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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #75 on: December 28, 2006, 03:32:49 PM »
seems like this will end up in a war of sorts with corporate battle lines being drawn...

Blu-ray Support

Blu-ray is supported on the hardware side by Hitachi, LG, Matsushita (Panasonic), Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, HP, Dell, Apple, TDK, and Thomson (Note: Thomson also supports HD-DVD). On the software side, Blu-ray is supported by Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney Studios, MGM, Paramount (also supports HD-DVD) and Warner (also supports HD-DVD). Apple Computer has also announced support for Blu-ray.

HD-DVD Support

HD-DVD is supported on the hardware side by Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Thomson (Note: Thomson also supports Blu-ray). On the software side, HD-DVD is supported by New Line Cinema, Paramount Pictures (also supports Blu-ray), Paramount (also supports Blu-ray), and Universal Pictures. Microsoft has also added its support to HD-DVD.

Seems like from the hardware side, Blu-Ray would be victorious based on the companies supporting the format.  But the software side seems like Microsoft (HD-DVD) vs. Apple (Blu-Ray)  [what a shock]
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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2006, 03:57:38 PM »
samsung and (i think) LG have been talking about releasing a dual format player that could write and read both formats.

Its pretty much just a matter of time.


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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2007, 01:49:33 PM »
also, down the line, it looks like a new disc that will play in either blu-ray plays or HD-DVD players...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/04/technology/04video.html

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New Disc May Sway DVD Wars

Consumers wary of buying new high-definition DVD players because of a technology war reminiscent of the days of Betamax versus VHS will soon have a new kind of DVD that might make the decision less daunting.

Warner Brothers, which helped popularize the DVD more than a decade ago, plans to announce next week a single videodisc that can play films and television programs in both Blu-ray and HD-DVD, the rival DVD technologies.

Warner Brothers, a division of Time Warner, plans to formally announce the new disc, which it is calling a Total HD disc, at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Tuesday.

Two rival camps introduced high-definition DVD players last year: a consortium called Blu-ray, backed by Sony and others, and a group called HD-DVD, backed by Toshiba and Microsoft. Retail and media executives say this clash of corporate titans and their incompatible machines has left some consumers bewildered and has slowed the introduction of what is intended to be the next great thing in home entertainment.

Executives at Time Warner and its Hollywood subsidiary hope to spur sales of new DVD players and movies by gaining the support of retailers and cajoling rival studios into making their film and television libraries available in both formats on a single disc.

In addition to reviving the ghost of the war that marked the introduction of videocassettes in the 1980s, the high-definition battle has been exacerbated by the decision of several major studios to support only one of the technologies.

Thus, for instance, a copy of 20th Century Fox’s “Ice Age: The Meltdown” is available only on Blu-ray, while Universal’s “The Break-Up” can be viewed only on a disc and player built with HD-DVD technology.

Barry M. Meyer, the chairman and chief executive of Warner Brothers, said in an interview that the company came up with the Total HD disc after concluding that neither Blu-ray nor HD-DVD was going the way of Betamax anytime soon.

“The next best thing is to recognize that there will be two formats and to make that not a negative for the consumer,” Mr. Meyer said. “We felt that the most significant constituency for us to satisfy was the consumer first, and the retailer second. The retailer wants to sell hardware and doesn’t want to be forced into stocking two formats for everything. This is ideal for them.”

In a world besotted with gadgetry, few consumer products have generated as much excitement — and head-scratching — as high-definition television. Flat-screen, high-definition TVs have been flying off the shelves for the last year and are now as common in homes as coffee pots. Yet few people are actually watching superclear high-definition programming.

Part of the disconnect is the lack of high-definition programming on cable and satellite television, and the additional outlay for decoder boxes and premium channels needed to get it. The rival movie player technologies have further blurred the outlook for high definition. Richard Greenfield, an analyst at Pali Capital, predicted in a recent report that this would be the first year since the introduction of the DVD that consumer spending on the discs would decline, putting pressure on the studios that rely heavily on them for profits.

For now, Sony; Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, which is owned by private equity firms in partnership with the Comcast Corporation and Sony; 20th Century Fox, a division of the News Corporation; and Walt Disney Pictures are all exclusively releasing their DVDs in Blu-ray.

Universal Studios, which is owned by General Electric, is releasing only in HD-DVD. Warner and Paramount Pictures, a division of Viacom, are issuing DVDs in both formats.

Behind these allegiances are complex strategic questions revolving around everything from manufacturing costs to profit margins, debates over each format’s technical strengths and weaknesses, and how these players relate to Microsoft and Sony’s video-game strategies.

(Blu-ray players are built into the new Sony PlayStation 3, while Microsoft is selling HD-DVD drives that attach to its Xbox 360.)

Another wrinkle is plans by LG Electronics, and possibly other gadget makers attending the Las Vegas conference, to announce new DVD players with drives for both formats; however, such players will most likely be initially more expensive than other players.

Jeffrey L. Bewkes, the president of Time Warner, said the Total HD disc has a better chance of catching on than dual players. Research commissioned by Warner indicates that consumers are willing to pay several dollars more than current high-definition DVDs for a disc that works on both players. At the Web site for Best Buy, Warner’s “Superman Returns” DVD was selling yesterday for $19.99 in its standard format, $29.99 for Blu-ray and $34.99 for HD-DVD.

Still, it is not clear whether news of Warner’s Total HD disc would convince the studio heads who are backing one format or the other to release their wares in both. Sony, of course, has placed a big bet on Blu-ray’s success and does not want to relive the sting of Betamax’s defeat. The number of studios committed solely to Blu-ray has been seen as a competitive edge, particularly because HD-DVD came to market several months ahead of Blu-ray.

And HD-DVD’s boosters say they doubt gaming fans who have been snapping up the just-introduced PlayStation 3 will take advantage of its built-in Blu-ray player and buy movies as well as video games.

In recent interviews, executives at Fox and Disney were unequivocal in their support for Blu-ray. They said they believed that releasing DVDs in both formats would only prolong confusion and the emergence of a winning format. “I think the fastest way to end the format war is through decisiveness and strength,” said Bob Chapek, the president of Buena Vista Worldwide Entertainment, the home video arm of Walt Disney.

Like other Blu-ray proponents and partners, Mr. Chapek said that he favors Blu-ray because of its greater storage capacity and other attributes. HD-DVD offers the same vivid picture by storing less information on its disc, which means fewer minutes of video and other features. However, among its perceived advantages, HD-DVD players are less expensive.

Because of manufacturing complexities, the Total HD disc will not contain a standard format version, said Kevin Tsujihara, the president of Warner Brothers Home Entertainment Group. However, several months ago the company filed patents for a new disc incorporating all three formats, which it could produce in the future.

Mr. Tsujihara described the new disc as an elegant way for studios to make their content available more widely “in a way that is not conceding defeat” for the format they have been backing.

In the short term, Total HD would actually add to the number of formats retailers will have to stock, raising it from three to four. However, Irynne V. MacKay, senior vice president for entertainment products at Circuit City, said she supported the idea because it took pressure off consumers puzzling over which format to invest in. “The simpler the future is for us, the better,” said Ms. MacKay.

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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #79 on: January 14, 2007, 08:44:49 AM »
I have a HD-DVD and bluray drive via my 360 and ps3...so far bluray needs to seriously get their act together in the video quality department. I have watched about 10 bluray movies and 10 HD-DVD movies and so far I am finding the video quality of bluray to be very inconsistant with parts of movies that look fantastic followed by parts that are so filled with grain and artifacts its distracting. HD-DVD has a much more vibrant and consistant picture. Many have said that its because bluray is using older video codex's...but even on the newer VC-1 encoded blurays the picture quality is inferior to HD-DVD....what good is more storage space if the video sucks?
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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2007, 09:45:05 AM »
I have a HD-DVD and bluray drive via my 360 and ps3...so far bluray needs to seriously get their act together in the video quality department. I have watched about 10 bluray movies and 10 HD-DVD movies and so far I am finding the video quality of bluray to be very inconsistant with parts of movies that look fantastic followed by parts that are so filled with grain and artifacts its distracting. HD-DVD has a much more vibrant and consistant picture. Many have said that its because bluray is using older video codex's...but even on the newer VC-1 encoded blurays the picture quality is inferior to HD-DVD....what good is more storage space if the video sucks?

well, i haven't seen either a BD or HD-DVD movie (outside of a store demo) yet, but i would say that your results based on the PS3 may not be completely indicative of the technology.  the video components in the PS3 are not going to be of the same level as a dedicated player.  It's just too high-ticket of an item to cram into a gaming console and expect the performance to rival dedicated decks.  additionally, a guy in the sony store told me there have been problems with the BD drives built into the PS3's.  I'm not sure what he's referring to, but watching a BD movie in a PS3 just doesn't seem to me to get the most out of the format.  my 2 cents.

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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #81 on: January 14, 2007, 09:52:36 AM »
I have a HD-DVD and bluray drive via my 360 and ps3...so far bluray needs to seriously get their act together in the video quality department. I have watched about 10 bluray movies and 10 HD-DVD movies and so far I am finding the video quality of bluray to be very inconsistant with parts of movies that look fantastic followed by parts that are so filled with grain and artifacts its distracting. HD-DVD has a much more vibrant and consistant picture. Many have said that its because bluray is using older video codex's...but even on the newer VC-1 encoded blurays the picture quality is inferior to HD-DVD....what good is more storage space if the video sucks?

well, i haven't seen either a BD or HD-DVD movie (outside of a store demo) yet, but i would say that your results based on the PS3 may not be completely indicative of the technology.  the video components in the PS3 are not going to be of the same level as a dedicated player.  It's just too high-ticket of an item to cram into a gaming console and expect the performance to rival dedicated decks.  additionally, a guy in the sony store told me there have been problems with the BD drives built into the PS3's.  I'm not sure what he's referring to, but watching a BD movie in a PS3 just doesn't seem to me to get the most out of the format.  my 2 cents.

I don't think the problem is the PS3.  It's been getting great reviews as a BluRay player. 

My guess is that the problem is with the movies themselves.  A lot of the movies out there now are created from poor sources resulting in a lot of grain on the HD discs.  Superman Returns is noted as looking better on DVD than it does on HD-DVD or BluRay.  Batman Begins also has some issues with the black levels, resulting in a lot of macroblocking.

Also HD-DVDs are using Microsoft's VC1 codec by default.  BluRay discs can use VC1, but most are using higher resolution mpeg2.
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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #82 on: January 14, 2007, 10:30:52 AM »
Correct, the PS3 has scored higher marks than many of the current standalone players available. Its a format issue, not a ps3 issue...the codex they use on most of the bluray movies is old, they have started to use VC-1 on some bluray, but they still don't look as good as the VC-1 encoded HD-DVD's.....bluray is like VHS, more capacity, but poorer quality than the competing format, just as betamax offered better quality than VHS. It seems that capacity wins out and its too bad...but HD-DVD will soon be able to fit more than bluray so hopefully the capacity issue will me moot.
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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #83 on: January 14, 2007, 01:52:57 PM »

My guess is that the problem is with the movies themselves.  A lot of the movies out there now are created from poor sources resulting in a lot of grain on the HD discs.

Bingo!  Both camps are in such a rush to market that the conversions for alot of these movies are just horrible.

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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #84 on: January 14, 2007, 03:16:45 PM »

My guess is that the problem is with the movies themselves.  A lot of the movies out there now are created from poor sources resulting in a lot of grain on the HD discs.

Bingo!  Both camps are in such a rush to market that the conversions for alot of these movies are just horrible.


big issue with bluray...HD-DVD's are far better for the most part, but they do have a few duds also....so much is in the transfer and how it is done
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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #85 on: January 14, 2007, 03:23:05 PM »

My guess is that the problem is with the movies themselves.  A lot of the movies out there now are created from poor sources resulting in a lot of grain on the HD discs.

Bingo!  Both camps are in such a rush to market that the conversions for alot of these movies are just horrible.


big issue with bluray...HD-DVD's are far better for the most part, but they do have a few duds also....so much is in the transfer and how it is done

I'm a little confused.  Other than poor poor movie transfers how is HD-DVD "better for the most part?'

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I read on /. that the Pr0n industry is getting behing HD-DVD. Sony doesnt want Pr0n on Bly-ray.

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Re: hd-dvd or bluray
« Reply #87 on: January 14, 2007, 03:44:58 PM »

My guess is that the problem is with the movies themselves.  A lot of the movies out there now are created from poor sources resulting in a lot of grain on the HD discs.

Bingo!  Both camps are in such a rush to market that the conversions for alot of these movies are just horrible.


big issue with bluray...HD-DVD's are far better for the most part, but they do have a few duds also....so much is in the transfer and how it is done

I'm a little confused.  Other than poor poor movie transfers how is HD-DVD "better for the most part?'

The interactive extras are (IMO) better than the offerings on BluRay.  Having a second video processor to play multiple streams of video at once (for instance, a video commentary track over a movie) is something BluRay cannot do.  But other than that BluRay has the edge.

I read on /. that the Pr0n industry is getting behing HD-DVD. Sony doesnt want Pr0n on Bly-ray.

That's not entirely true.  Sony wont replicate pornography at their BluRay replication facilities.  However they cannot ban pornography from the format.

The problem is that BluRay replication right now is *VERY* expensive, so only the high end movie studios can afford them.  Sony is the largest replicator of BluRay discs, so if they wont replicate them you'd have a hard time getting your movie on BluRay.  HD-DVD, on the other hand, is quite cheap to make.  Apparently most DVD replication facilities can convert to HD-DVD for very little cost.
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« Reply #88 on: January 14, 2007, 10:03:36 PM »

My guess is that the problem is with the movies themselves.  A lot of the movies out there now are created from poor sources resulting in a lot of grain on the HD discs.

Bingo!  Both camps are in such a rush to market that the conversions for alot of these movies are just horrible.


big issue with bluray...HD-DVD's are far better for the most part, but they do have a few duds also....so much is in the transfer and how it is done

I'm a little confused.  Other than poor poor movie transfers how is HD-DVD "better for the most part?'

As John said better menu's, which sounds like it is not important, but the way HD-DVD is one with the interface is really cool. Video quality is better, and since HD-DVD is backed by the same tech that did DVD you can also get hybrid disks that have the DVD and HD-DVD on one disc. Bluray has one advantage, storage space, but once the new triple layer HD-DVD's come out that can hold 50GB that will be an advantage bluray will not have.
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« Reply #89 on: January 15, 2007, 07:54:21 AM »

My guess is that the problem is with the movies themselves.  A lot of the movies out there now are created from poor sources resulting in a lot of grain on the HD discs.

Bingo!  Both camps are in such a rush to market that the conversions for alot of these movies are just horrible.


big issue with bluray...HD-DVD's are far better for the most part, but they do have a few duds also....so much is in the transfer and how it is done

I'm a little confused.  Other than poor poor movie transfers how is HD-DVD "better for the most part?'

As John said better menu's, which sounds like it is not important, but the way HD-DVD is one with the interface is really cool. Video quality is better, and since HD-DVD is backed by the same tech that did DVD you can also get hybrid disks that have the DVD and HD-DVD on one disc. Bluray has one advantage, storage space, but once the new triple layer HD-DVD's come out that can hold 50GB that will be an advantage bluray will not have.

The problem is the triple layer HD-DVDs probably wont play on current players, and there's no current plans to bring them to the market anyway.  And the HD-DVD/DVD on one disc is just a double sided disc, which BluRay could do as well - they just choose not to.

Technology-wise BluRay is the clear winner, no questions.  But since Sony's backing it I'm rooting for HD-DVD. ;D
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