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Offline Jerseyguy57

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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2016, 10:51:33 PM »
I'd second the SP-CMC-4U/AT853 recommendation, and the Church Audio CA-11/CA-14s are good as well, though see the long thread here about Church's fulfillment issues.

One decision you're going to need to make is cardioids vs. omnis. Cards are more directional and pick up less crowd noise and room echo; omnis provide a better sense of space but the music may seem more distant, depending on the venue.

I see sound professionals sells a variety of BB. Any certain one ? I assume one with bass roll off.

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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2016, 10:38:45 AM »
Not resistant, just don't want to carry a lot of gear and have my pockets bulging like a chipmunks cheeks.

This small enough?  http://www.church-audio.com/viewitem.php?productid=18
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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2016, 11:19:14 AM »
Lol that is small. I've been researching BB's, they are quite small. Is bass roll off a necessity? I've been to a few shows recently where the bass was a little heavy in the mix.

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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2016, 11:46:50 AM »
You will get mixed answers on your last question.  My batt boxes have no rolloff - I do any sound editing/equalization after the show at the same time I adjust levels, trim the file, etc.
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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2016, 01:24:11 PM »
I would guess then you could make adjustments on the Sony M10 then.

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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2016, 02:08:03 PM »
I would guess then you could make adjustments on the Sony M10 then.

I've never had an issue with bass that I couldn't fix in post. I do record electronic bands on occasion too.

Pros of fixing in post is you can play with the mix until you like what you have. With any sort of bass roll off, that bass is GONE FOREVER. You could BOOST in post, but it's always better to take away than add.
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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2016, 02:42:00 PM »
Thanks for the ips. I'm more than likely going to pick up a Sony M10. Mic advice besides the above? I go mostly to jazz, blues and some rock in small theaters.

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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2016, 04:03:38 PM »
Lol that is small. I've been researching BB's, they are quite small. Is bass roll off a necessity? I've been to a few shows recently where the bass was a little heavy in the mix.

With SP mics or really anything of tiny size you do not need the bass roll off in the battery box (at all) and will probably not need to deal with that much if at all in your editing process (post).  DPA's are really the only small mic that has a lot of bass (or start to get muddy) but those way out of your price range and likely require a pre-amp rather than simple bb. 

As mentioned above a little eq or filter or whatever adjustment later when you can hear the effect is a more reliable approach than leaving something behind when you can't hear the effect.  The SP's and most other small mics tend to lean bright sounding so bass is not an issue.  They filter that on their own.  I use SP CMC-25's if I have to for a specific gig so I'm not complaining, just observing... 
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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2016, 10:37:19 PM »
I agree with needing a battery box and also agree at853 are good starter mics that can cover different situations.
What I also feel is needed, based on the fact that his gear is recommended in the thread, is fair warning on church audio and his shipping issues. Yes he makes cheap quality gear bit research the potential wait times before jumping in on them.
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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2016, 07:53:08 AM »
Thanks all for the info. Lot to think about before buying. I think the Sony M10 is the recorder I want. Church lists 3-4 weeks for mics. I do like their option for the 11's inside the croakie. Very stealthy to me.

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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2016, 08:16:51 AM »
Thanks all for the info. Lot to think about before buying. I think the Sony M10 is the recorder I want. Church lists 3-4 weeks for mics. I do like their option for the 11's inside the croakie. Very stealthy to me.

I would expect triple that lead time at a minimum. Church has had issues with this for quite some time.
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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2016, 11:50:34 AM »
Thanks all for the info. Lot to think about before buying. I think the Sony M10 is the recorder I want. Church lists 3-4 weeks for mics. I do like their option for the 11's inside the croakie. Very stealthy to me.

IMO the SP CMC 8 inside the croakie are a lot smaller, in addition I would buy them with the 4.7 mod, or even better buy those used,

I bought a used white pair with the mod from darktrain a while ago and use a black croakie anda church BB7clip....not much to carry....
I know what I am talking about since also owned a pair C11 with the Church croakie

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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2016, 03:18:41 PM »
4.7 mod?

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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2016, 04:42:29 PM »
The 4.7 mod adds a 4.7K resistor between two of the leads to lower the sensitivity of the mic making it usable for louder sources.

You can put the resistor in the connector or at the mic capsule. SP offers it as an option on most of their miniature mics. I think they call it the Low Sens mod. A few people here on the forum used to do it as an aftermarket modification.
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Re: Looking To Buy a Setup
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2016, 08:17:05 PM »
Thanks for the info. Time to go shopping.  ;D

 

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