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R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« on: December 19, 2012, 09:01:11 AM »
Hi!

My R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky. Probably, rubber particles are starting to dissolve. Is there any way of stopping dissolution, or to recover from this situation?

Thanks.
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 09:09:59 AM »
Have your ever read the book or watched the movie The Andromeda Strain? ;)

That material probably has a plasticizer in it.  It can react if in contact with certain other plastics, or fluids.  You often see it with old toys.  Maybe the formulation was off, bad batch.  Yours is the first report of this I've seen posted to TS.

Is the entire rubber surface reacting the same way, or just spots?

Maybe edirol will send you a replacement.  It seems like something they should replace for free, even out of warranty.

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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 03:18:55 PM »
Have your ever read the book or watched the movie The Andromeda Strain? ;)
No, unfortunately no. :-)

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That material probably has a plasticizer in it.  It can react if in contact with certain other plastics, or fluids.  You often see it with old toys.  Maybe the formulation was off, bad batch.  Yours is the first report of this I've seen posted to TS.
I'm surprised.

That's the 2nd device to suffer from this problem. The first one was a joystick (or a game controller). It seems to me that this is a "feature" of this kind of material.
I used my recorder intensively for about 2 years, recording from 2 to 3 shows per month. Unfortunatelly I stopped to record at this rate, recording only 1 or 2 shows per year. I guess that this kind of material doesn't like to be kept on lockers.


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Is the entire rubber surface reacting the same way, or just spots?
The entire rubber is compromised.

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Maybe edirol will send you a replacement.  It seems like something they should replace for free, even out of warranty.
That's a possibility, but I would like to try something before. Any clues?


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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 03:30:04 PM »
I dislike devices with rubberized surfaces because this seems to be the eventual fate of them all.  In the past with similar items I have sucessfully rubbed off all the sticky rubber residue with elbow grease, leaving only the hard plastic surface, but that can be a pain.  I've used a solvent soaked rag to help remove it as well, trying to remember what, nothing strong enough to soften the hard plastic underneath, probably denatured alcohol.  That was easier and completely removed the sticky gunk.
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 03:49:44 PM »
Sweat, salts and oils can break down rubber, often like this.  I don't know if your recorder was exposed to sweaty hands. Though dry hands that were previously sweaty might even do it.  Just a possibility.

Anything you do might compromise getting help from edirol.  I would consider covering it with gaffer tape. I put pieces of it on some of my gear to make it easier to grip. A skin style cover might also be a work-around.

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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2012, 08:10:58 PM »
Could be your environment - Do you live close to the ocean?  Do you live close to any manufacturing plants?
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 08:38:46 PM »
The actual cause is unimportant.  A handheld recorder should be able to withstand being handheld in a sweaty hand, and exposure to normal atmospheric conditions that humans live in. The exterior surface should not be expected to be the weakest link upon exposure to normal humidity, sweat, air, etc. in the environments we live and work in.

Hey industrial designers! Stop using this crappy rubber coating stuff! Your valuation of immediate hands-on tactile feel over function and is at best short-sighted for your product's longevity, and at worst planned obsolesence. 

The two original R-09s with no rubber coating that I bought 6 years ago are still looking good and working fine(the input jacks on the early ones were weak, but the battery door which worried everyone far more at first never broke on any of them that I've heard about).  The little Turtle Beach Audio Advantage USB soundcard I bought at the same time had it's tactile rubber coating go horribly sticky over the entire surface in 3 years.  It was in an airconditioned house, hardly ever handled.  I speculate normal quanities of ozone in the air attacks the rubber, just like old car tires.

I never upgraded my R-09s to the HR version, and the rubber coating on them bothered me from the start.  I knew it would only be time before it went sticky.

Designers, please.  Don't use it on anything that isn't disposable!!
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 08:40:23 PM »
Maybe something like http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/TECHSPRAY-1612-2SQ-/20-1890 .



Maybe, but I would like to be sure that this won't damage my device even more...


Thanks, anyway.
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 08:46:20 PM »
Could be your environment - Do you live close to the ocean?  Do you live close to any manufacturing plants?


No. I live in Brazil, in a residential area, far away from the ocean, protected by mountains (sort of), and about 750m of altitude :-)
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2012, 08:52:24 PM »
BTW, it was that Turtle Beach USB dongle I cleaned the goo off with by using alcohol (I'm pretty sure). I didn't care if it killed that and was going to toss it if it didn't work, but it cleaned up perfectly to a clean hard black plastic surface better than the original uncompromized rubber coating and didn't even mess up the printed labeling.  Still have it.  It had gone totally sticky though, and would scrape off easily with a fingernail, so maybe that was a more advanced case of rubbercoating-gone-goo than the condition of your R09HR.  If Roland is no help in reparing it, find something else rubberized that has gone sticky and try it there first.

I will note that when I sent back my 1st R-09 with a broken input jack, Edirol repaired it out of warranty at no charge and also replaced the case at the same time which had been slightly scratched up.  Hopefully they will take care of you.
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2012, 05:17:07 AM »
Maybe something like http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/TECHSPRAY-1612-2SQ-/20-1890 .
Maybe, but I would like to be sure that this won't damage my device even more...


Thanks, anyway.

You can use masking tape to protect the rest of the recorder (aka only leave un-taped the damaged rubber parts) and then apply the spray. What do you think?

And Edirol/Roland has a great after-sale service as Gutbucket suggests, maybe they can replace the rubber parts or the whole case if you email them and ask for a solution. I had a complete repair (out of guarantee period) of a keyboard some months back for free. They acknowledged the device's strange behaviour was their fault and assumed all the repair fees (including shipping back and forth).
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2012, 06:54:09 AM »
I just sent an email to Roland Brasil.


Let's see what they say.


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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2012, 08:48:09 PM »
The entire rubber is compromised.

Man i have had that problem twice..... one is 20 the other is now 18...  ;D
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Re: R09HR's rubber finish is becoming sticky
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2012, 08:51:15 PM »
The entire rubber is compromised.

Man i have had that problem twice..... one is 20 the other is now 18...  ;D


LOL  :facepalm:
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