a mixer that most readers here are used to: The input's knob will be the fader and control the post-trim level to the LR mix. The input's trim (Accessible via the Input Settings screen when the input's knob is pressed) will control the level into the ISO track and then into the fader."
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2017, 04:32:48 PM »
This came from another forum:

http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/29601-new-sd-gear/&page=3

"In advanced mode, the MixPre-3 and -6 will operate like a mixer that most readers here are used to: The input's knob will be the fader and control the post-trim level to the LR mix. The input's trim (Accessible via the Input Settings screen when the input's knob is pressed) will control the level into the ISO track and then into the fader."

Good thread. It answers several of my questions. So you can set the trim gain at least in some fashion
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2017, 11:28:03 PM »
This came from another forum:

http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/29601-new-sd-gear/&page=3

"In advanced mode, the MixPre-3 and -6 will operate like a mixer that most readers here are used to: The input's knob will be the fader and control the post-trim level to the LR mix. The input's trim (Accessible via the Input Settings screen when the input's knob is pressed) will control the level into the ISO track and then into the fader."

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2017, 12:36:39 AM »
And further on in the JWS thread:


"Folks - you can use channel knobs to adjust your ISO levels. To do this, you would select Custom mode and set Record to Advanced and leave Channel set to Basic. When Channel is set to Basic, ISO levels are post channel knob and when Record is set to Advanced, ISOs can be armed."

Looks quite nice if you want 6 tracks and 4 pres.  I expect the sound quality and construction will be up to the usual SD standard.  Nice that there is some competition among manufacturers in this little recording niche.  Zoom and SD have upped the ante.  Who's next?
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2017, 05:51:39 AM »
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2017, 07:59:46 AM »

Just to confirm folks, MixPre-3 and 6 do have both trim gains for ISO levels and fader gains for stereo mixing.
Sorry about delay in response - just saw the thread on this forum.

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2017, 09:14:07 AM »
What's the best way to input into a Canon 5D MarkIV to record on the camera's card with audio?
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2017, 09:23:34 AM »
What's the best way to input into a Canon 5D MarkIV to record on the camera's card with audio?
i don't think you can unless you used the headphones out
That's the huge plus of the ta scam 60d, it has a dedicated camera out that you can adjust too

There is a dedicated stereo out on the left side.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2017, 09:48:00 AM »
And further on in the JWS thread:


"Folks - you can use channel knobs to adjust your ISO levels. To do this, you would select Custom mode and set Record to Advanced and leave Channel set to Basic. When Channel is set to Basic, ISO levels are post channel knob and when Record is set to Advanced, ISOs can be armed."

Looks quite nice if you want 6 tracks and 4 pres.  I expect the sound quality and construction will be up to the usual SD standard.  Nice that there is some competition among manufacturers in this little recording niche.  Zoom and SD have upped the ante.  Who's next?

SD support also answered the question about gain for th ISO tracks and confirmed you can set gain.


"To access the gain, it will require you to be in either Advance Mode or Custom Mode (Custom with Advance Channel on) and you'll be able to access the gain by itself. To access the gain, pressing the channel knob down will put the user in the Input Channel Settings (much like how toggling the 6-Series PFL toggle). There, you'll be able to adjust the gain and the knob will become the fader."

I ws impressed with how quickly they responded to my question.
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2017, 12:21:29 PM »

Just to confirm folks, MixPre-3 and 6 do have both trim gains for ISO levels and fader gains for stereo mixing.
Sorry about delay in response - just saw the thread on this forum.

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2017, 12:53:41 PM »
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Thanks for dropping in and confirming this.  I greatly appreciate that you and SD have taken the time to help us out.

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« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2017, 03:01:20 PM »
SD is the best.  I just about loved my 702 to death, still my favorite recorder of all time.  If I were still taping I would be all over the MixPre-6...

Is there any point keeping the 702 in view of this new release? ???

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« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2017, 04:24:23 PM »
Is there any point keeping the 702 in view of this new release? ???

Can't beat those blinding LED level lights on the 7-series.  8)

Aside from features and audio quality, one thing I am particularly curious (for someone who definitely will not be getting one) about is what the battery life is with AA batteries and what type of lithium batteries it can use.  It doesn't look like it can use the Sony camcorder lithium batteries like the 7-series, which gave it a lot of operating time. 

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« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2017, 04:28:58 PM »
It can use the sony batteries!!  There is an optional sled to hold 2 of the sony batteries and they can be hot swapped.  Here is a link

https://www.gothamsound.com/product/mixpre-l-series-battery-sled

Is there any point keeping the 702 in view of this new release? ???

Can't beat those blinding LED level lights on the 7-series.  8)

Aside from features and audio quality, one thing I am particularly curious (for someone who definitely will not be getting one) about is what the battery life is with AA batteries and what type of lithium batteries it can use.  It doesn't look like it can use the Sony camcorder lithium batteries like the 7-series, which gave it a lot of operating time.
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« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2017, 04:31:58 PM »
It can use the sony batteries!!  There is an optional sled to hold 2 of the sony batteries and they can be hot swapped.

That's crazy!!!  Those L batteries were pretty big, and two at the same time would be incredible.  And hot swappable too... just, wow.  And AA for emergencies.  Incredible. 

Too bad the inputs are on opposite sides but that couldn't be helped I guess with that form factor.

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There is also an optional sled that can hold 8 AA batteries vs. the 4 AA that comes with it.   
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« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2017, 09:10:19 PM »
would really like all of this but with 8 xlr/trs inputs. 

tempted for the mixpre6 but don't want to jump the gun if they have an 8 coming...
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« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2017, 09:39:07 PM »
Maybe I missed something, but the Mixpre-6 only shows a two channel display. How do you monitor the other two channels if you're all four inputs?

Or is that something you would have to do on your phone through the bluetooth?

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« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2017, 10:07:30 PM »
I have a 702 which I love.  I would like to hear how the new mp6 compares.  Do the new Machines have the same solid build quality?  What features does my 702 have that are not included in the new recorders?   Is there any reason why a 702 might make a better recording than the new units?  Why are the new units so inexpensive compared to what I paid for my 702?  Thanks.
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https://www.sounddevices.com/products/recorders/mixpre-6

Maybe I missed something, but the Mixpre-6 only shows a two channel display. How do you monitor the other two channels if you're all four inputs?

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« Reply #63 on: April 21, 2017, 11:16:24 PM »
would really like all of this but with 8 xlr/trs inputs. 

tempted for the mixpre6 but don't want to jump the gun if they have an 8 coming...

Same here, but if that's coming at all, I bet it will be a full-on replacement for the 788 and priced accordingly.

Honestly when I saw the $250 price difference between the MixPre-3 and the -6, I figured the -6 must have 6 combo inputs / pres.  I was very disappointed when I saw it only has ONE more, and the only other added functionality seems to be enabling options in software, unless the 3 and the 6 really do use different chips and typologies.  In other words, are these recorders sort of like the AETA 4Minx in the sense that the different versions have the same core hardware and software, and you pay more for the added hardware pieces and to enable the software to use them?  Maybe Paul can shed some light on this.

With the MixPre-6 at $899, I feel like it has to be compared directly to the Zoom F8 which is only $100 more.  The Zoom is a better value from a features standpoint (8 preamps, more recording channels, dual-media recording, full TC function) but the MixPre-6 wins on design, powering, and (probably) overall quality, certainly in pedigree and in customer service.  The analog limiters are also a huge if your work needs limiters.  Which way will customers in this price range go?  Even if SD wins handily in absolute sound quality (and we'll have to wait for the tests on that), is the target customer of the MixPre series (podcasters and DSLR filmmakers) going to even notice or appreciate that quality difference?  I feel if SD could have squeezed in two more combo jacks and preamps, it would be much more attractive, even if they had to raise the price to $1000.
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I have a 702 which I love.  I would like to hear how the new mp6 compares.  Do the new Machines have the same solid build quality?  What features does my 702 have that are not included in the new recorders?   Is there any reason why a 702 might make a better recording than the new units?  Why are the new units so inexpensive compared to what I paid for my 702?  Thanks.

Look at a photo of your 702 & the new mix-pre machines side by side and I think that you will have your answer.  The new Mix-pre's are a "cheaper SD unit" to compete with the sub $1,000.00 Zooms...  They are NOT in the same league as the SD 700 series recorders in my opinion...  You get what you pay for in most cases.

I really would like to see a 744 replacement from SD with 4 mic pre's... that is not part of the budget series. 

Paul can you please prevent me from spending money on an outdated SD recorder if there are new, SD recorders on the horizon, to update the 722 - 744 - 788 machines?

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would really like all of this but with 8 xlr/trs inputs. 

tempted for the mixpre6 but don't want to jump the gun if they have an 8 coming...

Honestly when I saw the $250 price difference between the MixPre-3 and the -6, I figured the -6 must have 6 combo inputs / pres.  I was very disappointed when I saw it only has ONE more, and the only other added functionality seems to be enabling options in software, unless the 3 and the 6 really do use different chips and typologies.  In other words, are these recorders sort of like the AETA 4Minx in the sense that the different versions have the same core hardware and software, and you pay more for the added hardware pieces and to enable the software to use them? Maybe Paul can shed some light on this.

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These recorders are nothing like the AETA 4MinX in terms of hardware...  And I know that is not what you are referring to.  The AETA pricing scheme, meh...   :shrug:  Works for me, that is why I purchased that machine.  4 world class AETA pre's with a recorder / mixer with a multitude of features for less than the price of a new SD744.  And I love the SD line of audio gear.  I've had a SD722 for 10+ years, never getting rid of it.  Rock solid, world class gear.  I have a SD788-SSD, again rock solid, world class audio gear made next door in Wisconsin.   ;)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I liked the AETA pricing scheme that allowed me to purchase 8 channels, 4 independent, 48V phantom AETA pre's for less than the cost of a new SD744T.  Variety is the spice of life!



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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #66 on: Yesterday at 12:01:30 PM »
What's the best way to input into a Canon 5D MarkIV to record on the camera's card with audio?
i don't think you can unless you used the headphones out
That's the huge plus of the ta scam 60d, it has a dedicated camera out that you can adjust too

There is a dedicated stereo out on the left side.
you can almost guarantee that it's not adjustable though and so it will overload most cameras/camcorders.
Depends on the quality input or if you had an attenuater. I have had good results using one but it's so much easier with an adjustable out
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« Reply #67 on: Yesterday at 12:18:01 PM »
i may pull on a mixpre 3 . a already have a 744t and a few really good preamps for different situations . i really like my audioroot upre mk11>744 aes in . These new decks are not in the same ballpark. no aes or spdif like the 744 . i have the same routing as these new decks . the mixpre 3 looks small enough for  those times when i want to go small rig or stealth. i have a tintbox and m10 already but this may be a good piece to add to the arsenal.but i'll probably hold off until i here some reviews ( battery life & the new pre's etc etc.)
i wish sd would have updated the 744 ( touch screen and usb3 or thunder bolt.and Maybe with the new pres . if they are that good.

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« Reply #68 on: Yesterday at 12:22:15 PM »
Maybe I missed something, but the Mixpre-6 only shows a two channel display. How do you monitor the other two channels if you're all four inputs?


Touching the meter area switches between stereo meter view and multi-channels views. There are 3 different views.

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« Reply #69 on: Yesterday at 12:44:26 PM »
I have a 702 which I love.  I would like to hear how the new mp6 compares.  Do the new Machines have the same solid build quality?  What features does my 702 have that are not included in the new recorders?   Is there any reason why a 702 might make a better recording than the new units?  Why are the new units so inexpensive compared to what I paid for my 702?  Thanks.

Wow lots of questions! Sorry haven't got to this sooner, but at NAB in Las Vegas!
There is no compromise on build quality. Chassis is die cast aluminum - very solid.
The Kashmir mic preamps are a totally new design and comparable in quality to 7-series. We do plan on getting some demo files online soon so you can listen.
There are many reasons why there is a cost difference between the 702 and MixPre: the 702 is over 10-year old technology. Progress in component performance and DSP/FPGA, efficiencies in manufacturing and design, different code architecture, use of different materials and components, different I/O, different feature sets and more.

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« Reply #70 on: Yesterday at 12:51:04 PM »
The MixPre-6 with its 4x XLR/TRS mic/line inputs and 2 additional unbalanced aux inputs on 1/8" make this a 6 input device. You can record those six inputs as ISOs, hence the '6' in MixPre-6. You can record the mix of those for a total of 8 track 192 kHz / 24-bit recording.
This would make a great alternative to the 744 for those wanting 4 high quality mic preamps.

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« Reply #71 on: Yesterday at 12:57:38 PM »

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you can almost guarantee that it's not adjustable though and so it will overload most cameras/camcorders.

You can adjust the level of the stereo output so you can prevent overload of cameras. We've included this specifically to make it compatible with a wide range of cameras, DSLRs, and other down stream devices.

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #72 on: Yesterday at 01:07:02 PM »
Paul, is there a front panel lock option on the MixPre-3/6, similar to the 'backlight key/tone key' menu on the 7xx series?

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« Reply #73 on: Yesterday at 02:35:12 PM »
looks like you can link channels 1&2 for mid side recording on the mixpre 3 . probably can as well for the 6

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« Reply #74 on: Yesterday at 03:22:07 PM »
https://www.sounddevices.com/products/recorders/mixpre-6

Maybe I missed something, but the Mixpre-6 only shows a two channel display. How do you monitor the other two channels if you're all four inputs?

Or is that something you would have to do on your phone through the bluetooth?


 :facepalm: Thanks!

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« Reply #75 on: Yesterday at 03:27:11 PM »
looks like you can adjust the lcd brightness but there is nothing in the guide about it. Question! can the screen be turned off as well as the buttons. this would save power and be useful
for other times.

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« Reply #76 on: Yesterday at 03:49:29 PM »
Paul, is there a front panel lock option on the MixPre-3/6, similar to the 'backlight key/tone key' menu on the 7xx series?

Yeah, this is pretty important.
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« Reply #77 on: Yesterday at 05:28:09 PM »
Can gain be linked for channels 1,2 and 3,4?
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« Reply #78 on: Yesterday at 05:52:52 PM »
Correct, is there a stealth mode like on the 7 series?

looks like you can adjust the lcd brightness but there is nothing in the guide about it. Question! can the screen be turned off as well as the buttons. this would save power and be useful
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« Reply #79 on: Yesterday at 06:12:37 PM »
Can gain be linked for channels 1,2 and 3,4?
on the mixpre6 you can link 1through 6 .

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« Reply #80 on: Yesterday at 06:35:20 PM »
I just finished carefully reading the user guide for the Mixpre-6 and there is no mention of any kind of "hold" feature. But I think SD can easily add that feature with firmware. One opportunity I saw could be with the "*" button on the front panel. First part of UG identifies that button for user defined shortcuts, but offers no detailed info beyond that one mention. I'd be fine with having to push the "*" button before any of the transport or touch screen controls will work. Like a gun safety in a way. Just a thought.....
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« Reply #81 on: Yesterday at 06:46:32 PM »
Paul, based on your answer about the MP-6 above in terms of number of ISO tracks, I assume the MP-3 can only record 3 ISO tracks. Does it's mixing functionality allow ISOs of inputs 1 through 3 while sending (only) the 3.5mm input to the L/R mix?

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« Reply #82 on: Yesterday at 07:47:48 PM »
Paul, any plans for a mixpre 8?
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« Reply #83 on: Yesterday at 11:21:51 PM »

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You can adjust the level of the stereo output so you can prevent overload of cameras. We've included this specifically to make it compatible with a wide range of cameras, DSLRs, and other down stream devices.
sweeeeeeet
Thanks for joining and posting all this info too

Personally, can't wait to hear a mixpre/tascam comp
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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #84 on: Today at 04:35:49 AM »
Are the any functions / settings etc. (e.g. in the "Advanced Mode") which are exclusively available via the SD "Wingman" app? Or can all essential features of these mixpre-3/6 devices be reached via physical buttons/switches/pods? Any plans to port the Wingman app to other mobiles operating systems (e.g. Android)?

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Re: Sound Devices New MixPre Series
« Reply #85 on: Today at 08:42:33 AM »
On Page 27 of the revised manual, it states:

"The MixPre-6 can record up to eight audio tracks at 96kHz, 24-bit"

Is this a typo? I thought it does eight audio tracks at 192kHz, 24-bit.

Also, can you link two or more mixpre-6's for 12 tracks or more?

Given the camera screws, could you then stack two of these (synced) for an 8 xlr input machine?
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