Topic: SIMA "Jb3 AC/DC adapter"

[momule]

This one will Both charge the Internal batts (as it has a Plug that goes .
(Wall plug>Converter box)
 and it has a Cigg adater(that can plug into the converter box ) to use with Festival Battery Rig.
 (see this post ) http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=36314.msg482271#msg482271

It is straight out of the Box ready to go. it has a 3 prong "adapta" plug so it only plugs in Tip (+) which is what ya need for the Jb3. It's almost fool proof 

I found it via Ebay for about $14 shipped.
It appears others are not having a prob finding it or its " Big brother"  the SIMA 2 which works aswell

Just thought I would pass the info along..


Heres a pic .

edit:::  heres a another pic of it that shows both adapters..
http://www.markertek.com/Product.asp?baseItem=SUP%2D1&cat=POWER&subcat=&prodClass=ACPOWER&mfg=Sima&search=0&off=

[Scooter]

good find!  I use the walmart one, works like a champ

[momule]

ya I use the walmart one for the First Jb3 (40gb) I bought a year ago. . then I bought a used 20Gb off ebay about 6 months ago to run as back up.
 It came with everything (i thought) but after opening it up it was missing the cord that goes from the wall>regulator box) . then I seen Creative put up some more Jb3 a few months ago and was about 6 beers into a Sat afternoon when I decided to purchase another 40gb from them aswell  .
 I thought about selling the 20gb one back on ebay but I think im just gonna hang onto it till later this summer when Im planning on trying the Ipaq setup

When I Went to wallyworld to pick up another regulator box and they were out of stock. So after a few minutes browsing Ebay I found this. tested it last weekend and it was "out of the box" able to charge the Jb3 using the Ac adaptor and able to charge/power the Jb3 in the car (or off SLA) using the dc adaptor.
And the adapta plug is a bit more user friendly as it is a 3 prong fitting and only fits one way so its a bit safer in the dark .
as long as your switch is selecting 5v your ready to roll..

just thought if others were unable to find the wallyworld speacial this is another one that DOES work.. I have used it twice in the field so far.

[Brendan]

wait do you absolutely need this box if your recording with a Jb3?

[timP]

^^^
no, this allows you to run the JB3 of an exterior battery..
they JB3 can be picky about its voltage intake so a box that converts the voltage easily like this seems to is good

this box will be good in an extended recording session like festivals where the internal JB3 batts wouldn't last

[momule]

this allows you to Both charge the batts at your house (if ya dont have the original creative home charger)
Or this will allow you to run/Charge the Jb3 from an external Battery such as a SLA or 9.6volt RC battery.

and the best part of it is its ready to use straight out of the box, No guess work on selecting the polarity of the Jb3..

I only have one battery in one of my Jb3s so I and to come up with an external battery pack for most shows I tape. .
I found this route was much cheaper than Buying a new internal battery for the Jb3 which runs anywhere from $30-$50 , The adapter only runs about $15 ..

[wbaldwin]

+T for the cheap find Momule!

Been putting off working on the external soultion for the 'ol JB3's for a while, and per you suggestion I found this one on e-bay as well, $15 shipped....

Great deal compared to buying something local!

[momule]

here is a link ot the "wally world" version for sale on Ebay.
(this one will only do DC voltage conversion)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60208&item=5760962812&rd=1#ebayphotohosting

here's the newest one I found.   It ends very shortly.
(It will do both AC/DC votage conversion)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50501&item=7501017071&rd=1

[Diamond_D]

ok, new to all this powering stuff so bear with me, but you would use this in the field by plugging the DC (cigarette) adapter into the rat shack adapter attached to an SLA with those quick disconnects, then this converts it to the right voltage? Just trying to put it all together in my head... thanks

[wbaldwin]

Yep, you've got it....

You can also set it up to run off fo RC 9.6 or 7.2 volt batteries, which are bit less bulky than SLA, but I guess it all depends on how much juice you want.

Either way, its a nice, simple solution....

[Scooter]

correct.  It will convert whatever voltage (up to 12v) that you input to it, to whatever voltage you select for output.  So yes your example would work.  SLA>The adapter mentioned above(stepped down voltage)>JB3 or whatever.  You could also use the Walmart 9v batt instead of the SLA as well.

[momule]

ok, new to all this powering stuff so bear with me, but you would use this in the field by plugging the DC (cigarette) adapter into the rat shack adapter attached to an SLA with those quick disconnects, then this converts it to the right voltage? Just trying to put it all together in my head... thanks

No sweat Diamond D , I was a newbie Not too long ago Myself.
 Thats why I wanted to give some other options/pictures to folks that can not find a Walmart version. this New one (the Sima) is also a replacement for your home Jb3 voltage adapter.
 
thats how I run my Jb3's (12v SLA>Adapter>Jb3)
 Im not 100% sure.  But  you should be able to use a Smaller voltage Battery aswell such as a 9.6 volt RC car battery.
 And you dont really have to use the Cigarette adapter , as you could just hack off the cigg adapter and wire it straight to the SLA . But without a Multimeter this could be risky . ANd I like being able to charge the Jb3 in the car.

I would also suggest trying to glue or tape the Voltage switch at 5v so that it does not move on ya while traveling in your bag..

And although The archive suggests not running your Internals while running the adapter , I think thats kinda risky, as if your SLA runs out of juice you loose your recording. 
I have ran my SLA batts out of juice and the Jb3 just thinks its being unplugged from the wall or Cigg adapter and switches to the internal battery allowing you to save your recording.
 SO i would highly suggest running at least one internal batt in the Jb3 as this will allow you 2 hours Extra recording time and safe time to shut the Jb3 down.. Just always remember to charge your Internal Batts before the show , or you can charge them in the car on the way to the show or in between sets at a festival .. Otherwise if the internal Jb3 batts are not charged it will try to charge it, Draining your SLA much quicker..

[Scooter]

 Im not 100% sure.  But  you should be able to use a Smaller voltage Battery aswell such as a 9.6 volt RC car battery.
 

You are correct sir!  I've run mine all the way from 6v to 12v on the input, works fine.

[Burnt]

Just wondering since I can't seem to find any info.  What is the difference between the SUP-1 and the SUP-2?  They both look identical and was wondering if both will work with the JB3 or just the SUP-1.

[momule]

Im not sure ,
 I do find by a quick google that they both provide the correct volatge(5 volt) And I know the SUP-1 provides 1.9Amp ..
Im not sure about the SUP-2. I cant find a Amp spec's for it.. other than it does provide 5 volt's

Sorry I cant be of more help ..
nick

[slightlys]

SO does this little Sima box  have the same kind of female plug on it that the creative powersupply has so you can use the second half of the creative power supply cord right into the JB3??? I realize this is confusing!

[momule]

yes .
And it is three prong instead of two prong like the Adpta plug from Radio shack so you cant put it together wrong   
take it out of the box , find the plug that fits the jb3 , switch it to 5v , and your ready to go.

[slightlys]

so basicallly you could chop off the AC adapter end,(that plugs into the wall of course.) wire a battery connector to the wires set the box to 5V. and kazaam Instant remote power for your JB3?

[momule]

the Sima box includes a Wall adapter that plugs into the Voltage regulator Box and a Cigarette adapter so you can either plug the wall adaptor into the box or the Cigg adaptor use it in the field or at your house if you dont have the original Creative adapter.

[Lester Flatts]

Just wondering since I can't seem to find any info.  What is the difference between the SUP-1 and the SUP-2?  They both look identical and was wondering if both will work with the JB3 or just the SUP-1.

I think the only diff is the SUP-2 has one more adaptatip (7) than the SUP-1 (6.)  I have the SUP-2, and I think that's it.

[Lester Flatts]

so basicallly you could chop off the AC adapter end,(that plugs into the wall of course.) wire a battery connector to the wires set the box to 5V. and kazaam Instant remote power for your JB3?

Don't chop anything!  Just get the Sima box and you're good to go.

[slightlys]

so basicallly you could chop off the AC adapter end,(that plugs into the wall of course.) wire a battery connector to the wires set the box to 5V. and kazaam Instant remote power for your JB3?

Don't chop anything!  Just get the Sima box and you're good to go.

I was thinking to make a remote power source just thinking how to attach a battery the easiest? but I guess if I wire up a 9.6v RC Batt to a female lighter adapter than I can just plug in the  provided cigg plug on the Sima box

[momule]

I was thinking to make a remote power source just thinking how to attach a battery the easiest? but I guess if I wire up a 9.6v RC Batt to a female lighter adapter than I can just plug in the  provided cigg plug on the Sima box

and still be able to charge your Jb3 in the car on the way to the next town 
Or pass it Onto another user if your Gear happens to change .

Happy friday ..
Nick

[hzgone]

Couple questions.  I picked up the sima universal adapter set it for 5v and plugged in my jb3 which i have running through a sla 6v 12ah with a cig adapter on it running through the sima adapter.  Question is my jb3 acts really weird, slow reacting and it will not shut down with the sla plugged in.  Anyone else had this happen.  Another question with the sima set at 5v 1.9ah or 4.2v 2.0ah the jb3 asks for 2.4ah 5v, which do you think is better?

[momule]

Couple questions.  I picked up the sima universal adapter set it for 5v and plugged in my jb3 which i have running through a sla 6v 12ah with a cig adapter on it running through the sima adapter.  Question is my jb3 acts really weird, slow reacting and it will not shut down with the sla plugged in.  Anyone else had this happen.  Another question with the sima set at 5v 1.9ah or 4.2v 2.0ah the jb3 asks for 2.4ah 5v, which do you think is better?

never had any sorta slow reaction or anything out of the ordinary. also run the wallyworld version aswell and it has never given me probs aswell and it runs at 4.5v 2.0ah .. I ran the sima box for testing before I posted witha couple jb3's just to sorta or QC if before posting.. I honestly have had no prob's whatsoever Or I wouldnt have posted anything about it..

a +t , Hope ya get the bug fixed..
Nick

[hzgone]

+T for all the info.  I haven't done any real testing yet i just finished everything up yesterday and was just playing around with it.  I'll test it out and let you know will also post some pictures.

[Burnt]

Couple questions.  I picked up the sima universal adapter set it for 5v and plugged in my jb3 which i have running through a sla 6v 12ah with a cig adapter on it running through the sima adapter.  Question is my jb3 acts really weird, slow reacting and it will not shut down with the sla plugged in.  Anyone else had this happen.  Another question with the sima set at 5v 1.9ah or 4.2v 2.0ah the jb3 asks for 2.4ah 5v, which do you think is better?

You mention you are using a 6v sla, I thought to do what you are doing you need to use a 12v version.  Something about not enough of a voltage difference in a 6v to be able to step down properly to what the JB3 needs.  You should try switching to a 12v that should fix your problems.  I myself use the sima and have had no problems using it with a 9.6v RC battery (with the SUP-1 set at 5v).

[momule]

good call burnt..

I have not tested the sima with 6v. I use only 12v SLA at this point.
I would suggest as they said try using a 7.2v or higher battery and see if it dont fix your prob..

[hzgone]

sounds good thanks for the info.  How much time should i get out of it if i use a 9.6 rc batt

[Brian Skalinder]

How much time should i get out of it if i use a 9.6 rc batt

Depends on the capacity if your battery.  Find out the capacity (noted in AH or mAH) of your battery (it should be clearly labelled), identify the current draw of your gear (if only the JB3, check the FAQ) and then check the Archive | Remote Power forum for how to estimate your run-time.

[T.J.]

okay i've been searching and thinking to find a way to power the jb3 for festivals this year. i am going to try using these adapters w/ a SLA 12v battery. so far i have grabbed the sima adapter and an SLA 12v battery, which i am waiting for in the mail. once they arrive it's off to radio shack hopefully by next week i'll have everything up and running to test thanks for the info and ideas. +t's around.
ps: i did get the SUP-2. i agree, the only difference is a couple of extra adapters.

[jsfrank]

Has anyone used this to be able to use eco-charge 6 volts? Where can I get the cable to go from the eco-charge to this unit?

I bought my JB3 3 months ago on ebay, but it didn't even have an internal battery.

[F.O.Bean]

Couple questions. I picked up the sima universal adapter set it for 5v and plugged in my jb3 which i have running through a sla 6v 12ah with a cig adapter on it running through the sima adapter. Question is my jb3 acts really weird, slow reacting and it will not shut down with the sla plugged in. Anyone else had this happen. Another question with the sima set at 5v 1.9ah or 4.2v 2.0ah the jb3 asks for 2.4ah 5v, which do you think is better?

You mention you are using a 6v sla, I thought to do what you are doing you need to use a 12v version. Something about not enough of a voltage difference in a 6v to be able to step down properly to what the JB3 needs. You should try switching to a 12v that should fix your problems. I myself use the sima and have had no problems using it with a 9.6v RC battery (with the SUP-1 set at 5v).

bingo man!

a standard cig lighter in an automobile is 12v, youre using a 6v sla

[T.J.]

okay i got a real n00b question here: i purchased a Power Sonic SLA 12 volt battery new from ebay. i have yet to get a charger for this battery but plan to bring it to summer camp next week to power just my JB3. from reading a couple other threads around here, i think a fully charged 12 volt SLA battery can provide the JB3 w/ approx. 10-12hrs of run time. can i still expect this type of run time during the batteries first cycle?

[hzgone]

Has anyone used this to be able to use eco-charge 6 volts? Where can I get the cable to go from the eco-charge to this unit?

I bought my JB3 3 months ago on ebay, but it didn't even have an internal battery.

I first tried mine with a 6v and the sima adaptor and my jb3 seems to act really weird, sluggish and doesn't respond well.  I ordered a 12v sla and just waiting for it to get here to test it out

[momule]

Has anyone used this to be able to use eco-charge 6 volts? Where can I get the cable to go from the eco-charge to this unit?

I bought my JB3 3 months ago on ebay, but it didn't even have an internal battery.

it has been posted many times already,  6volt is not enough juice for the converter box to work with use 9volt or higher

Once again I would like to point out to folks if your running and external battery without at least one internal battery In it , YOUR DOING SO AT YOUR OWN RISK
Personally I would call you crazy , cause if your external battery pack dies you just lost your recording/s . Thats why I say your crazy to not run at least one internal battery.  So that if the external dies it will flip over to your internal and allow you keep recording , or shut down the Jb3 safely hence not loosing your recording (the Jb3 simply thinks it has been unplugged from the wall wart or car adapter)

I see folk's post all the time about "dont use the internal while using an external
" BULLSHIT I say"

I have done so for over a year now. If you cant remember to fully charge the internals,  then yes it is going to try to charge the internal JB3 batterys off the external battery , But if your smart enough to charge the internals in the Jb3 , your golden ..

[hzgone]

ok i got my 12v battery today and charged it up.  Hooked up the JB3 with a full battery.  1.  The jb3 worked smooth, no jitter like on the 6v.   2.  No charging of the internal bat.  Can't wait to use this setup at summercamp.  The 12v i got should run the whole weekend with no problem.  Would like to get a smaller 12v for around town but it's going to be sweet for a weekend of music

[momule]

Just to update ,
I have ran the DVD-U2003 (ESA 9volt 5400 Lithium)>Sima1 & wallmart version (powerline model 0900-21) for over 4 hours with no prob's.

Running the AKG483> UA-5 And 2 Jb3's

Nick

[el gato]

Just to update ,
I have ran the DVD-U2003 (ESA 9volt 5400 Lithium)>Sima1 & wallmart version (powerline model 0900-21) for over 4 hours with no prob's.

Running the AKG483> UA-5 And 2 Jb3's

Nick

How did you hook the battery up to the sima? did you use the cig adapter or use an adaptaplug in the back? 

I have a sima sup-2 and when I try the adaptaplug in the back it freezes the battery.  I  then have to reset the battery by plugging it back into the wall.  Just curious as to what the dc input on the sup1 is.  The input on the sup2 is 12-15v dc. 

Do you think using the cig adapter will alleviate this issue?

Thanks

[momule]

How did you hook the battery up to the sima? did you use the cig adapter or use an adaptaplug in the back? 

I have a sima sup-2 and when I try the adaptaplug in the back it freezes the battery.  I  then have to reset the battery by plugging it back into the wall.  Just curious as to what the dc input on the sup1 is.  The input on the sup2 is 12-15v dc. 

Do you think using the cig adapter will alleviate this issue?

Thanks

1: Is your battery fully charged
2: Are you sure you have it wired correctly to the SUP-2
(I have not used the SUP-2 But I know others have)

My battery rig goes like this

again I have 3 jb3s and have NEVER had one lock up on me using this setup , But then again I charge my batterys before trying to run it too .

 I bought a Coiled adapta-plug lead Similar to this one , (mine is coiled however)
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F009%5F001%5F001%5F004&product%5Fid=273%2D1641
I then hacked off the male end (the one with points) It then terminates into a Couple of RC connectorson that end . the other end (female end) has a "B" adapta-plug on it that Plugs into the front of the Lithium battery)   this is simply the lead plug if ya will.

I then took this,
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F009%5F001%5F002%5F006&product%5Fid=270%2D1527
 and hacked off the Clips and wired on an RC connector

Then I use the Cigarette plug On either the Sima or Initial ( I wanted to be able to still charge my JB3 in the car If I wanted, so I didnt hack mine off.)
 
I also picked up one of these http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F009%5F001%5F002%5F002&product%5Fid=270%2D1535
which allows me to run both The Initial and sima boxes at the same time powering TWO jb3's , and  no hacking needed. Just plug it in if ya wanna run 2 Jb3s instead of one.  (The Lithium has powered my rig for 4 hours running this setup. And the SLA Much longer)

the other Plug from the battery Lead goes straight to the UA-5 (using a "m" adapta-plug) . With a 3amp fuse in line of course 

Hope this explains it a bit more in detail.
Nick

[el gato]

That answered my question, thanks

DOH!!!!  I just figured out what I did wrong.  I used my spare UA5 batt cable and forgot that I have the polarity reversed.  I switched the tip and it worked.

Thanks again

[willndmb]

i am new and confussed here
so this "charger/battery" does it have a battery built into it?
or do you put a battery into it and it charges/converts the power for you?

i am looking for a JB3 power supply thats going to work good and hopfully be cheaper then a 2nd battery, let me have less heat in the JB3 itself

edit ok i figured out you still need a battery for this one
but the powerline i am unsure on
if anyolne can link me to a battery that goes along with this power convertor that would be good, they didn't have anything at my walmart and the girl working didn't know if they ever did/do

[hzgone]

I think i understand your question.  The other battery you are looking for is a 12v sla.  Then you connect that to the sima box and the sima to your jb3.  The sima converts the sla to work with the jb3.

[willndmb]

I think i understand your question.  The other battery you are looking for is a 12v sla.  Then you connect that to the sima box and the sima to your jb3.  The sima converts the sla to work with the jb3.

thanks
whats sla stand for? EDIT Sealed Lead Acid

and if you know about the power runneris that the same as the sima?
you connect the 12vsla and the jb3?
my understanding is that the power runner has a battery built in--if thats the case it seems like a better idea then having a batter run into the sima, correct???

[Morphius]

Why do some people say to not run an internal battery on the jb3 while providing external power?  The only possible reason I can come up with would be a possibility of overheating if your "homebrew" battery isn't up to snuff.

[F.O.Bean]

because if the jb3 battery isnt fully charged, when external power is being applied, the jb3 internal will try charging itself while recording, which is bsically just putting extra stress on the jb3 that isnt needed!

[Morphius]

But isn't that better than standing the chance of losing the whole recording session?

And what sort of "stress" are we talking about?  Blowing a fuse?  Causing pops or clicks in the recording?

[Ray76]

I think i understand your question.  The other battery you are looking for is a 12v sla.  Then you connect that to the sima box and the sima to your jb3.  The sima converts the sla to work with the jb3.

hz, check your email guy.

[momule]

But isn't that better than standing the chance of losing the whole recording session?

And what sort of "stress" are we talking about?  Blowing a fuse?  Causing pops or clicks in the recording?

Ahh,  so someone has bee been reading .. +T
Yes if you dont have a Internal Battery In the Jb3 and your external battery source Dies . YOU WILL loose your recording.

Best advice is to just make sure you charge your Jb3 before the show. If your running the Sima or walmart power converter you could even "Top Off" the Jb3's internall batts on the way to the show in your car.. (if ya forgot to charge them at home)

[terrapinj]

just wanted to say thanks for pointing this out as an option - picked up a SIMA SUP-2 off of eBay a few months ago - I love that thing - works perfect for external power in the field and allows me to charge my batts in the car.

+T

[willndmb]

SUP-60
anyone know about this?
its what they had at cc

also doea anyone know what the input is on the sup-1/2?? the 60 said 12-15v, so not sure if it would work with a 9v
and
does anyone know the size of the tip needed to go from the battery cable to the sima
and/or sima to jb3

[willndmb]

hmm the 60 is only ac power, no dc
otherwise seems to be the same as sup2

which seems odd because the 60 at cc said ac/dc, but on simas page it just says ac

[slightlys]

so do you have to power the sima box with a 12v SLA current or could you us a 9.6v rc batt???

[johnw]

I believe any battery other than a 6V will work. If anyone wants to buy one locally, the Meijer here carries the SUP-1 for $35 in the camera/film department, so your local Meijer may have them also.

[el gato]

SUP-60
anyone know about this?
its what they had at cc

also doea anyone know what the input is on the sup-1/2?? the 60 said 12-15v, so not sure if it would work with a 9v
and
does anyone know the size of the tip needed to go from the battery cable to the sima
and/or sima to jb3

Wal-Mart batt will work and I believe the M sized adaptaplug will fit (sorry not sure what size plug)