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24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« on: January 24, 2005, 06:15:33 AM »
I finally have the 24/48 vs. 24/96 DVDs ready for comparison. Maynard is on top of the list for the discs, I got some other PM for them, but I wanted to get these into an orderly list, so if you want to listen for yourself, then put your name on this thread.

Kind of as a recap, these are discs that were created using the following:

Earthworks QTC-1 on stage, clamped to the micrphone stands of the performers. (had 1 mSec delay on the input to sync correctly with the mics at stage lip)
Earthworks SR-77 at stage lip.

These were then put straight into the Zaxcom Deva IV either at 24/48 or 24/96.

The band is called Cooper's Uncle and they are a local (Austin, TX) bluegrass outfit. These shows were both done the same way, at the same venue, but 1 week apart.

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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2005, 08:18:24 AM »
I'd like to check out this comparison for sure.  thanks Wayne.

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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2005, 09:18:50 AM »
would definitely like to hear these as well!

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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2005, 03:39:46 PM »
I would like to hear these also....thanx for starting the tree!
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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2005, 08:16:09 PM »
When we first talked about this we mentioned a vine.  So if someone wants these, please post that you do or don't have the ability to make copies for people.  I'll take a couple people for B&P and pass along the master copy to someone who can also take a couple B&P as they pass through their hands if thats cool.  mmmm-kay kids?


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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2005, 08:47:12 PM »
When we first talked about this we mentioned a vine.  So if someone wants these, please post that you do or don't have the ability to make copies for people.  I'll take a couple people for B&P and pass along the master copy to someone who can also take a couple B&P as they pass through their hands if thats cool.  mmmm-kay kids?


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Sounds good to me.  I can handle a few folks as well for copies.   ;D
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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2005, 09:33:58 PM »

When we first talked about this we mentioned a vine.  So if someone wants these, please post that you do or don't have the ability to make copies for people.  I'll take a couple people for B&P and pass along the master copy to someone who can also take a couple B&P as they pass through their hands if thats cool.  mmmm-kay kids?

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well, I have a DVD-burner, and I've burned plenty of DVD-audio discs with discwelder bronze, but, are these discs starting out as DVD-A's?  what software do you use to copy those files back to .wav?  or is that even a necessary step when copying DVD-A to DVD-A?  if it's real simple, then I could burn for other folks, otherwise, at this point, it would be great if someone burned it for me...

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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2005, 09:41:47 PM »

well, I have a DVD-burner, and I've burned plenty of DVD-audio discs with discwelder bronze, but, are these discs starting out as DVD-A's?  what software do you use to copy those files back to .wav?  or is that even a necessary step when copying DVD-A to DVD-A?  if it's real simple, then I could burn for other folks, otherwise, at this point, it would be great if someone burned it for me...

These are starting out life as DVD-A discs. I use a Mac, so I'm not sure how you do it on a PC, but I simply make a disc Image of the disc (since there is no copy protection on it) with Apple's Disc Utility. It's far easier to do that than burn multiple copies via DiscWelder.

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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2005, 09:42:39 PM »
well, I have a DVD-burner, and I've burned plenty of DVD-audio discs with discwelder bronze, but, are these discs starting out as DVD-A's?  what software do you use to copy those files back to .wav?  or is that even a necessary step when copying DVD-A to DVD-A?  if it's real simple, then I could burn for other folks, otherwise, at this point, it would be great if someone burned it for me...

For a PC, download DVD-decryptor, it will allow you to extract the DVDA content as a disk image onto HD and then write out the image to blank media.  No authoring or wav extraction required.  Just like EAC for CDRs.


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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2005, 07:55:20 AM »
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For a PC, download DVD-decryptor, it will allow you to extract the DVDA content as a disk image onto HD and then write out the image to blank media.  No authoring or wav extraction required.  Just like EAC for CDRs.

ok, I've already got DVD-decryptor, so I guess I'm all set, and I can burn for others, if needed.  I haven't had to copy of DVDA yet, because I keep all the 24-bit FLAC's archived anyway.  just didn't realize it copies DVD-A's as well :)

this is probably a question for another discussion, but I'm just wondering, is there some loss involved with this.  sort of like if EAC isn't configured properly?  is it better to burn from original .wav (decompressed from a FLAC)?  or does it not matter?

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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2005, 09:58:31 AM »
These are starting out life as DVD-A discs. I use a Mac, so I'm not sure how you do it on a PC, but I simply make a disc Image of the disc (since there is no copy protection on it) with Apple's Disc Utility. It's far easier to do that than burn multiple copies via DiscWelder.

I've changed my mind. These are no longer going to be DVD-A discs. After a bout of emails with Minnetonka software, I've come to the conclusion that DiscWelder for Mac OS X is simply not ready for prime time. I'm having a huge problem getting one of my DVR drives to be recognized, and I can't get more than 1 out of 10 burns of any brand of DVD media to work. So, I'm going back to the basics and I'm going to burn these as Video DVD discs with just the audio track.

FYI, The folks at Minnetonka have been really nice, but they are totally clueless on certain things. A big chunk of their software is based on some licensed code from Gear, this is the part I think they are having problems with because they have sent my issue to gear to be resolved and told me that they have seen similar issues in their testing. Why they don't simply hand certain things off to Apple's API's (other than trying to keep the code-base between the PC and Mac similar) is beyond me.

If this is going to cause problems, let me know! I'm shipping the discs off tomorrow (I was trying to get two good discs all night last night without any luck).

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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2005, 10:25:10 AM »
I am ordering a dvd rw from newegg, but waiting on my next paycheck, So I have no burning capabilities as of yet.  If someone would do a BnP, I would gladly send the disc that way, OR, you can put me at the end of the vine, and hopefully I will have my burner by then.(damn i hate being poor!!  :P)
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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2005, 10:38:43 AM »
I am ordering a dvd rw from newegg, but waiting on my next paycheck, So I have no burning capabilities as of yet.  If someone would do a BnP, I would gladly send the disc that way, OR, you can put me at the end of the vine, and hopefully I will have my burner by then.(damn i hate being poor!!  :P)

No sweat. Drop me a PM and I'll send you a set of discs gratis.

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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2005, 10:48:09 AM »

So, I'm going back to the basics and I'm going to burn these as Video DVD discs with just the audio track.



Wayne

Wayne... is it simple to get the audio files off of a video dvd disc?  What I would like to do is just import the files into my daw and bring them both into the console so I can have them playing simultaneously and just a/b with mutes.  thanks.

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Re: 24/48 vs. 24/96 Tree
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2005, 11:24:30 AM »
ok, I've already got DVD-decryptor, so I guess I'm all set, and I can burn for others, if needed.  I haven't had to copy of DVDA yet, because I keep all the 24-bit FLAC's archived anyway.  just didn't realize it copies DVD-A's as well :)

this is probably a question for another discussion, but I'm just wondering, is there some loss involved with this.  sort of like if EAC isn't configured properly?  is it better to burn from original .wav (decompressed from a FLAC)?  or does it not matter?

When extracting the image, there is no interpretation of the underlying data structures. so DVDA/DVDV/DVD data, it does not matter.  Also, there is no loss.  DVD-decryptor can extract the ISO image, which is just the data format image of the authored DVD. 






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