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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2013, 09:57:39 PM »
I am very interested in hearing that with some schoeps
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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2013, 02:42:07 PM »
Jim, anything to say about the femto with schoeps?
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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2013, 12:20:37 PM »
Jim, anything to say about the femto with schoeps?

Ok guys I've had a chance to play with this pre for a couple shows now and here's my thoughts.
First show I taped was a wash....it was also the first time using a edirol r44 and the recording occasionally overloaded(had the smooth dials on the recorder set well below 12). Otherwise the recording was fine but I won't distribute it for that reason.
Second time was for Wsp in NYC. Ran two rigs on the same stand about 30-40ft from stage 9ft high DFC.
Dpa4021(ortf)> sonosax sxm2> r44(ch1+2)
Schoeps mk4(ortf)> kc5> cmc5> audioroot femto(l)> r44(ch3+4)

First observation is that the femto had a hotter output. I always run my sonosax set to "lo" which is supposed to have a +6db-40db gain range. Treys femto is the "L" version which is also supposed to have a minimum +6db minimum gain.  The sonosax dials were just below 12 and the femtos were at 9. The peaks were identical on the recorder. Could this be because of the different mics? Both preamps have similar gain range but 12/9 is a big difference...no?
Hard to compare the two recording since different mics were used but overall I prefer the schoeps>femto. Both sound good but the schoeps>femto has a nice balance of high and lows where the dpa sounds flat in comparison. The schoeps>femto is brighter and just better balanced. I'm liking what I hear from the femto. The bass is nice and smooth yet punchy. Sounds very similar to the eaa psp2 I owned years ago.
The build quality is excellent. All metal powder coated case similar to the sound devices preamps. The multicolor LCD is nice as it gives you battery level displayed in volts, and also shows your input levels. You should get just over 6hrs on standard alkaline 9vlts. You can run an external 12-18v battery as well.
My only gripe is the inputs/outputs are on the bottom on the pre which makes it hard to run in a bag without putting unwanted pressure on your cables. Wish it was setup more like a sonosax where the batteries insert on the bottom and input/outputs on the sides. I'd also be willing to give up the 12-18v battery option and have a unbalanced 1/8in output in its place. When talking to audioroot the designer said simply no room for a mini output:-(
This box belongs to trey and will be going back to him shortly.
I like it enough I ordered one for myself and will have it in a few weeks.
Thanks to trey for letting me take a test drive before I decided to purchase.

Regards,
Jim




« Last Edit: November 27, 2013, 02:05:34 PM by jhfinn »
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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2013, 04:23:20 PM »
Nice feedback...especially the part about how it sounds like a PSP2.  If you still say that after using it 10 or 15 times, that will be quite an endorsement.  I've listened to your Panic recording quite a bit now.  It's only one data point and unfortunately, with the venue being MSG, makes it kinda difficult to make any detailed conclusions.  But even with that, you can hear that this preamp has got some mojo living inside of it.  I'm looking forward to hearing more of it, especially something up close in a small club with good direct sound.  Your sample really makes me want to hear what the Upre sounds like. 

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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2013, 06:46:14 PM »
Thanks Jim. Anyone else want to borrow?
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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2013, 07:48:41 PM »
Thanks Jim. Anyone else want to borrow?

I'd like to audition this but not the best time for me. Details in a PM, so if anyone else is interested don't hesitate on my account.

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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2013, 11:09:45 PM »
I, too, would LOVE to try it Trey! but I have no clue when my next show will be :( Ill send you a txt when I find out tho ;)
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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2013, 10:57:01 PM »
Trey, just wondering, did you order the minimum gain version at +6db, or the stock version at +16db ???

I would think that if stock, +16db is a good amount of minimum gain IMO, and could lead to clipping at very loud shows. I know the m148 is +20db, and the v2/v3 are at +10db at minimum gain, but I was just curious!

WHEN I do order one of these, I'm going to be sure to get the +6db minimum gain Femto ;D 8)

And the uPre has Input Transformers, for some really clean gain, but probably best at micing acoustic stuff ;)
Schoeps MK4's & MK41's ->
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Sony MDR-7506 Cans & SA-VA15 Speakers | Monster iSport Victory Earbuds

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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2013, 10:16:56 AM »
I have the low gain version.
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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2013, 03:41:11 PM »
I have the low gain version.

That's awesome!I f I record anytime soon, I'll hit you up. If I go with tonedeaf, we could do some nice comps!I. Could do mk41>KCY>LB and mk4>KCY>pfa>femto and he runs mk241>LB and/or m934b>VMS 8)
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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2013, 02:15:31 PM »
I enquired about the uPRE which seemed to meet my needs better. Apparently it is discontinued. They have a new version coming out early 2014 with digi out to coax in - might suit perfectly. Price will be circa 900 EUR unfortunately.

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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2014, 05:37:59 PM »
Picture of the loaned Femto and a brief (uneducated) first impression of it.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=166016.0

Really dug my experience with it.  I would agree with Jim though, the ins/outs on the bottom are a bit annoying.  Right angle stubby XLRs would work just fine though.

I will say I did not ask to use it so apologize for that.  Also, forgot to ask whose this even was, but Trey if it was yours: Thanks for lending it out!  It does seem like a very nice little pre. 


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Edit: Now with source!  https://archive.org/details/RRE2013-12-31.CK63.Femto.flac16
« Last Edit: January 01, 2014, 10:51:56 PM by achalsey »

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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2014, 12:24:37 PM »
Thanks Jim. Anyone else want to borrow?

I'd be up for trying out out if it's available.  I'm 99.9% most likely planning to tape Rusted Root later this month (01/17) and would be curious to run it w/ my rig. 

Shoot me a PM and let me know if it may be available.

Thanks, Trey!

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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2014, 02:08:45 PM »
Just a heads up for those interested in his pre....it has a balanced out only via xlr(5)> 2x xlr(3). I tried patching a sony m10 and sony d50 out of this box and it was too hot of a signal for both decks. I've used it with a dr680 and a r44 with no problem. Both trey and myself have the femto(L) which is the lower gain version. I asked audioroot to engrave my pre with "6db" on the back so if I ever sell it in the future the new owner will know which version it is....audioroot had no problem with my special request and didn't charge extra for the engraving which was really cool.
Regards,
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Thanks Jim. Anyone else want to borrow?

I'd be up for trying out out if it's available.  I'm 99.9% most likely planning to tape Rusted Root later this month (01/17) and would be curious to run it w/ my rig. 

Shoot me a PM and let me know if it may be available.

Thanks, Trey!

Bryan
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Re: Audioroot femto + Upre
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2014, 06:47:01 PM »
Just a heads up for those interested in his pre....it has a balanced out only via xlr(5)> 2x xlr(3). I tried patching a sony m10 and sony d50 out of this box and it was too hot of a signal for both decks. I've used it with a dr680 and a r44 with no problem. Both trey and myself have the femto(L) which is the lower gain version. I asked audioroot to engrave my pre with "6db" on the back so if I ever sell it in the future the new owner will know which version it is....audioroot had no problem with my special request and didn't charge extra for the engraving which was really cool.
Regards,
Jim
Thanks Jim. Anyone else want to borrow?

I'd be up for trying out out if it's available.  I'm 99.9% most likely planning to tape Rusted Root later this month (01/17) and would be curious to run it w/ my rig. 

Shoot me a PM and let me know if it may be available.

Thanks, Trey!

Bryan

You tried running an XLR>1/8" cable into an m10? That's a HUGE bummer it's too hot for the m10 as that's what recorder I planned on using with mine when I get mine :(
Schoeps MK4's & MK41's ->
Schoeps | NBob 250/05 KCY's ->
Schoeps VMS02IB | Naiant +60v PFA's ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's ->
Tascam DR-70D's ->
128gb & 64gb SanDisk Extreme Pro SD Cards

FiiO E10K DAC/HP Amp & E11K HP Amp ->
Sony MDR-7506 Cans & SA-VA15 Speakers | Monster iSport Victory Earbuds

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