Topic: Got my soundpro at853 modded mics, now i need a preamp!

[George]

Schweet!  Thanks for the info guys!  

Lee, thanks for the clarification, now i finally understand how an outboard adc works with a dat, like the M1.  +T's all around (and one round of drinks is one me!)  

[Sean Gallemore]

one, I don't know of any preamps that provide power and utilize a mini-xlr connection.

two,  even if such a thing existed, you couldn't use it because you still need those adapters to keep the preamp from frying the mics.

three, get you fucking mics and caps back, that's screwy!

[save]

here's a mp2 for sale:

http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=793&mesg_id=793&page=

[Sean Gallemore]

$500 BWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!1!1!!!!!!!!11!!11

[George]

Damnit, it appears that many peole who own preamps that you guys suggest ask for some insane price, lol.  Although, a ts member did get me in contact with someone selling a MV100 for $275 and i'm waiting back from the seller to purchase it.  

Sucks that their isn't any way possible to run these mics with a preamp that supports mini-XLR...

and yeah, i sures hell will get my hyper cards back, i'm a little ticked that they did a full swap without checking with me first.  I sent them an email Friday night, i'll keep ya posted on what i hear back from soundpro on Monday, i'm sure they'll rectify the problem, they seem to have first-rate customer support (at least based on how quick they have responded to all my email inquiries re: modding my at853's).

[save]

i have a feeling he'll come down in price on the mp2.  since they've been selling for $375-400 lately.  i'd email him and let him know the price of recent mp2's and see if u can get him down.  i paid $500 for mine a little over a year ago and that was a good price back then....crazy how fast prices drop!

[George]

Due to your avatar, i took your advice and emailed him  

+t mate  

[peterbilt]

Ok, I have a few questions.
I understand the whole modding of the sp cmc4's to have xlr ends. But to run a phantom device such as the PS2, I would have to also add into the line two of these samsung adapters? So the end result woul;d be SP cmc4>samsung adapter>PS2>AD20??? Would this be correct?


Can anyone recommend (through personal experience) any smaller phantom devices than the PS2?

I am asking because the last time I ran these mics it was run as
CMC4's>Batt(bass rolloff) box>Ad20>D8   I didn't use the rolloff at all, just as a power supply because i read somewhere that using this device will allow for running in higher SPL situations than without. The show that I taped was a REALLY loud metal show, and while the majority of it came out really really nice, there are points of saturation where I believe MR. Soundguy was tweaking knobs in the bottom end.
The gain on the AD20 was set all the way down and my levels on the D8 were peaking and after looking at the wav's in SF 4.5 there was definite clipping.

i don't like the idea of rolling off the bass, because it is such a vital part of most of the bands I tape, and while it sounds super hot live it has saturated the mics in the past.

Do I run it as is and play with the rolloff? Silly question really cuz I am going to play with it. But would the potential 13 db gain for higher SPL situations be worth it? The tape sounds as if I had just a weee bit more room in the mics there wouldn't have been any clipping, so I'm thinking that if I mod my mics and go with the phantom power I'll be able to pull that bowel rattling bass response that is readilly apparent through most of this tape in question.

Any thoughts?

[mattb]

Ok, I have a few questions.
I understand the whole modding of the sp cmc4's to have xlr ends. But to run a phantom device such as the PS2, I would have to also add into the line two of these samsung adapters? So the end result woul;d be SP cmc4>samsung adapter>PS2>AD20??? Would this be correct?


Can anyone recommend (through personal experience) any smaller phantom devices than the PS2?

I am asking because the last time I ran these mics it was run as
CMC4's>Batt(bass rolloff) box>Ad20>D8   I didn't use the rolloff at all, just as a power supply because i read somewhere that using this device will allow for running in higher SPL situations than without. The show that I taped was a REALLY loud metal show, and while the majority of it came out really really nice, there are points of saturation where I believe MR. Soundguy was tweaking knobs in the bottom end.
The gain on the AD20 was set all the way down and my levels on the D8 were peaking and after looking at the wav's in SF 4.5 there was definite clipping.

i don't like the idea of rolling off the bass, because it is such a vital part of most of the bands I tape, and while it sounds super hot live it has saturated the mics in the past.

Do I run it as is and play with the rolloff? Silly question really cuz I am going to play with it. But would the potential 13 db gain for higher SPL situations be worth it? The tape sounds as if I had just a weee bit more room in the mics there wouldn't have been any clipping, so I'm thinking that if I mod my mics and go with the phantom power I'll be able to pull that bowel rattling bass response that is readilly apparent through most of this tape in question.

Any thoughts?

AFIK the PS-2 is about as small as it gets for stereo phantom boxes. It's a good reliable unit though. Lightweight and has a belt clip too.

I've hit the same high level issue you have with my 933s > SP BB > AD-20. My battery box has adjustable gain, so I put the gain sliders at about 1/3 and that gave me more room with the AD-20 gain to make adjustments. But if you don't have a BB with adjustable gain then you don't have that option.
Also, I don't think the bass roll off does anything unless you are connected to a mic in. Now I'm not sure what happens for roll off with the AD-20 in the mix. But what you describe sounds more like clipping due to high spl rather than too much bass anyway. An attenuator cable between the BB and AD-20 might do the trick too.

Matt (recently ordered the parts to do this to my AT933s too!)

[Chanher]

the mic2496 from www.core-sound.com is a mic pre with mini-xlr inputs and 24/96 AD capabilities. little pricey, I wanna hear that sample in the ask the tapers forum...

[George]

the mic2496 from www.core-sound.com is a mic pre with mini-xlr inputs and 24/96 AD capabilities. little pricey, I wanna hear that sample in the ask the tapers forum...

Oh wow...well shit, i'm curious too now.  I just bought a MV-100 but i'm always interested in some new
gadgetry.  Anyone try this puppy yet?

[Sean Gallemore]

come on, I know someone wants to participate in len-bashing

[George]

quick update, i was contacted by soundpro and they offered to sell me the at943's for $239 and upgrade my at853's to mini xlr for free.  So i guess this is working out aight, it'll be cool to have two mics, so i can use the at853's and the at943's, was thinking of keeping my at853's terminated to the miniplug but after my Neil Young fiasco, i think i'll let them upgrade them.

[Sean Gallemore]

why do you want 2 pair?

[George]

Why not?  

Seriously, the at943's are locked cards, so changing the elements is out of the question.  The at853's have three pairs of elements.  Its mostly to fudge around with both mics for and literally have a backup pair in case one of them go on the fritz.